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21 Feb 2013 18:29

This should give 50 WT points at the most when I take a look at the field.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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21 Feb 2013 18:55

El Pistolero wrote:This should give 50 WT points at the most when I take a look at the field.


By those standards T-A should be 200 points ;)
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21 Feb 2013 18:57

Miburo wrote:By those standards T-A should be 200 points ;)


It's still only a prep race, so 100 is fine. ;)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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21 Feb 2013 19:20

Westra and Talansky finished within seconds of Wiggins in separate stage races last year, Quintana is the biggest climbing talent out there. Tirreno is bigger in terms of names, whether it's really bigger in terms of level remains to be seen.
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21 Feb 2013 19:35

theyoungest wrote:Westra and Talansky finished within seconds of Wiggins in separate stage races last year, Quintana is the biggest climbing talent out there. Tirreno is bigger in terms of names, whether it's really bigger in terms of level remains to be seen.


Froome, Contador, Nibali, Evans and Purito. What the **** are you talking about? :D

Their level is obviously better, it's not that they didn't do anything yet in this year or in this previous ones.

Menchov is an example of a big name but no guarantee for a high level, just like andy.
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21 Feb 2013 19:38

janraaskalt wrote:The complete list of registered riders is available, so why use a condensed list from a magazine?
http://www.letour.fr/2013/PNC/RIDERS/us/engages.html


The condensed list was a list of the teams main contenders. Not meant to be a list of who is competing.
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21 Feb 2013 20:22

Miburo wrote:Froome, Contador, Nibali, Evans and Purito. What the **** are you talking about? :D

Their level is obviously better, it's not that they didn't do anything yet in this year or in this previous ones.

Menchov is an example of a big name but no guarantee for a high level, just like andy.

Nibali is not a better climber than Quintana. He's a bigger name though.

That's what I mean. There's no doubt that Tirreno attracted the bigger names this year. But it's all relative, little more than a year ago Froome wasn't exactly a big name ;)
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21 Feb 2013 20:34

theyoungest wrote:Nibali is not a better climber than Quintana. He's a bigger name though.

That's what I mean. There's no doubt that Tirreno attracted the bigger names this year. But it's all relative, little more than a year ago Froome wasn't exactly a big name ;)


I don't know if Quintana is already better than nibali, he has the potential for sure but let's see if he can do it. He's not that consistent yet although his last week at vuelta was superb.

He showed condition last week. But you can't compare him with the likes of Contador or Froome who were going crazy in Oman.

Some new name might pop off but he's not going to be directly at the same level as those guys. Only Froome can do that ;)

Btw Andy is gonna ride T-A, right? He's a big name lol
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21 Feb 2013 21:00

theyoungest wrote:Westra and Talansky finished within seconds of Wiggins in separate stage races last year, Quintana is the biggest climbing talent out there. Tirreno is bigger in terms of names, whether it's really bigger in terms of level remains to be seen.


Says more about the parcours than anything else.
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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21 Feb 2013 22:25

El Pistolero wrote:Says more about the parcours than anything else.


agree, parcours seems debateable, but on a stage like this

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there are lots of opportunity to race even from km 0, if we have any brave riders in the peloton.

I can see De Gendt or Voeckler doing something here.
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22 Feb 2013 07:20

Dazed and Confused wrote:agree, parcours seems debateable, but on a stage like this

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there are lots of opportunity to race even from km 0, if we have any brave riders in the peloton.

I can see De Gendt or Voeckler doing something here.


yeah, like losing ten minutes and then winning from the break ;)

It's a nicely designed stage. But we won't see anything in terms of GC action until the final two climbs. At the earliest.
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22 Feb 2013 07:42

Generally need gradients >5% to even attempt staying away.

There's a reasonable (for a medium mountain stage) amount of climbing in the first 150km but only about 5-10km over 5%. If it's not a breakaway, the stage will be won on the descent of the final climb like Evans last year (although hopefully someone attacks the penultimate hill which wasn't there in June).
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23 Feb 2013 10:06

will10 wrote:yeah, like losing ten minutes and then winning from the break ;)

It's a nicely designed stage. But we won't see anything in terms of GC action until the final two climbs. At the earliest.


Ferminal wrote:Generally need gradients >5% to even attempt staying away.

There's a reasonable (for a medium mountain stage) amount of climbing in the first 150km but only about 5-10km over 5%. If it's not a breakaway, the stage will be won on the descent of the final climb like Evans last year (although hopefully someone attacks the penultimate hill which wasn't there in June).



Agree, it will be difficult to put the "true" GC under pressure and if any serious players wants to do it, they must tank an earlier stage. Stiil, looking forward to it.
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23 Feb 2013 19:18

All profiles have been released:
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Cancellara is like The Black Album. Really good but way overrated.
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23 Feb 2013 19:20

Already posted before, but reposted so every stage profile is together in 2 posts:

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Cancellara is like The Black Album. Really good but way overrated.
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23 Feb 2013 19:22

Netserk wrote:Image


It would have been MUCH better if the final loop was the other way around :(
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23 Feb 2013 21:11

That Lure stage is sooo bad. It was possible to do much better, in a shorter distance:

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(The altitudes are not right)
Km 48: Col des Abeilles - 996 m - 11.9 km @ 5.9% (Cat. 1)
Km 69: Col de la Liguière - 998 m - 3.4 km @ 4.3% (Cat. 3)
Km 99: Col de Lagarde d'Apt - 1105 m - 11 km @ 7.1% (Cat. 1)
Km 127: Côte de Banon - 787 m - 3.3 km @ 4.0% (Cat. 3)
Km 160: Montagne de Lure - 1600 m - 13.8 km @ 6.6% (Cat. 1)

Much harder than the joke we have here.
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23 Feb 2013 21:31

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23 Feb 2013 21:37

Hi Linkinito

Have you ever seen the Race Design Thread? :)

You seem to have the creativity to make some meaningful contributes.
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23 Feb 2013 21:39

Netserk wrote:It would have been MUCH better if the final loop was the other way around :(


this is barely ok for a flat stage.
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