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21 Feb 2013 01:02

Bavarianrider wrote:There are generaly only a few types of climbs. (Exluding classic type hills)

Very long with modest gradients: ca 17km + with average gradient below 7,5%
Long with medium gradients: ca 12km + with up to 8,5 average gardients
Long and stee:. ca 6km + with more then 8,% average gradient
Short and steep. ca 6km max with more then 8,5% avarage.
Medium long with medium gradients: ca 7-15km with 5-7,5% gardients
Short with medium gradients: ca 7km max with 7,5gradient max
Short with ow gradients: ca 7km max wit 5% gardient max.

to have a 7,5% average over 17 km you have to have a number of pretty nasty percentage along the route. Take a climb like Tourmalet for example you will find several sections at list 1 KM long at 9.5 or 10 % grade. Those sections allows the true climbers to make a difference with the big guy who plug along on the strength of their big legs.
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21 Feb 2013 01:09

Dedelou wrote:to have a 7,5% average over 17 km you have to have a number of pretty nasty percentage along the route. Take a climb like Tourmalet for example you will find several sections at list 1 KM long at 9.5 or 10 % grade. Those sections allows the true climbers to make a difference with the big guy who plug along on the strength of their big legs.


Finestre on the other hand which is about the same length actually is just 1 constant gradient throughout. The gradient stays within a point of the 9.2 average for pretty much the whole climb.
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21 Feb 2013 08:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edqy2nfenPU&feature=youtu.be

Not really digging the trailer. The one of the giro was 10 times more awesome.
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21 Feb 2013 08:17

Miburo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edqy2nfenPU&feature=youtu.be

Not really digging the trailer. The one of the giro was 10 times more awesome.


I like it, voiceover a bit OTT but clearly better than using Evans squeaky sound bites.
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21 Feb 2013 09:01

http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).
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21 Feb 2013 09:10

JRanton wrote:http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).


well, sounds like the script is pretty clear: Froome will have to drop Contador on the climbs to win the race.
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21 Feb 2013 09:14

Dazed and Confused wrote:well, sounds like the script is pretty clear: Froome will have to drop Contador on the climbs to win the race.


Or win time in the tt
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21 Feb 2013 09:17

JRanton wrote:http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).


I am happy, finally a good ttt team for Alberto and he might even be able to get an advantage on some other favorites
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21 Feb 2013 09:19

LaFlorecita wrote:Or win time in the tt


It would be stupid to bank on a 9km TT against Contador who wants revenge from Oman.
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21 Feb 2013 09:25

Dazed and Confused wrote:It would be stupid to bank on a 9km TT against Contador who wants revenge from Oman.


Yup. He'll use the Colombians to try and set something up on Di Tivo.
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21 Feb 2013 09:41

JRanton wrote:Yup. He'll use the Colombians to try and set something up on Di Tivo.


Likely race winner will take that stage. But then again a true champion could set in a brave attack on stage 5 on Passo L and use the descend for a 15-20s gap (+ bonus secs) win. Paging Nibali with some friends.
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21 Feb 2013 09:51

Dazed and Confused wrote:Likely race winner will take that stage. But then again a true champion could set in a brave attack on stage 5 on Passo L and use the descend for a 15-20s gap (+ bonus secs) win. Paging Nibali with some friends.


I am sure Alberto will attack on Lanciano if he's still not in the lead though you could doubt if that would be the smartest thing to do since he is one of the more explosive guys.
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21 Feb 2013 10:04

LaFlorecita wrote:I am sure Alberto will attack on Lanciano if he's still not in the lead though you could doubt if that would be the smartest thing to do since he is one of the more explosive guys.


If Contador is behind and waits for Chieti on stage 5, he will likely be beaten by J-Rod and perhaps Evans and hence losing out on critical bonus secs. Gaps will be minimal too. Parcours looks very fine indeed, but now the riders must deliver the show.
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21 Feb 2013 10:08

JRanton wrote:http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).


9 km isn't it?

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but I would still go with Saxo - Rogers switching to Saxo will have a huge impact on the Tour and any other Froome vs Contador stage races this year IMO
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21 Feb 2013 10:48

JRanton wrote:http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html

Just looking at the provisional starters for Paris-Nice it looks like Saxo will have a stronger TTT at Tirreno than Sky. Contador will have Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and 4 others whilst Froome will just have Cataldo plus a bunch of non-specialists (Uran, Henao, Knees, Kennaugh, Dombrowski +1 other).

You would be surprised as to how much a well drilled squad matters when racing a TTT. Rather than the actual squad. See BMC in the 2011 Tour. Of course the talent of the squad matters but not as much as you would think. Froome, Knees, Kennaugh and Cataldo is good enough to be a match for Rogers, Boaro, Bennati and Contador. Saxo probably just eek it out, but if that was all there was to TTT then it would be a boring affair.
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21 Feb 2013 10:52

Mick getting all the recognition he richly deserves.
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21 Feb 2013 10:55

Zam_Olyas wrote:Mick getting all the recognition he richly deserves.


he will scale back, perhaps only efficient at the tour. We shall see.
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21 Feb 2013 10:57

Dazed and Confused wrote:he will scale back, perhaps only efficient at the tour. We shall see.


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21 Feb 2013 11:40

Winterfold wrote:9 km isn't it?

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but I would still go with Saxo - Rogers switching to Saxo will have a huge impact on the Tour and any other Froome vs Contador stage races this year IMO


17K I think.
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21 Feb 2013 12:08

del1962 wrote:17K I think.


Precisely 16.9km.
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