Log in:  

Register

Most disappointing team so far...

A place to discuss all things related to current professional road races. Here, you can also touch on the latest news relating to professional road racing. A doping discussion free forum.

Moderators: Irondan, Eshnar, Red Rick, Valv.Piti, Pricey_sky, Tonton, King Boonen

16 Jul 2009 14:37

Rabobank have been disapointing. They had high hopes befor ethe tour im sure, now it just seems like a salvage mission.
S-L are in a bad position too, no stage win avans way back.
Quickstep have been god awful. Ok boonen hasn't been riding well, but the support he has recieved from his team at crunch time is pretty questionable.
User avatar Timmy-loves-Rabo
Veteran
 
Posts: 10,448
Joined: 22 Jun 2009 13:44
Location: Melbourne

16 Jul 2009 19:31

Skil-Shimano.
Sheltowee
Junior Member
 
Posts: 221
Joined: 10 Mar 2009 11:24

16 Jul 2009 20:02

Rabobank & Liquigas
User avatar hfer07
Veteran
 
Posts: 6,399
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 15:43

16 Jul 2009 20:35

most disappointing team not at the tour...

rock racing

have you seen that squad? ouch. read the operacion puerto dossier... that's the roster.
User avatar ilillillli
Member
 
Posts: 367
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 15:50
Location: "Czech"

16 Jul 2009 20:35

Astana. Where are the fisticuffs? Why hasn't Lance spiked Contador's bottles, or lowered his seat? Something. Just a bunch of teases. :D
User avatar Publicus
Veteran
 
Posts: 10,446
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 12:55
Location: Oakland, CA

16 Jul 2009 20:41

Publicus wrote:Astana. Where are the fisticuffs? Why hasn't Lance spiked Contador's bottles, or lowered his seat? Something. Just a bunch of teases. :D


second that. i'm getting tired of this "whoever's the strongest" diplomacy. let's see the dukes!

and, as far as i'm concerned, the more cartoony the better: oil slicks, banana peels, wheels with giant spikes coming out of the sides. bring it.
User avatar ilillillli
Member
 
Posts: 367
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 15:50
Location: "Czech"

16 Jul 2009 20:56

In terms of expectations that have not been realized, it's got to be Rabo. Menchov was supposed to be a 'contender'. Gesink was supposed to be a possible stage winner, polka-dot contender, and possible top 10-15. Freire was expected to grab at least one of the sprints that were meant to be too hard for Cav. :rolleyes:

They should have had someone in the group today.
User avatar Amsterhammer
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,924
Joined: 22 Jun 2009 08:29
Location: Amsterdam

16 Jul 2009 21:02

+1 on QuickStep. They are virtually invisible in this tour.
User avatar mambo#5
Junior Member
 
Posts: 238
Joined: 19 May 2009 20:58

16 Jul 2009 21:14

hfer07 wrote:Rabobank & Liquigas


I wouldn't ditch Liquigas just yet. Nibali and Kreziger aren't too far off the GC pace and while Kreuziger hasn't really shone so far I think we'll see more of him in the Alps. Plus, Pellizotti is odds-on to win the mountains classification and has been prominent in a couple of breakaways. Can't expect too much more from a low budget team.

Bennati, however, has done nothing whatsoever and is a shadow of the rider he was in 2007 and 2008. If he doesn't try to get in a breakaway on Saturday's stage it's hard to see him salvaging anything from the Tour (he certainly won't be much help to Kreuziger and Nibali in the mountains).
The Barb
Member
 
Posts: 1,162
Joined: 14 Apr 2009 09:02
Location: New Zealand

16 Jul 2009 21:22

Quickstep and Rabobank.
"If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
User avatar elapid
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,418
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 13:10

16 Jul 2009 21:26

Quickstep simply because they paid so much legal fees to get Boonen into the race and look, nothing.

Katusha too, but they've been in some good attacks.
Rabobank have had really bad luck with some riders this year.


Finally, whoever said Skil Shimano, i'd disagree.
User avatar doddy13
Junior Member
 
Posts: 109
Joined: 03 Jun 2009 07:10

16 Jul 2009 23:08

Sheltowee wrote:Skil-Shimano.


I would say they are having a pretty good ride.
User avatar craig1985
Veteran
 
Posts: 8,314
Joined: 06 May 2009 09:55
Location: Gold Coast, Australia

17 Jul 2009 03:58

The Barb wrote:Team budgets (according to Official TDF Guide - Australia) in Euros:

Katusha 18.0M
Columbia 15.0M
Astana 12.0M
Rabobank 10.0M
Quickstep 9.0M
Cervelo 8.0M
Cofidis 8.0M
AG2R 7.3M
Caisse 7.0M
Garmin 7.0M
Milram 7.0M
Saxo Bank 7.0M
B-Box 6.5M
Euskaltel 6.0M
F des Jeux 6.0M
Lampre 6.0M
Liquigas 6.0M
Silence Lotto 6.0M
Agriturbel 3.7M
Skil-Shimano 3.0M



Teams who do excellent considering thier budget:
Saxobank, Liquigas, Caisse and Garmin

Astana and Columbia may have big budgets but thier results speak for themselves.

Rabobank and Katusha - considering the money they spend compared to others - are disapointing on a whole.
User avatar Timmy-loves-Rabo
Veteran
 
Posts: 10,448
Joined: 22 Jun 2009 13:44
Location: Melbourne

17 Jul 2009 05:08

Although most might not agree I am most disappointed with Garmin. Not sure exactly what their make up is really. If it was to win the TTT's in the Giro and Le Tour then it is a fail. They don't seem to have a train to pull Farrar and Dean has been sucking Highroad wheel. maybe 2 guys in the mountains. The individual TT were supposed to rock but no results....Columbia and Astana seem to poke fun at then a lot

mark cavendish put it best 'they put their whole season into the TTTs this year and they failed'

doing a lot of things above average equals no results. Time to do one thing better than the others JV
User avatar Boeing
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,158
Joined: 17 Jul 2009 04:56
Location: SoCal

17 Jul 2009 08:55

Boeing wrote:Although most might not agree I am most disappointed with Garmin. Not sure exactly what their make up is really. If it was to win the TTT's in the Giro and Le Tour then it is a fail. They don't seem to have a train to pull Farrar and Dean has been sucking Highroad wheel. maybe 2 guys in the mountains. The individual TT were supposed to rock but no results....Columbia and Astana seem to poke fun at then a lot

mark cavendish put it best 'they put their whole season into the TTTs this year and they failed'

doing a lot of things above average equals no results. Time to do one thing better than the others JV


In some ways i agree. When you have such strong riders as Miller, Wiggens VDV and then a speedy dean & farrar it is inexcusable that they have been so dominated in the sprints. Not once have they ever got the jump on COL leadout train. If i was Farrar i would be pretty upset because you can see its a management issue. JV was commenting about when they tried to leadout in the Giro it didn't work that basically they were helping leadout COL.
Heres a hint JV, You put Millar then Wiggens then Dean then Farrar behind CAV when it gets down to Hincapie ahead you have Miller drill it in the wind, when he pulls off Wiggens & dean should be able to equal COL last 2 men, make CAV come around Farrar. If CAV jumps on the train sit up.
Even LA talked about doing some things different to disrupt what everyone knows is coming.
Even on some of those tight Giro finishes in the Cipo era there would be dueling leadout trains. No reason that Garmin cannot challenge.
runninboy
Member
 
Posts: 853
Joined: 16 Jun 2009 06:57

17 Jul 2009 10:40

Based on the budgets, from a sponsor perspective, the worst return would have to be:

Rabobank (€10m) Aside Freire's second and a couple of other top ten spots, rely on the injuries of Gesink and failure of Menchov to register any TV time. They'll be relieved of the Giro win for their investment
Katusha (€18m) A couple of attacks from Ignatiev and five top tens in total seems bad. To pay €18m for the season is huge, especially for a first season, and to have so little return from the main race is a big disappointment. Pozzatto (or anyone, to be honest) really needs to win a stage during the Tour for that money to seem to have been reasonably invested.

On the same criteria, I'd say the best value return in terms of the Tour would have to be - shock horror - some of the French teams!

Agritubel (€3.7m) One stage and a day in polka dots
BBOX Bouygues Telecom (€6.5m) Two stages and a second, loads of TV exposure in breaks
AG2R (€7.3m) Almost a week in yellow, one other significant brek, Mondory, Riblon and Roche adding a few top 10s

Otherwise, the two best teams for their sponsors would have to be Saxo who were yellow for near a week and have had two wins, and Columbia, with four, Green and White jerseys, and especially with Cavendish's sponsor specific celebrations - HTC must have their advertising in sports mags for the next two years wrapped up!
User avatar Bluebeard
Junior Member
 
Posts: 207
Joined: 10 Mar 2009 10:57

17 Jul 2009 11:02

While this was not the question, not the topic of this thread,
I am also pretty much disappointed with the results of the German riders so far.

Tony Martin being the only exception.
He could end up in the top 20.

And Fröhlingers good ride to Andorra is worth mentioning as well.
fungee
Newly Registered Member
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 17 Jul 2009 07:44
Location: Hamburg, Germany

17 Jul 2009 16:49

Timmy-loves-Rabo wrote:Teams who do excellent considering thier budget:
Saxobank, Liquigas, Caisse and Garmin


I'm not trying to be a troll, but you can't compare Saxo to the other 3. Saxo has a stage win and had the yellow jersey, none of the other 3 can say that.

I would say Cervelo has been excellent based on their budget, 2 wins so far and multiple turns with the green jersey.

Timmy-loves-Rabo wrote:Rabobank and Katusha - considering the money they spend compared to others - are disapointing on a whole.


Agree on these 2, plus QS.
User avatar BeachBum
Junior Member
 
Posts: 226
Joined: 07 Jul 2009 18:32
Location: on the beach

17 Jul 2009 17:01

Bluebeard wrote:AG2R (€7.3m) Almost a week in yellow, one other significant brek, Mondory, Riblon and Roche adding a few top 10s


Don't forget everyone talking about their kit :o
User avatar luckyboy
Veteran
 
Posts: 8,508
Joined: 26 May 2009 21:26

18 Jul 2009 00:14

luckyboy wrote:Don't forget everyone talking about their kit :o
I love that kit, that was marketing brilliance.
User avatar grimpeur
Junior Member
 
Posts: 156
Joined: 20 Mar 2009 00:39

PreviousNext

Return to Professional road racing

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: claude cat, drj12, Google Adsense [Bot], Valv.Piti and 16 guests

Back to top