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Which double is harder to do?

Poll ended at 06 Feb 2013 06:47

Giro - Tour
72
88%
Tour - Vuelta
3
4%
equally hard
6
7%
equally impossible
1
1%
 
Total votes : 82

Which GT double is harder to do?

03 Feb 2013 06:44

Which double is harder to do?
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03 Feb 2013 07:16

Obvious answer. The second GT is the most difficult to win due to recovery issues, and the TDF is the hardest GT to win due to the level of competition, so it's GIro-Tour.
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03 Feb 2013 07:21

gregrowlerson wrote:Obvious answer. The second GT is the most difficult to win due to recovery issues, and the TDF is the hardest GT to win due to the level of competition, so it's GIro-Tour.


It has a reverse side. A superrider can win the Giro on a pure class, having something in the tank for Le Tour whereas no one can win the Tour on class, Tour requires maximum effort.
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03 Feb 2013 07:59

Is this thread about Wiggins, or "super riders" in general?

I voted Giro - Tour, but a Tour - Vuelta double could be harder for some, also due to mental fatigue after having won the big one already. It depends on the rider. Physically, though, the Giro - Tour double is obviously much harder to accomplish.
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03 Feb 2013 08:18

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:Is this thread about Wiggins, or "super riders" in general?

I voted Giro - Tour, but a Tour - Vuelta double could be harder for some, also due to mental fatigue after having won the big one already. It depends on the rider. Physically, though, the Giro - Tour double is obviously much harder to accomplish.


What means 'physically'? Just Giro parcours?
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03 Feb 2013 09:07

The 2nd GT is always harder, the Tour is a lot harder to win than the Vuelta. It's that simple.
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03 Feb 2013 09:35

As an example. Contador in 2011. With the form he had in May he could have won the Tour, and the form he showed in the Tour would have been enough to win the Vuelta that year. IMO.
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03 Feb 2013 09:42

Giro-Tour.

Usually the Giro is very tough and takes a lot out of you, and to win the tour you have to be in top shape.
Hypothetically if the Vuelta and Giro were held in reverse orders I'm pretty sure there would be much more Vuelta-Tour double winners than Tour-Giro.winners.
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03 Feb 2013 10:02

It all depends on who's racing both, as in the competition or lack of.
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03 Feb 2013 10:18

Netserk wrote:As an example. Contador in 2011. With the form he had in May he could have won the Tour, and the form he showed in the Tour would have been enough to win the Vuelta that year. IMO.


do you seriously think he would of beaten that Froome?
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03 Feb 2013 10:21

Average péloton speed at the Tour is higher than at the Vuelta, so it's easier to hold form between the two than from Giro to Tour (also in recent years the gap between the Tour and Vuelta has been shorter, though that also means less recovery time of course).

For reference, we can note top names attempting Giro-Tour doubles in recent years:
Menchov 2008: 5th Giro, 4th Tour
Riccò 2008: 2nd Giro, DSQ Tour
Menchov 2009: 1st Giro, 50th Tour
Sastre 2009: 3rd Giro, 17th Tour
Evans 2010: 5th Giro, 25th Tour
Vinokourov 2010: 6th Giro, 15th Tour
Basso 2010: 1st Giro, 31st Tour
(Contador 2011: 1st Giro, 5th Tour)
Basso 2012: 5th Giro, 25th Tour

And top names attempting Tour-Vuelta doubles in recent years:
Evans 2007: 2nd Tour, 4th Vuelta
Sastre 2007: 4th Tour, 2nd Vuelta
Sastre 2008: 1st Tour, 3rd Vuelta
Valverde 2008: 6th Tour, 5th Vuelta
Evans 2009: 30th Tour, 3rd Vuelta
Rodríguez 2010: 7th Tour, 4th Vuelta
Valverde 2012: 20th Tour, 2nd Vuelta
Froome 2012: 2nd Tour, 4th Vuelta

The amount of people who double up on good performances is higher for the Tour-Vuelta double.
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03 Feb 2013 10:23

No Giro - Vuelta lovers? :D
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03 Feb 2013 10:27

Libertine Seguros wrote:Average péloton speed at the Tour is higher than at the Vuelta, so it's easier to hold form between the two than from Giro to Tour (also in recent years the gap between the Tour and Vuelta has been shorter, though that also means less recovery time of course).

For reference, we can note top names attempting Giro-Tour doubles in recent years:
Menchov 2008: 5th Giro, 4th Tour
Riccò 2008: 2nd Giro, DSQ Tour
Menchov 2009: 1st Giro, 50th Tour
Sastre 2009: 3rd Giro, 17th Tour
Evans 2010: 5th Giro, 25th Tour
Vinokourov 2010: 6th Giro, 15th Tour
Basso 2010: 1st Giro, 31st Tour
(Contador 2011: 1st Giro, 5th Tour)
Basso 2012: 5th Giro, 25th Tour

And top names attempting Tour-Vuelta doubles in recent years:
Evans 2007: 2nd Tour, 4th Vuelta
Sastre 2007: 4th Tour, 2nd Vuelta
Sastre 2008: 1st Tour, 3rd Vuelta
Valverde 2008: 6th Tour, 5th Vuelta
Evans 2009: 30th Tour, 3rd Vuelta
Rodríguez 2010: 7th Tour, 4th Vuelta
Valverde 2012: 20th Tour, 2nd Vuelta
Froome 2012: 2nd Tour, 4th Vuelta

The amount of people who double up on good performances is higher for the Tour-Vuelta double.


But I bet you know in which of GT unofficial power ITT and MTT records were set. ;)
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03 Feb 2013 10:30

What a stupid question.

It's obviously ToC-Giro.
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03 Feb 2013 10:31

airstream wrote:But I bet you know in which of GT unofficial power ITT and MTT records were set. ;)


If Armstrong wanted to win the Tour-Vuelta he would have kept Heras at USPS ;)
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03 Feb 2013 11:37

airstream wrote:do you seriously think he would of beaten that Froome?


Lol, how was Froome that impressive in that Vuelta? He lost to Cobo and finished 4 minutes in front of Monfort......

Don't think Contador would've beaten 'that Froome' from 2012 TDF in the 2011 TDF shape, but he sure should have been able to win the Vuelta 2011.
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03 Feb 2013 11:46

Maaaaaaaarten wrote:Lol, how was Froome that impressive in that Vuelta? He lost to Cobo and finished 4 minutes in front of Monfort......

Don't think Contador would've beaten 'that Froome' from 2012 TDF in the 2011 TDF shape, but he sure should have been able to win the Vuelta 2011.


Cobo rode Angliru faster than Contador. But let's think if characterizes him badly if you like. Nonetheless, Froome rode very conservatively for Wiggins. He would have ridden much stronger for himself.
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03 Feb 2013 11:49

Why 4 poll questions? It should be just 1. Giro-Tour. Airstream, now that you know, what's your next poll?
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03 Feb 2013 11:50

cineteq wrote:Why 4 poll questions? It should be just 1. Giro-Tour. Airstream, now that you know, what's your next poll?


I disagree with people voting for Giro-Tour. It is too simplified thought.
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03 Feb 2013 11:52

airstream wrote:I disagree with people voting for Giro-Tour. It is too simplified thought.
The poll is proving you way wrong. Did you intend a different question? I don't get the 'too simplified'.
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