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31 Mar 2019 13:23

Good outcome

A truck driver has reportedly been sacked after almost coming to blows with a group of cyclists during a fiery exchange in Perth’s western suburbs.

Nick Algie and fellow members of the Indian Ocean Cycling Club were out for a Tuesday morning ride along Railway Street in Cottesloe when they were passed by a large truck.

Vision captured by one of the cyclists shows the truck surge ahead and pull over into the cycling lane, blocking their path and the several cars in the adjacent lane.

The driver emerges in a rage, appearing to threaten one of the cyclist’s, raising his fist as he screams: “You want a f***ing punch in the head?”

The enraged driver emerged pulled over and confronted the cyclists.

The riders can be seen attempting to diffuse the situation, encouraging the driver to leave who accuses them of riding three-abreast.

Mr Algie, however, disputes they did anything wrong.

“He came up behind us and blew his horn for 15 to 20 seconds as he approached the group,” he said

“We were riding in an orderly fashion, one and two abreast hard against the verge.”

The truck driver accused the cyclists of taking up too much space on the road.

Mr Algie said he was later contacted by Earthtech who informed him that the driver had been sacked.

Yahoo7 contacted Earthtech for comment and to confirm the driver had been dismissed but the company declined to comment

“They saw the footage and say they are disgusted at his behaviour,” Mr Algie wrote on Facebook.

“Good outcome. Could have ended a lot worse.” he wrote.
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31 Mar 2019 20:21

The riders can be seen attempting to diffuse the situation, encouraging the driver to leave who accuses them of riding three-abreast.


Let me get this straight; they were in the cycling lane, right? So even if they had been three-abreast, it wouldn't matter coz… they were in the cycling lane.
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31 Mar 2019 23:27

RedheadDane wrote:
The riders can be seen attempting to diffuse the situation, encouraging the driver to leave who accuses them of riding three-abreast.


Let me get this straight; they were in the cycling lane, right? So even if they had been three-abreast, it wouldn't matter coz… they were in the cycling lane.


Totally ridiculous. His employers agreed. Stupidity.
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02 Apr 2019 02:41

Sacked, but an opportunity for correction lost. I guess he'll take it out on some other poor souls now rather than attain support to address the mental problems causing him to react with such anger to others.
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05 Apr 2019 19:02

RedheadDane wrote:
The riders can be seen attempting to diffuse the situation, encouraging the driver to leave who accuses them of riding three-abreast.


Let me get this straight; they were in the cycling lane, right? So even if they had been three-abreast, it wouldn't matter coz… they were in the cycling lane.


Yep. What you need to realise is that in Australia we must have one of if not the worst attitudes by drivers towards cyclists in the world.

Every time there is some online news story that concerns cyclists, all these ignorant people climb in and write trash. For example I am quite sure the majority of Australian drivers think all cyclists should carry license plates for identification and be registered like a car.

There is also a lot of generalising. All cyclists get blamed for the few idiots who run red lights, don't wear helmets (according to our laws) or ride illegally on footpaths. There is also inadequate cycling infrastructure in Australia and even the cycle-ways are poorly designed for road cyclists who ride at speed with skinny tyres. There is also an irrational disconnect between the actual and perceived delays or inconvenience caused by cyclists using public roads.

Apparently these people would feel better if the occasional idiot who rides through a red light or illegally on a footpath can be identified so they can be rounded up and burned at the stake :mad:

The animosity is over the top but I think related directly to the matters discussed in this thread. In my opinion the causes are varied but relate to increasing congestion on roads making people more agitated and impatient behind the wheel. We are also accused of being "Lycra warriors". In other words they think we wear Lycra for looks rather than personal preservation on any ride over 30 minutes. Ignorance. Others I am sure are a bit jealous seeing people who are obviously fitter than them.

I am thankful I can ride on relatively quiet roads in early mornings (except for weekends) when little traffic and lower risk of idiots. But an idiot running you down is still always in the back of your mind.
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27 Apr 2019 00:02

Cookster15 wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:
The riders can be seen attempting to diffuse the situation, encouraging the driver to leave who accuses them of riding three-abreast.


Let me get this straight; they were in the cycling lane, right? So even if they had been three-abreast, it wouldn't matter coz… they were in the cycling lane.


Yep. What you need to realise is that in Australia we must have one of if not the worst attitudes by drivers towards cyclists in the world.

Every time there is some online news story that concerns cyclists, all these ignorant people climb in and write trash. For example I am quite sure the majority of Australian drivers think all cyclists should carry license plates for identification and be registered like a car.

There is also a lot of generalising. All cyclists get blamed for the few idiots who run red lights, don't wear helmets (according to our laws) or ride illegally on footpaths. There is also inadequate cycling infrastructure in Australia and even the cycle-ways are poorly designed for road cyclists who ride at speed with skinny tyres. There is also an irrational disconnect between the actual and perceived delays or inconvenience caused by cyclists using public roads.

Apparently these people would feel better if the occasional idiot who rides through a red light or illegally on a footpath can be identified so they can be rounded up and burned at the stake :mad:

The animosity is over the top but I think related directly to the matters discussed in this thread. In my opinion the causes are varied but relate to increasing congestion on roads making people more agitated and impatient behind the wheel. We are also accused of being "Lycra warriors". In other words they think we wear Lycra for looks rather than personal preservation on any ride over 30 minutes. Ignorance. Others I am sure are a bit jealous seeing people who are obviously fitter than them.

I am thankful I can ride on relatively quiet roads in early mornings (except for weekends) when little traffic and lower risk of idiots. But an idiot running you down is still always in the back of your mind.


It is exactly the same in the UK unfortunately.
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Re: Driving into cyclists the Emma way

01 May 2019 08:15

21-year-old texting driver kills Jason Lowndes and has the audacity to plead not guilty coz SMIDSY.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/woman-accused-of-sending-text-message-seconds-before-fatal-crash-20190501-p51ixp.html

Going to trial later this year. I wonder if she still has a license?
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Re: Driving into cyclists the Emma way

01 May 2019 13:16

Stingray34 wrote:21-year-old texting driver kills Jason Lowndes and has the audacity to plead not guilty coz SMIDSY.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/woman-accused-of-sending-text-message-seconds-before-fatal-crash-20190501-p51ixp.html

Going to trial later this year. I wonder if she still has a license?


Not much between the ears, little road sense. The usual excuses.
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01 May 2019 13:49

Defence counsel Rahmin de Kretser said Ms Rodda swore to police she wasn't looking at her phone at the time of crash, but instead had looked at her car's speedometer moments before. The court heard she was inattentive for between two and four seconds before impact.

"This is a short period of inattention," Mr de Kretser said.


A short period of inattention that cost someone his life!

movingtarget wrote:
Stingray34 wrote:21-year-old texting driver kills Jason Lowndes and has the audacity to plead not guilty coz SMIDSY.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/woman-accused-of-sending-text-message-seconds-before-fatal-crash-20190501-p51ixp.html

Going to trial later this year. I wonder if she still has a license?


Not much between the ears, little road sense. The usual excuses.


Someone like that shouldn't be allowed to get a license!

Says the person without a license.
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11 May 2019 12:17



Sickening. Be the usual excuse I suppose. I didn't see him or the sun was in my eyes etc.........as for the reversing and leaving the scene, both imply a level of stupidity and lack of concern to add to the probable culpable driving.
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12 May 2019 00:27

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Sickening. Be the usual excuse I suppose. I didn't see him or the sun was in my eyes etc.........as for the reversing and leaving the scene, both imply a level of stupidity and lack of concern to add to the probable culpable driving.



Here's an update:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/woman-charged-over-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-cyclist-20190511-p51m9e.html

It's concerning she was bailed. Doubt that would happen if she ran over a stroller. Her 'oh so sorry' story is chillingly negligent at best and an outright lie (implying manslaughter) at worst. She's also a dual-national, making her a flight risk.

Her effing Lionel Hutz of a lawyer, "We say there's no failure to assist," because she didn't realise there was a human she was dragging under her car...oh, well that's alright then. Carry on.
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12 May 2019 08:48

Cookster15 wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:
The riders can be seen attempting to diffuse the situation, encouraging the driver to leave who accuses them of riding three-abreast.


Let me get this straight; they were in the cycling lane, right? So even if they had been three-abreast, it wouldn't matter coz… they were in the cycling lane.


Yep. What you need to realise is that in Australia we must have one of if not the worst attitudes by drivers towards cyclists in the world.

Every time there is some online news story that concerns cyclists, all these ignorant people climb in and write trash. For example I am quite sure the majority of Australian drivers think all cyclists should carry license plates for identification and be registered like a car.

There is also a lot of generalising. All cyclists get blamed for the few idiots who run red lights, don't wear helmets (according to our laws) or ride illegally on footpaths. There is also inadequate cycling infrastructure in Australia and even the cycle-ways are poorly designed for road cyclists who ride at speed with skinny tyres. There is also an irrational disconnect between the actual and perceived delays or inconvenience caused by cyclists using public roads.

Apparently these people would feel better if the occasional idiot who rides through a red light or illegally on a footpath can be identified so they can be rounded up and burned at the stake :mad:

The animosity is over the top but I think related directly to the matters discussed in this thread. In my opinion the causes are varied but relate to increasing congestion on roads making people more agitated and impatient behind the wheel. We are also accused of being "Lycra warriors". In other words they think we wear Lycra for looks rather than personal preservation on any ride over 30 minutes. Ignorance. Others I am sure are a bit jealous seeing people who are obviously fitter than them.

I am thankful I can ride on relatively quiet roads in early mornings (except for weekends) when little traffic and lower risk of idiots. But an idiot running you down is still always in the back of your mind.

And it gets better when they do things like complain you're not on the footpath when they're driving yet complain that you are when they're walking.
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12 May 2019 10:17

And let me guess; nobody even considers that making proper bike lanes would be a solution.
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Re: Driving into cyclists the Emma way

12 May 2019 11:18

Stingray34 wrote:
movingtarget wrote:


Sickening. Be the usual excuse I suppose. I didn't see him or the sun was in my eyes etc.........as for the reversing and leaving the scene, both imply a level of stupidity and lack of concern to add to the probable culpable driving.



Here's an update:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/woman-charged-over-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-cyclist-20190511-p51m9e.html

It's concerning she was bailed. Doubt that would happen if she ran over a stroller. Her 'oh so sorry' story is chillingly negligent at best and an outright lie (implying manslaughter) at worst. She's also a dual-national, making her a flight risk.

Her effing Lionel Hutz of a lawyer, "We say there's no failure to assist," because she didn't realise there was a human she was dragging under her car...oh, well that's alright then. Carry on.


The police are usually on top of the flight risk. Her passport will be flagged. She won't be going anywhere not internationally anyway. As for the bail, I'm not surprised by that, knowing how the legal system operates.
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15 May 2019 03:29

RedheadDane wrote:And let me guess; nobody even considers that making proper bike lanes would be a solution.

a couple of years back it was allocated to spend $5m on adding and upgrading bike lanes in Sydney - the outcry of how expensive it was and what a waste of money on cyclists, that followed was unreal... coupled to the fact that they'd just allocated $34bn (that's billion) to connect up 3 freeways and save motorists around 3 minutes of travel time, made the hypocrisy of govt spending and car priority pretty damned obvious...
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Archibald wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:And let me guess; nobody even considers that making proper bike lanes would be a solution.

a couple of years back it was allocated to spend $5m on adding and upgrading bike lanes in Sydney - the outcry of how expensive it was and what a waste of money on cyclists, that followed was unreal... coupled to the fact that they'd just allocated $34bn (that's billion) to connect up 3 freeways and save motorists around 3 minutes of travel time, made the hypocrisy of govt spending and car priority pretty damned obvious...

There was a similar issue in Penrith recently with a "Green Bridge" built across the Nepean river. Western Suburbs bogans were all up in arms that they couldn't drive on it and possibly save around 15-20 seconds :rolleyes:
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05 Jun 2019 06:50

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Stingray34 wrote:...and the Tool of the Month Award goes to...


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cop-that-d-head-cyclists-in-viral-video-were-off-duty-policemen-20190131-p50upn.html


Oh boy, this is a good one. A feel-good story for put-upon cyclists.


EDIT: Actually, I take that back. This isn't a feel-good story at all. I apologise for my facetiousness. You see, when I posted this yesterday there were no comments on the article. Reading them this morning was sobering, as the majority of them were sympathetic to the driver. They were sympathetic to a man that drove a one-and-a-half metric ton steel machine - at speed - on a path for pedestrians and cyclists. Is it just me or is that as reckless as carrying a live grenade into a food court? One we call terrorism, the other making a point to entitled, noisy minorities that receive special treatment. Bear in mind that this newspaper isn't a trashy, shit-stirring tabloid read by angry, pick up-driving men in wifebeaters. It's regarded as the masthead of choice for the educated middle class of Sydney, Australia.

I don't understand this widespread animosity for our particular out-group in English speaking countries. Just what is it about Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Canada, the USA et al that festers this indignation? That we're frequent, flagrant rule breakers? Yeah, no. Not many people chase down motorists that run red lights. In fact, not many motorists chase down cyclists that do that, even if they'd like to, because most people's rage is impotent in the real world. But it's there alright, even if it's absent for those people who do things that can and often do kill innocent strangers.

What depresses me, though, is not the scale and tenacity of this strange sentiment against people who choose and enjoy a form of innocuous, self-propelled transport. It's the realisation that this will never change. Not in our lifetimes.

What strange creatures we are.

why the animosity?
that's easy - we're an easy target, a very easy target
you can't pick on gender, race, religion, 'preference', short, fat, ugly, etc, etc, which leaves effectively just us left as one of the few groups you can legally discriminate against...
Want to vent at some group? well, go for this one. Hell, you can even run one over and only cop a small fine instead of going to jail...



Follow up to this tool that drove a ute on a shared path, used mobile camera and swore at cyclists that happened to be off-duty cops:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/driver-guilty-over-confrontation-with-cyclists-who-were-off-duty-policemen-20190605-p51uor.html

Convicted on all three counts.

The comments are the usual barrel of laughs, keen insight and good cheer.
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05 Jun 2019 11:03

In the days after the video went viral, a GoFundMe page was set up - by a stranger - to raise cash to cover Harris' legal costs.
Mr Ward said Harris did not know the person behind the online fundraiser, which eventually raised just over $4000.


There's the problem! People apparently feel sympathy for the criminal!
Wonder if anyone had been injured, would people have been so willing to donate?

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Young rider dies after being hit by a car - during a race - and a lot of people seem to have the reaction of "What was he doing off the bike lane?" "Cyclists just need to learn to follow traffic rules!" and so on. I repeat it was during a race!
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