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25 Apr 2015 21:45

MarkvW wrote:
ray j willings wrote:Walk in the Park ,,,,that's worked out well for the US in the past. The US are the reason half the world is at war. Military complex of power and cash. Life is cheap always has been. The fox news fan boys are mind controlled idiots.


"Half the world" is not at war.

I just wanted to check out this thread to see whether the criticisms of you are valid.

They are.

Do you read the news what part of the world is not at war "war on terror"
its actually more than half the world but I was using it to make a point.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/world-peace-these-are-the-only-11-countries-in-the-world-that-are-actually-free-from-conflict-9669623.html

"I just wanted to check out this thread to see whether the criticisms of you are valid" You need to get out more :D
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Yesterday 05:12

python wrote:i know you brought this up several times already - but, even though closing the strait is a nuclear option for iran, it is by far not the preferred one, nor the only one. moreover, being the last resort option, if exercised, it would almost certainly invite a devastation to iran's economy, while the world would experience a temporary deep hickup.


but it is not a nuclear option. it is just a game of brinkmanship, or brinksmanship. It is an option on the table, that will never be used. In corporate Wall Street terms, or politics journalism leaker/source terms... Like Israel's Samson option. The fact that most jewish people live in the diaspora, they would not use a Samson option destroying the world.

This is not a legitimate option for Iran. It is however, a tool that is unsaid, on the negotiating table.

In about 2002 when the had Talibs and Al Qaeda militants in custody, and were ready to hand them over to the Americans, but there were no diplomatic pathways to reignite communication and operation n cooperation, they(the persians) kept on developing the nuclear centrifuges, NOT FOR A NUKE, but for energy, *~2-3%enrichement, medical isotopes ~20% enrichment, for procedures such as x-rays and other $hit)

THEY NEVER DEVELOPED THE CENTRIFUGES FOR NUKES BUT FOR NEGOTIATION HAND.

it was a meta, or counter-factual asset to negotiate away. They only developed the capacity, to negotiate away, dialectic tactic. (building something false, to use it to negotiate for things like removal of sanctions.)
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Yesterday 11:27

python wrote:busted, i have no reason to disbelieve your claim of being a retired navy pilot, but sometimes your dismissive, simplistic and cavalier statements about america's adversaries being drunkards and only fit for body bags make me wonder...your 'walk in the park' attitude seems the shortest way to seeing more americans coming home in body bags...

One real us air force colonel (2,000 flight hours and 240 combat hours) with his up-to-date training) feels almost opposite of you. here's what he said:
We have studied it and trained to counter it for years. While we are not scared of it, we respect the S-300 for what it is: a very mobile, accurate, and lethal missile system.

if interested, read about his take further here:
Russia’s Sale of the S-300 to Iran Will Shift Military Balance Across the Middle East
http://blogs.cfr.org/davidson/2015/04/20/russias-sale-of-the-s-300-to-iran-will-shift-military-balance-across-the-middle-east/
he goes further by telling the truth that a full 1/2 of american pilots 'are not trained to the level necessary for the “high-end fight.” In light of proliferation developments such as this Russian deal with Iran, that is not a reassuring statistic'


Only 2000 hours and a O-5? I guess a staff guy too. Ya know, the SA-2 during VietNam was a real terror also until we learned how to 'fight' it. It's no different than the S-300 now. Two things I will mention.
First, any air interdiction campaign will be multi layered, with lots of intel. No more large formations of B-52s flying into a SAM envelope. It will be at night.
Second, the military is given a mission, by the civilian leadership. It's the job of the military to carry it out..with knowledge, confidence, and to do it successfully. Because the mission of the military is to kill people and break things and force the adversary to the negotiation table. Nobody dislikes combat more than those who have to do it..and hopefully the civilians who then negotiate don't goon it up(Second Gulf War).

The members of the military show confidence and use their training and superior equipment to get it done. The above O-5, in spite of low flight time(I have 5000 hrs+, in 20 years of flying), does the military no favors by saying that the aircrew are not traoned..maybe in the USAF...
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Yesterday 11:32

ray j willings wrote:Walk in the Park ,,,,that's worked out well for the US in the past. The US are the reason half the world is at war. Military complex of power and cash. Life is cheap always has been. The fox news fan boys are mind controlled idiots.


Remember the messes are created by civilian politicians, not the military. The military is given a mission, they do it with aplomb, no whining and mincing, like 'some' civilians. The ones who dislike combat the most are those who must do it. So 'civilians', who cower in their penthouse apartments can have their latte in the morning.

BTW-again, I dislike Faux news. Never watch it, not MSNBC, not that either.

I can tell you have never been in the military ray..I wonder if you are from a more 'liberal' Euro nation..Netherlands perhaps, Denmark?
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Yesterday 12:28

Busted, Chris Hedges, War Gives Us Meaning.

Maslow's Hammer-standing army. MERC. K-Street.

4 star ambitions. gotta get ur combat experience.
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Yesterday 13:25

Bustedknuckle wrote:
ray j willings wrote:Walk in the Park ,,,,that's worked out well for the US in the past. The US are the reason half the world is at war. Military complex of power and cash. Life is cheap always has been. The fox news fan boys are mind controlled idiots.


Remember the messes are created by civilian politicians, not the military. The military is given a mission, they do it with aplomb, no whining and mincing, like 'some' civilians. The ones who dislike combat the most are those who must do it. So 'civilians', who cower in their penthouse apartments can have their latte in the morning.

BTW-again, I dislike Faux news. Never watch it, not MSNBC, not that either.

I can tell you have never been in the military ray..I wonder if you are from a more 'liberal' Euro nation..Netherlands perhaps, Denmark?



I Agree with you. I am from London. Born in Hackney "mean streets, not joking"
Dad was English My mum was Irish.
I am a musician so I get where your coming from in your assumptions. We are so easy to pin down.
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Yesterday 16:47

busted, i can't quite figure your logic...

your statements on the us military mission success and the winning attitude can be read on every wall of any us army recruiting office. i don't think those dogmatic stamps added anything to my understanding of the missile sales...but that's your legitimate opinion, and i am fine with that.

but you putting down an opinion of a fellow military pilot b/c he flew fewer hours than you is just puzzling b/c it narrows down to a classic fallacy, 'i am right b/c my dijk is bigger' :confused: his comments imo sound more relevant than yours b/c he was trained, as he said, to avoid the very s-300, you never were....
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even more puzzling was your criticizing him for telling the truth about half of the us pilots not being fit for the iran-like mission. here was the american officer who most likely was trying to alert his compatriots to the sad truth - perhaps he was concerned with his fellow untrained pilots coming home in the body bag - and you found him 'not doing the military favours :rolleyes:

i doubt the officer said anything not in the public domain. he probably said it to enhance his opinion of the s-300 being a serious threat if approached with a cavalier attitude like yours, but you criticized him b/c of inferences with your stateted attitude of a 'walk in the park' :confused:

look, i respect your opinions but this was the last time i addressed them should they deal with any military matters.
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Yesterday 19:04

python wrote:busted, i can't quite figure your logic...

your statements on the us military mission success and the winning attitude can be read on every wall of any us army recruiting office. i don't think those dogmatic stamps added anything to my understanding of the missile sales...but that's your legitimate opinion, and i am fine with that.

but you putting down an opinion of a fellow military pilot b/c he flew fewer hours than you is just puzzling b/c it narrows down to a classic fallacy, 'i am right b/c my dijk is bigger' :confused: his comments imo sound more relevant than yours b/c he was trained, as he said, to avoid the very s-300, you never were....
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even more puzzling was your criticizing him for telling the truth about half of the us pilots not being fit for the iran-like mission. here was the american officer who most likely was trying to alert his compatriots to the sad truth - perhaps he was concerned with his fellow untrained pilots coming home in the body bag - and you found him 'not doing the military favours :rolleyes:

i doubt the officer said anything not in the public domain. he probably said it to enhance his opinion of the s-300 being a serious threat if approached with a cavalier attitude like yours, but you criticized him b/c of inferences with your stateted attitude of a 'walk in the park' :confused:

look, i respect your opinions but this was the last time i addressed them should they deal with any military matters.



A very wise USN O-6 once told me, "they don't know how bad it is unless you tell them". It's not this lower ranking USAF officer job, particularly if he indeed was on active duty, to comment on aircrew readiness, unless that was his job as directed by a superior. THAT'S why I criticize him. And how do you know I never trained to fly in the S-300 envelope? I mentioned VietNam, common knowledge, LineBacker and Rolling Thunder.

You get your mission, you do it to the best of your ability. No whining. If this O-5 is unhappy or feels he is untrained, he should vote with his feet. If his squadron mates are 'untrained', as a O-5, train them as good as you can. I suspect he isn't in command of a squadron either nor has he been.
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Yesterday 21:25

FoxxyBrown1111 wrote:
Amsterhammer wrote:Yes, all that and worse. Go play on 'stormfront' or on some other fascist, white supremacist page with your like minded far right goons. Your views are grossly offensive to any rational folks. I am severely biting my lip here so as to avoid a ban.


Yo lol. Saw it coming... Serious, everything I wrote has got nothing to do with "Stormfront", "white supremacist", or else slaps you try to make below waist line... Go back to school to improve your reading skills. That is all advice I can give.

All I did was (as usual) linking hard facts. And, also as usual, you counter with insults. Why? Because you have no arguments, thus playing the same old dumb game of calling those who don´t follow the ideologies of the blinded fake lefties as fascists.
If I take your thinking 100% serious, you also mean to call whole Australia as fascist, because they don´t follow your line.
Wow! The last guy I remember to insult a whole country was Lance Armstrong. You made it, going as low as him. Congrats.


Australians want to control immigration precisely to the degree that they don't need the riff raff and are safely ensconsed in their remote, prosperous, post-aboriginal haven. Funny how that works, doesn't it?

The only thing that is certain about the poor in Africa, is that they don't have a voice and they certainly don't have the right to a passport of access to the so called developed world.

The corollary of this, of course, has been the centuries of colonialism and overpowering that the West has brought, and certainly without even the need of a passport, into their domain.
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Today 00:21

movingtarget wrote:
blackcat wrote:australians are cnuts, take it from me, rolled gold pudendum, asked Oncearunner, he has a phd in pussy


But hang on they stopped the boats ! At the moment I am trying to outlast the ANZAC porn. One more day otherwise I will be putting my head under water maybe permanently. Interesting that the offer made to illegals to go to Cambodia and live as Monty Pythonesque as it sounds was taken up by one guy. He looked lonely getting on the plane. SBS interviewed the only family that has taken the offer and they have opened a restaurant. Did not seem to have many customers and in today's Guardian, Farage was commenting that Australia's immigration policy was too extreme ! But it seems both sides of politics in Australia think the same way and the Greens want an open door policy for everyone basically. I don't think many countries realize that Australia has done a deal with Cambodia to take illegals that landed in Australia. Of course that money given to the Cambodians will go straight into very deep pockets. Economic refugees are a reality but there is also many Tamils that no doubt meet the criteria for humanitarian status and some of the Iranians and Syrians as well. But it seems at the moment the majority attempting to get to Australia are Iranians. It seems the Sri Lankans have lost interest and don't want to end up in Camdodia or PNG.

Australian refugee policy is embarassing and horrific, it makes me sick to my stomach to think that there is a serious percentage who think it's good policy. Then Tony Abbott has the nerve to say that Australians are sick of being lectured to by the UN. WTF? He certainly doesn't speak for me.

The dog whistling and appeals to the lowest common denominator is beyond disgusting. I'm getting scared by what could eventuate with some of the lunatics getting around. Those stupid Reclaim Australia rallies had actual neo Nazis present yet there were several prominent political commentators who chose to obect to the counter protestors - in the mainstream media no less!

Which side would people here choose in this confrontation?

Image

For a good scare check these out:

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FADL-Australian-Defence-League%2F213679261984140&ei=WIA9VeWwHYmoNrWugdgM&usg=AFQjCNGLJIcsTEgJEmoMLCy55yIRC02LXw&bvm=bv.91665533,d.eXY

Yes, Islam has serious issues but this is going off the charts. These guys are whack jobs hoping for a reaction.
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Today 00:46

[quote="[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1693840#p1693840]42x16ss
Australian refugee policy is embarassing and horrific, it makes me sick to my stomach to think that there is a serious percentage who think it's good policy. Then Tony Abbott has the nerve to say that Australians are sick of being lectured to by the UN. WTF? He certainly doesn't speak for me.

The dog whistling and appeals to the lowest common denominator is beyond disgusting. I'm getting scared by what could eventuate with some of the lunatics getting around. Those stupid Reclaim Australia rallies had actual neo Nazis present yet there were several prominent political commentators who chose to obect to the counter protestors - in the mainstream media no less!

Which side would people here choose in this confrontation?

Image

For a good scare check these out:



Yes, Islam has serious issues but this is going off the charts. These guys are whack jobs hoping for a reaction.[/quote]

With regard to your question about the photo above, virtually all on this forum would side with the anti racists. Foxxxy, on the other hand, would side with the skinhead.
The LOTE has won, all hail the LOTE!
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Today 08:43

42x16ss wrote:Yes, Islam has serious issues but this is going off the charts. These guys are whack jobs hoping for a reaction.


Islam is not the problem here. It's just an excuse found by left-winger to talk about immigration. As Adrien Abauzit suggests: "We may not talk about Maghrebis as Maghrebis because that would be racist but we may talk about them as Muslims because we may criticise religions."

But at least here in Belgium, Islam is totally off topic. In the sixties, it was no problem, we had full employment and needed workforce for our coal mines. But today, immigration becomes a problem because we got no more jobs to offer them and that they would inevitably fall into delinquence and riff raff, which are liberal phenomena that started with the youth culture of the sixties (mods, rockers, black jacket, etc.) here in Europe & the US, something that the liberals obviously don't want to see. It's a Western phenomenon, and it suggests self-criticism on our part. The theological canons of Islam however have nothing to do with this, they are more on the reaction side. That's what I been trying to explain to my dear friend BigMac but I don't know he reads me. :)
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Today 09:36

Echoes wrote:
42x16ss wrote:Yes, Islam has serious issues but this is going off the charts. These guys are whack jobs hoping for a reaction.


Islam is not the problem here. It's just an excuse found by left-winger to talk about immigration. As Adrien Abauzit suggests: "We may not talk about Maghrebis as Maghrebis because that would be racist but we may talk about them as Muslims because we may criticise religions."

But at least here in Belgium, Islam is totally off topic. In the sixties, it was no problem, we had full employment and needed workforce for our coal mines. But today, immigration becomes a problem because we got no more jobs to offer them and that they would inevitably fall into delinquence and riff raff, which are liberal phenomena that started with the youth culture of the sixties (mods, rockers, black jacket, etc.) here in Europe & the US, something that the liberals obviously don't want to see. It's a Western phenomenon, and it suggests self-criticism on our part. The theological canons of Islam however have nothing to do with this, they are more on the reaction side. That's what I been trying to explain to my dear friend BigMac but I don't know he reads me. :)

Interesting. Things must be different in Belgium because the anti immigration movement is coming from the right wing over here. Unlike Continental Europe Australia still has the capacity to expand and be inclusive of immigrants.

You may not know this but Australia had a strict "White Australia Policy" regarding immigration that was only removed in the late 60's :eek:
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