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2013 Tour of Qatar (3rd-8th February), 2.HC

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08 Feb 2013 13:17

BlenJones2 wrote:Has he ever had it in true flat sprints against top tier sprinters?


Tirreno Adriatico last year. Obviously he hasn't been able to win sprints regularly but I don't think he can do it at all now, he has lost a of of pace over the last few months.
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08 Feb 2013 13:18

It would be more likely that EBH would be leaving Sky to get more opportunities to win for himself.
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08 Feb 2013 13:24

Bernie's eyesore wrote:Tirreno Adriatico last year. Obviously he hasn't been able to win sprints regularly but I don't think he can do it at all now, he has lost a of of pace over the last few months.

Calm down, we're still in February. It's just two weeks since he was 3rd on the final, completely flat stage of TDU. And in Qatar he has sprinted for himself two times...also, the sprints in Qatar are 90% about positioning.

But if we are making conclusions like this in February, we can also conclude that Cancellara can't even follow the peloton on the flat anymore. He has clearly lost it. Might as well retire already!
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08 Feb 2013 13:38

Much lol on the Carlton Kirby interview comment.
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08 Feb 2013 13:41

maltiv wrote:Calm down, we're still in February. It's just two weeks since he was 3rd on the final, completely flat stage of TDU. And in Qatar he has sprinted for himself two times...also, the sprints in Qatar are 90% about positioning.

But if we are making conclusions like this in February, we can also conclude that Cancellara can't even follow the peloton on the flat anymore. He has clearly lost it. Might as well retire already!


MY comments are based on his performances going back much further than this week's racing I can assure you. I thought it was pretty clear that he is losing sprint speed as he improves other areas of his riding but obviously you disagree with me, we'll see who was right at the end of the year.
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08 Feb 2013 13:44

Dazed and Confused wrote:Kirby probably has a bit of knowledge about Sky's plans moving forward. I can imagine EBH is being shifted out.


WHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

..... :rolleyes:
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08 Feb 2013 13:46

BlenJones2 wrote:No way he'll be moved. He's up there with sagan in terms of being able to do almost everything very well and Brailsford knows that. Asking too much of him to be a top-class sprinter all year round whilst also filling a job of mountain domsetique in gt's and stage races


sagan does everything very well that he needs to do. ebh can't go very well past 200 km, which makes him so limited I see is future as an elite helper, similar to what voigt was somewhat
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08 Feb 2013 13:52

Ryo Hazuki wrote:sagan does everything very well that he needs to do. ebh can't go very well past 200 km, which makes him so limited I see is future as an elite helper, similar to what voigt was somewhat

he did ok in the world championships
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08 Feb 2013 13:55

Could go well in Scheldeprijs too.
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08 Feb 2013 14:05

Pharazon wrote:he did ok in the world championships


Ok ?

He couldn't do better than that. No one was going beat Gilbert back then...

But that result can't be judged, it was a quite easy race comapred to real classics like Ronde or Paris Roubaix, we'll see this year.
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08 Feb 2013 14:14

Pharazon wrote:he did ok in the world championships


that race is completely not comparable to the classics.
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08 Feb 2013 14:55

Didn't people used to say Gilbert couldn't go past 200km?
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08 Feb 2013 15:00

Dazed and Confused wrote:Kirby probably has a bit of knowledge


You lost.me.there.

Btw wtf kirby was on commentary? I thought es weren't covering it.
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08 Feb 2013 15:06

Well, that was a predictable outcome. Not sure what Andrea Guardini, Nacer Bouhanni and John Degenkolb got out of it, but OPQS look to have got in a bit of practice for their train. Still looks ragged in comparison to HTC.
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08 Feb 2013 15:20

Haynzie wrote:Well, that was a predictable outcome. Not sure what Andrea Guardini, Nacer Bouhanni and John Degenkolb got out of it, but OPQS look to have got in a bit of practice for their train. Still looks ragged in comparison to HTC.


First time they put a proper one together for him in this race, isn't it? Despite that he managed for wins in a row and the overall. And to be fair, every train looks ragged compared the HTC-Highroad
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08 Feb 2013 15:37

JimmyFingers wrote: And to be fair, every train looks ragged compared the HTC-Highroad


Too true...and looking back, it's a bit of a shame that the most brilliantly slickly executed cycling (in this aspect) resulted in something that looked predictable and tame.

Can't blame HTC and Cavendish for winning, but would be great to see five or six even contenders duke it out.
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08 Feb 2013 15:40

Best OPQS Tour train would be something like:

Grabsch, Kwiatkowski, P.Velits, Terpstra, Chavanel, Martin, Steegmans, Boonen, Cavendish

Some huge engines there that would be able to control flat stages and deliver Steegmans, Boonen and Cavendish to the last 750m.
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08 Feb 2013 15:44

JRanton wrote:Best OPQS Tour train would be something like:

Grabsch, Kwiatkowski, P.Velits, Terpstra, Chavanel, Martin, Steegmans, Boonen, Cavendish

Some huge engines there that would be able to control flat stages and deliver Steegmans, Boonen and Cavendish to the last 750m.

you have forgot keisse and vandenbergh
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08 Feb 2013 15:47

Best for the win, agree totally, but for max entertainment you want a train that goes wrong for Cav so that he has to pick other rider's pockets like McEwan used to.

Awesome to watch him win like that. Not so keen on the supertrain with predictable result.
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08 Feb 2013 15:49

P-R and Ronde are not the only classics, Hagen could possibly do well at M-S-R maybe Amstel.

Even Sagan admitted his bike position is wrong for P-R. Funny he cant control his bike on the cobbles but can pull wheelies on the flat lol.
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