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13 Jun 2019 12:47

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
backdoor wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=301204007442681

The source of Anquetil's mysterious extra sustainable power in flat time trials. Direct arm resistance from correct setting of bars, cleats and upper body in low aero position will more than double the forward force they are producing, giving equal torque at 12 and 3 o'c.



How far would the forward ' kicking force ' recommended by the experts over TDC get you in that chair race. These chair racers are using this powerful combination of muscles to create a forward force in exactly the same way as competitors use them in the powerful sport of indoor tug o'war. When pedalling, the circular track of the pedal and lower high gear cadence extends the range of this maximal torque beyond 1 o'c, peaking at 1.30 where it merges with natural downward force. The dead spot effect in that chair racing can be almost eliminated by attempting to draw the idling leg back faster than the other leg is applying its force and priming the necessary muscles in the process, which leaves them ready for instant application of max force at switchover of legs. The same objectives are used in Anquetil's technique where drawing back starts at 5 o'c and switchover is attempted at 11. This forward force generating technique is more effective and more sustainable when used in pedalling because cleats eliminate the need for the downward tractive force required for chair racing.
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14 Jun 2019 20:29

Pull (or rather push) the other one Noel.

Show some data. You know, that funny stuff called evidence.
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18 Jun 2019 15:47

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Pull (or rather push) the other one Noel.

Show some data. You know, that funny stuff called evidence.

Drive is the word not push. Common sense not data is what you need here. The funny stuff churned out over the past 120 years can be found in museums around the world. While engineers and scientists were wasting time trying to eliminate the dead spot sector, Anquetil was amassing his fortune by making maximal use of it in time trials with that simple chair racing technique in which maximal forward force can be driven from the hips.

" Lance's agile, toes down pedaling style may be visually reminiscent of 5 time Tour De France Champion Jacques Anquetil. Cyclingnews discussed Lance Armstrong with Jean-Yves Donor. Mr. Donor covers cycling for Paris daily Le Figaro and is head of the International Association of Cycling Journalists. We asked Donor if the comparison of Lance with Anquetil is appropriate.

"Well, not really," said Donor. "Anquetil was an elegant rider who was really a time trial specialist in his day. His riding style was so smooth he looked like he was just sailing along. Anquetil was very powerful in his rear end, and used this to drive his pedaling, while not moving his upper body." "

The natural mashing childhood technique of all cyclists is so ingrained in their brains and muscles that they are incapable of even considering the idea that an equally powerful combination of muscles could be available for use at TDC.
You can see the evidence below,

" Gizmos, Gagets, Whatchamacallits and Thingamajigs.

Every few years, someone tries to redesign the way a bicycle is pedaled. odd shaped gears and complex looking cranksets abound in the bicycle's history. Yet, as different and exotic as they all may look, each and every one of them is attempting to do the exact same thing; create a smooth, unchanging flow of power to the rear wheel.

The problem is this. A human being's legs aren't made to apply smooth, unchanging power in a circular motion. What they were designed to do is:

Raise the person, and themselves, against gravity, and
move the person forwards.
As a result, some of the muscles evolved to be stronger than others. As a result, when they are called upon to pedal a bike, they cannot move the feet at a constant speed around the pedal stroke the way the pedals do. The result is what cyclists call the "dead spot". "

" Whether you believe BioPace, or any other method worked or not, there is no escaping the fact that none of them really did get rid of the dead spot. Even if you match pedal motion to leg motion perfectly, you will still never be able to apply the same force to the pedals at the dead spot as you can during the up/down stroke for the simple reason that the muscles you must use there are weaker. "
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