a thought provoking compilation of opinions ! i find it hard to believe but not entirely exclusionary, that the plotters would inform washington in advance, though, as one of the panelists noted, that's been the practice for various plotters...of course, an indirect evidence for such a theory would seem to find a support in the hard-nosed position the state dept took re, gulen, both his legal shelter and extradition.Starstruck wrote:python wrote:i remain very curious, though admittedly its an academic if not an irrelevant concern NOW, what and how would change had the plotters prevail ? what were their ultimate goals ?
to assume they would reverse any and all erdogan policies seems too simplistic.
some commentators point at the previous military coups for clues as trying to keep the political islam in check. i'd buy that. others point at the multiple erdogan international failures for the clues. i'd buy that too. yet others suggest the putsch was merely a self-defense, a preventative reaction of a part of the military that knew they were to be cleansed within days...
perhaps its a misfortune they did not prevail ?
oh, i almost forgot, erdogan is now accusing washington as an accomplice for roofing gulen demands his extradition, while kerry calmly suggested to file the appropriate papers which erdogan curiously never did...
it's as if the us long-term policy towards erdogan (not to be confused with turkey per se) was to keep him on the short leash. compared to a longer leash afforded other 'more responsible' nato allies.
agree with the bolded entirely...yet, the unbolded part - the alleged support for democracy - needs some corrections. 1st, the erdogan pre-coup authoritarian system could be hardly called a democracy, though, as i said before, it's considerably more competitive than, for instance, the putin authoritarian model. 2nd, while it is true that many turks support erdogan, a huge chunk don't including the kurds and other minorities..what is going on,to a large extent is a survival chanting, or a realignment with the winnerSeriousSam wrote:python wrote:perhaps its a misfortune they did not prevail ?
The Turkish people and the opposition parties seem to prefer their democracy, with all its problems, to military dictatorship, though a secular military dictatorship more subservient to Nato interests than Erdogan could indeed have been a useful tool for the west in the short term