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Will Nibali ever win the Tour?

Poll ended at 14 May 2013 21:21

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 120

04 Feb 2013 09:58

theyoungest wrote:Let's wait before Tejay gets more results than 5th in the Tour. Gesink got 5th in the Tour at that age as well, I don't think anyone considers him a potential Tour winner either.


What about the dutch people? They gave up that dream? :D
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04 Feb 2013 10:08

theyoungest wrote:Let's wait before Tejay gets more results than 5th in the Tour. Gesink got 5th in the Tour at that age as well, I don't think anyone considers him a potential Tour winner either.

Gesink did 5th but never was one of the three bests riders in his terrain. And TVG yes. We saw it in Besançon, the best gt rider in the TT only after Wiggins and Froome.
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04 Feb 2013 10:10

Yes, he will win it within the next 5 years.
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04 Feb 2013 10:17

gruppeto993 wrote:I love the way you completely rule out andy schleck. Whats wrong with you?! You mention guys like pinot and quintana who are clearly big talents when it comes to grand tours but you completely rule out andy who has come second in 4 grand tours? I am no fan of his attitude tp racing but he WAS the second best climber there is after contador.


Let's wait and see if he recover his level. But today Andy is nothing. Let's see in the Mediterranean Tour. If he doesnt ride well here i fear the worst.
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04 Feb 2013 10:19

No, and I don't think he'll win another GT anymore, either.
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04 Feb 2013 10:25

Jason_Mercier wrote: Let's see in the Mediterranean Tour. If he doesnt ride well here i fear the worst.


the what?!

watch out! it's the Mediterraneen Tour or bust for Andy!

D:
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04 Feb 2013 10:38

Jason_Mercier wrote:Let's wait and see if he recover his level. But today Andy is nothing. Let's see in the Mediterranean Tour. If he doesnt ride well here i fear the worst.


Then we can be sure he is over;)

i give him the doubt till the classics. Not to win but top 10-15 being there as an important piece of the race. Then we can expect something for 2014
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04 Feb 2013 10:39

woodenswan wrote:the what?!

watch out! it's the Mediterraneen Tour or bust for Andy!

D:


Laugh. If Andy doesnt respond in this months then will come the tears:p;)
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04 Feb 2013 11:08

Jason_Mercier wrote:Gesink did 5th but never was one of the three bests riders in his terrain. And TVG yes. We saw it in Besançon, the best gt rider in the TT only after Wiggins and Froome.


TJVG is a good time trialist. . . and what? this years course was perfect for him, over 100km of itt and the lightest mountains possible around france, if the course has a couple of proper mountains he is out of the fight for the podium right away. quintana and pinot and 100 times the GT talents TJVG is imo.


btw at 23 nibali finished top 20 in both the giro(11th) and the tour(18th) while being a domestique and at 24 he finished 7th in the tour but closer in time to the second overall then TJVG was to the third overall this year.

and when TJVG finishes a GT on the podium and/or wins another next year like nibali did at 25, you can come and say he is more talented.
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04 Feb 2013 11:23

Parrulo wrote:TJVG is a good time trialist. . . and what? this years course was perfect for him, over 100km of itt and the lightest mountains possible around france, if the course has a couple of proper mountains he is out of the fight for the podium right away. quintana and pinot and 100 times the GT talents TJVG is imo.

The Tour makes very high TT requirements traditionally. Either one is a genial climber or a brilliant all-rounde who can limit his mountain losses in TT. Nibali doesn't look like any of these guys so far.
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04 Feb 2013 11:24

airstream wrote:The Tour makes very high TT requirements traditionally. Either one is a genial climber or a brilliant all-rounde who can limit his mountain losses in TT. Nibali doesn't look like any of these guys so far.


That's true, nibali is neither but that doesn't mean van garderen is better.

He couldn't even follow the sky train, his climbing abilities are still a question. It depends on how good he'll become at it the next years.
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04 Feb 2013 11:28

airstream wrote:The Tour makes very high TT requirements traditionally. Either one is a genial climber or a brilliant all-rounde who can limit his mountain losses in TT. Nibali doesn't look like any of these guys so far.


traditionally the tour has mountains to balance the route, like it did in 07 and 08 which were the last 2 times the route had over 100k of itt.
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04 Feb 2013 11:41

Parrulo wrote:traditionally the tour has mountains to balance the route, like it did in 07 and 08 which were the last 2 times the route had over 100k of itt.


the tour of '08 had over 100 km ITT? :confused:

edit: looked it up, it had 82 km ITT
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04 Feb 2013 11:53

i thought the first itt was longer but it also didn't have a prologue which if it had would pit at around 90k itt. that isn't far from the 100k mark ;)
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04 Feb 2013 11:55

Probably not, but that doesn't effect his awesomeness
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04 Feb 2013 11:57

Just to give an overview:

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Cancellara is like The Black Album. Really good but way overrated.
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04 Feb 2013 12:53

It all depends on how the race unfods really. With a couple of hard dowhill finishes, a not to long final tt and som lbl like stages and not to hard mtfs, sure he can win with a strong enough team (Astana 09 strong)
"I know how to ride my bike" - Nibali

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04 Feb 2013 12:57

Vino attacks everyone wrote:It all depends on how the race unfods really. With a couple of hard dowhill finishes, a not to long final tt and som lbl like stages and not to hard mtfs, sure he can win with a strong enough team (Astana 09 strong)

He can do well on hard mtfs, as long as there isn't many back-to-back mountain stages.
Cancellara is like The Black Album. Really good but way overrated.
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04 Feb 2013 13:04

Strange chart. In 2008 they handle Super Besse like a MTF, unlike 2011. Apparently, Tour always had 3-4 MTF's but 2002.
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04 Feb 2013 13:04

Netserk wrote:He can do well on hard mtfs, as long as there isn't many back-to-back mountain stages.


He can do well on a hard mountain stage indeed. Is it a follow AC, Froome, and Andy well, or a beat VDB2 well? i a not so sure :o
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