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Which tyres for Paris-Roubaix? Whose time trial bike is fastest? Suspension mountain bikes or singlespeeders? Talk equipment here.

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22 Jun 2018 16:46

I doubt it. Probably more for marketing reasons...like disc brakes in the peloton, largely pointless.
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25 Jun 2018 13:03

jmdirt wrote:
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macbindle wrote:Interesting. I'm still not entirely sure what the point of 1x11 is.


It has more of a point in MTB and CX. Remove the FD and you remove a location that can collect dirt and twigs, you make shifting patterns easier and you can reduce the number of dropped chains (most people I know run narrow-wide, chain guide/catcher and a clutch mech) which is a much more significant problem off-road.


On the road all these benefits are reduced by a large amount.

1X wasn't to get rid of a collection area. FS frame designers have long wished the demise of the front derailer. SRAM has never made a front derailer that worked so they gave up and went 1X. Frame designers celebrated. My last bike purchase was a Scott Spark 910. I could get it with either 2X or 1X Shimano and chose 2X because of the closer cog jumps, and better chain line. 12 cog systems help with the jumps, but make the chain line even worse. Also, I don't think that dropped chains have been an issue for many years, but especially since clutch type rear derailers made their debut.

Are they dabbling with it on the road for aerodynamic reasons?


Nope, marketing, particularly from Spam..1x on the ROAD answers no question, solves no problem..front ders work spectacularly everyday..even spam, if set up right.
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02 Jul 2018 16:55

Bustedknuckle wrote:1x on the ROAD answers no question, solves no problem.


What do you know about 1x? You've never owned any... Reminiscent of your stance on disc brakes... :lol:
Stick to spamming the 'U.S. Politics' thread, that's more up your alley.
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10 Jul 2018 13:12

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:1x on the ROAD answers no question, solves no problem.


What do you know about 1x? You've never owned any... Reminiscent of your stance on disc brakes... :lol:
Stick to spamming the 'U.S. Politics' thread, that's more up your alley.


Big sigh..see you haven't changed..must be lonely at the 'top'.

Your buds at Aqua-Blue are thrilled with their spam 1by stuff...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-suisse-bike-mechanical-costs-christian-a-shot-at-stage-victory/

I'm SURE you could have done it 'better'...
Stick to spamming the 'U.S. Politics' thread, that's more up your alley.


I didn't know you were one of the 'true believers'..no surprise there. :lol:
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10 Jul 2018 13:33

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:1x on the ROAD answers no question, solves no problem.


What do you know about 1x? You've never owned any... Reminiscent of your stance on disc brakes... :lol:
Stick to spamming the 'U.S. Politics' thread, that's more up your alley.


Not really equivalent though is it. You cant tell much about disc brakes by using rim brakes, but you can learn something about 1x by using a double...ie. The chainline across ratios on a 1x is always going to be sh1tter than the chainline on a double.

It is one supposed technical advance in which I can't see any benefit on road.
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10 Jul 2018 16:31

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Big sigh..see you haven't changed..must be lonely at the 'top'.


Of course, I actually buy and use what I'm talking about. You know, that all-elusive thing.... experience. If you wanna call that the "top", sure. It's not lonely though, actually pretty crowded.

Your buds at Aqua-Blue are thrilled with their spam 1by stuff...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-suisse-bike-mechanical-costs-christian-a-shot-at-stage-victory/

I'm SURE you could have done it 'better'...


Absolutely! I've set up about a dozen 3T Stradas this year and nobody has come back complaining about anything.

When somebody drops a chain on a 2x and costs them time, win, whatever, (which happens too believe it or not) who gets the blame? Usually the part or the mechanic. If you actually READ the article you're using in your flimsy defense, it was most likely the rear der losing clutch tension. Maybe even "too long of a chain" (that would be on the mechanic). Well, people drop chains and parts fail all the time from every brand long before 1x made it to the road. Cut rate mechanics who only made it on the team bus because of who they know, not for their technical prowess. No wiggle room there, that is fact, and you know it. Your attempt to burn at the stake before it's even in the ground is your modus operandi, totally get it. Need we remind everybody your unbelievable bias against Sram as well? You don't exactly exude objectivity.

I didn't know you were one of the 'true believers'..no surprise there. :lol:


Nah, not really. Assumptions make you look more stupid than anything. We definitely agree more politically than with bike things. I just think your spam-like soapboxing and trolling platform is awfully gauche. Like an unruly child throwing a tantrum at the store. Too bad your parents aren't around to make you behave.
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10 Jul 2018 16:55

macbindle wrote:
Not really equivalent though is it. You can tell much about disc brakes by using rim brakes, but you can learn something about 1x by using a double...ie. The chainline across ratios on a 1x is always going to be sh1tter than the chainline on a double.


No. You learn about disc by using disc. You learn about 1x by using 1x. Did you just walk out of a Twilight Zone marathon session?

It is one supposed technical advance in which I can't see any benefit on road.


Well, at least you have options.
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10 Jul 2018 16:58

Just corrected a typo in my post, should have said 'can't' about discs.

Yes, I have options, but I already know that 1x offers me nothing on a road bike, other than a sh1tter chainline.

It won't catch on ;)
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10 Jul 2018 17:20

To you personally... Doesn't mean the option shouldn't exist because you don't get it. If 1x chain line is so dang bad, then why would anybody bother with it? Mtb,Cx,Gravel.... Road isn't the exception, it's just the most resistant to change. We already know this.
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10 Jul 2018 17:33

Ive no objection to it existing, and I can see the point of it for off-road. Just not for road. I've got a carbon bike with DI2, hydro discs and tubeless tyres so I'm not your average Phillistine.

Yes, you are probably right about road riders being most resistant to change...but even within road-riders there is a huge range. If you want reactionaries try riding a randonée/brevet/audax :D
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10 Jul 2018 17:56

Man, you are typo heavy today! "I can see the point of it for off-road. Just not for off-road". Whatever, I get it. :lol:

I don't buy the 'fine for dirt but not road' excuse. Road didn't like the idea of adopting threadless headsets or PF BB's either. Both tech came from the dirt.

So your presumed poor chain line is fine for the dirt but not for the precious road. I got you, mang. :rolleyes:
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10 Jul 2018 18:01

Its hot here and Im tired :D

Yes, I agree with you about the take up of new technology, but then the MTB world isn't labouring under the legacy of Campagnolo (No longer any better, and arguably worse than Shimano) and people saying 'steel is real'.

I acknowledge and accept this but I still think 1x gives no advantages on the road....and I'm not a luddite
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10 Jul 2018 18:19

Which begs the question.... You come to your conclusion by theory, or by experience?
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10 Jul 2018 18:22

I haven't used one, I'll admit. But as per previous post Im pretty sure there is less difference in function between 1x and 2x, than there is between disc and rim brake.

Just to spite you I'll go and borrow my mates 1x :p
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12 Jul 2018 12:17

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
We definitely agree more politically than with bike things


But I'll bet you love his 'style'...like looking in a mirror, that.
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12 Jul 2018 19:35

Check out the chain routing on the World Cup leaders 1X bike:
https://www.commencalusa.com/supreme-dh-v43-team-2019-c2x26304905
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13 Jul 2018 02:32

Bustedknuckle wrote:
Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
We definitely agree more politically than with bike things


But I'll bet you love his 'style'...like looking in a mirror, that.


5 year old get a hold of your account? Ok, I'll play too... I'm a Vampire you dumb schmuck! WTF do I need with a mirror? :rolleyes:
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13 Jul 2018 12:21

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:
Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
We definitely agree more politically than with bike things


But I'll bet you love his 'style'...like looking in a mirror, that.


5 year old get a hold of your account? Ok, I'll play too... I'm a Vampire you dumb schmuck! WTF do I need with a mirror? :rolleyes:


An argumentative, condescending, rude, pri%k..yup, got it.
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14 Jul 2018 21:15

macbindle wrote:I haven't used one, I'll admit. But as per previous post Im pretty sure there is less difference in function between 1x and 2x, than there is between disc and rim brake.

Just to spite you I'll go and borrow my mates 1x :p


Yeah, of course you should at least try something before making up your mind. Funny that it's always the biggest critics who never even tried the technology that end up whining about it the most. You can read all the reviews and comparisons and internet chatter and white papers about this tech or that tech, but it becomes a fairly redundant conversation unless you have some miles on something to back up an opinion. Same thing happened with the disc brake thread, trolled to no end by people who never even pulled a lever on one.

If you get in a full ride or race on the road with 1x I can guarantee with the utmost certainty that you will be 1 of maybe 3 people on this entire forum that can claim that they rode it further than doing circles in the parking lot of a bike shop. Even if you decide 1x isn't for you..at least you have the hands on experience and are qualified to talk about it :exclaim:
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