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15 Sep 2018 07:40

Benotti69 wrote:Britons win 5* GTs in a row. All cleans of course.


*unless Yates collapses tomorrow.

Is there anything tomorrow that could see a collapse? Nothing steep or long particularly. Unless he is sick.
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15 Sep 2018 16:10

2 proven British dopers win 2 of the 3 GTs.

Other won by another British late bloomer.

Brits dont dope.
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15 Sep 2018 16:36

Benotti69 wrote:2 proven British dopers win 2 of the 3 GTs.

Other won by another British late bloomer.

Brits dont dope.


And UKADA is the best anti doping agency in the world. Are they have close collaboration with Russian one?
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15 Sep 2018 18:49

Benotti69 wrote:2 proven British dopers win 2 of the 3 GTs.

Other won by another British late bloomer.

Brits dont dope.

They are not proven dopers until brownbobby says they are
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15 Sep 2018 18:50

Heh when Sky first announced their coming and them and DB wanting a Brit to win the TDF in 5 years I thought they were nuts. Now 3 british riders, different ones, win all GT's in 1 season. Something which NEVER has been done.

Yes there have been countries winning all GT in 1 season, but usually 2/3 were won by the same rider.

This is insane
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15 Sep 2018 18:52

They're both pretty obviously dopers but they're also obviously not proven dopers.
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15 Sep 2018 19:42

Brits do dope but so does everyone else. It's obvious that British dope is miles ahead of Colombian dope, French dope, or Belgian dope. Russian and American dope is just pathetic these days.

The sport is what it is so the choice is either to enjoy the WWE on wheels or find something else to follow.

The e-bikes are kind of getting out of hand though. They make the sport way less entertaining to watch.
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15 Sep 2018 20:26

veganrob wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:2 proven British dopers win 2 of the 3 GTs.

Other won by another British late bloomer.

Brits dont dope.

They are not proven dopers until brownbobby says they are


:cool:
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15 Sep 2018 21:26

hrotha wrote:They're both pretty obviously dopers but they're also obviously not proven dopers.


Simon Yates served a doping ban.

Froome tested positive for huge levels of Salbutamol.

That is proven.
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15 Sep 2018 21:28

DanielSong39 wrote:Brits do dope but so does everyone else. It's obvious that British dope is miles ahead of Colombian dope, French dope, or Belgian dope. Russian and American dope is just pathetic these days.

The sport is what it is so the choice is either to enjoy the WWE on wheels or find something else to follow.

The e-bikes are kind of getting out of hand though. They make the sport way less entertaining to watch.


Yes, but this is the British thread :D
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15 Sep 2018 22:19

Benotti69 wrote:
hrotha wrote:They're both pretty obviously dopers but they're also obviously not proven dopers.


Simon Yates served a doping ban.

Froome tested positive for huge levels of Salbutamol.

That is proven.

I'll give you Yates because I misremembered and thought he had been cleared. But Froome? Sadly, no.
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16 Sep 2018 10:14

Pretty sure Yates declared his Terb use on the form. So he wasn't trying to dope. You don't try and dope and tell CADF on your form what you are doping with. Without his declaration, I would agree, he was doping. With the form declaration, pretty obvious is was as UCI confirmed.
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16 Sep 2018 13:09

samhocking wrote:Pretty sure Yates declared his Terb use on the form. So he wasn't trying to dope. You don't try and dope and tell CADF on your form what you are doping with. Without his declaration, I would agree, he was doping. With the form declaration, pretty obvious is was as UCI confirmed.


Pretty sure he got banned, therefore was doping.

But when you know who are behind the riders winning GTs to think they are clean takes huge levels of either ignorance or blind belief.

Then you have to consider who Yates beat, Piti, Astana, Quickstep, Sky, etc etc and then ask yourself how could he do it clean, just how and if he did well he is the greatest ever.......

But then reality kicks in and Yates is another doper who had a great PED program, better than the others PED programmes.
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16 Sep 2018 17:19

He was found positive of the AAF, but clearly they didn't believe it was due to wanting to dope, because he never a received a ban for an intentional ADRV in line with that of a doper, he received a 4 month ban which was inline with a non-intentional ADRV. Big difference.
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16 Sep 2018 18:58

samhocking wrote:He was found positive of the AAF, but clearly they didn't believe it was due to wanting to dope, because he never a received a ban for an intentional ADRV in line with that of a doper, he received a 4 month ban which was inline with a non-intentional ADRV. Big difference.


he's more credible than wiggins and froome but then the fact they he has a doping ban tells you how low that bar is.....
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16 Sep 2018 20:31

samhocking wrote:He was found positive of the AAF, but clearly they didn't believe it was due to wanting to dope, because he never a received a ban for an intentional ADRV in line with that of a doper, he received a 4 month ban which was inline with a non-intentional ADRV. Big difference.


Yates can 'they', UCI run by thank Uncle Brian Cookson for that, who conicedently who wrote a lovely (see vomit stains) piece in The Guardian yesterday, the paper that hires William Flufferingham to fluff Sky and anything British in cycling.

He recieved a ban Sam. That ban was for taking an illegal product that enhances performance. End of. Dress it up any way you want even hang a Union Jack off it, it is doping. He got a ban for doping.

Yates never produced evidence that he had asthma from childhood. So lets call a spade a spade. Yates like every other GT winner is a doper.
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16 Sep 2018 21:59

I would need more evidence than that to consider him doping with Terb, sorry.
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16 Sep 2018 22:25

samhocking wrote:I would need more evidence than that to consider him doping with Terb, sorry.


My biggest takeaway from the victories of Wiggin, Froome, Thomas and now Yates is how effortlessly they won their grand tours. Froome has done a good job of acting the last few years, but they all seemed to have won without doing much suffering. Please don't give me bs about the great teams they were on, if you're climbing an HC mountain and you're on a bad day you will suffer.
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17 Sep 2018 08:34

For Queen and country
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17 Sep 2018 09:36

Huapango wrote:
samhocking wrote:I would need more evidence than that to consider him doping with Terb, sorry.


My biggest takeaway from the victories of Wiggin, Froome, Thomas and now Yates is how effortlessly they won their grand tours. Froome has done a good job of acting the last few years, but they all seemed to have won without doing much suffering. Please don't give me bs about the great teams they were on, if you're climbing an HC mountain and you're on a bad day you will suffer.


True that. It's highly annoying seeing them winning HC-stages, dropping the rest of the field like stones, without giving the impression of being devastated.
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