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22 May 2016 12:26

Picot-Sykes reminds me of Lawrence of Arabia (the film).

Treaty of Sèvres, is that not the agreement between Guy Mollet (left-wing French PM) and Anthony Eden after Nasser nationalised the Canal?
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23 May 2016 12:35

...so, austria the birthplace of you know who is about to make a hard right. the 1st hard right in europe in a while. who's next ? france ?
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Re: World Politics

23 May 2016 13:28

In France, Marine Le Pen is not as popular as media say. The FN has never exceeded the threshold of 14% of the registered active population. If she seems popular, that is because abstention dramatically goes up.

The thing is also that Marine Le Pen takes a lot from the left-wing agenda: defence of the secularist public school system, Islamophobia in the name of secularism, pro-Europe and pro-Nato. She's been vividly criticized on her right side.
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23 May 2016 21:32

python wrote:...so, austria the birthplace of you know who is about to make a hard right. the 1st hard right in europe in a while. who's next ? france ?


Well, the hard right lost. Just.

I'm slightly surprised at the rise of the right in Austria, and especially Vienna. Austria is a very safe, well off country compared to many in Europe and I feel that despite many migrants having come to or through Austria, it has not been that badly affected. Sure, enough to warrant hatred of the main parties and gain of the Freedom party, but not enough to warrant almost a victory of the hard right.

I guess maybe then that this shift has been a long time coming, the migrant crisis only exasperating and accelerating the rise. Not having followed Austrian politics that closely, I cannot be sure, or know. I have to admit though, Vienna turning so far right surprised me no end. A city that has consistently stayed red since WW2, the 2nd most liveable in the world and the most in Europe, with rents fairly low and safety and cleanliness high from an outside perspective voting against the SPÖ, which seems to have done a pretty decent job there, is confusing, at least for me. However, the migrant crisis has affected Vienna far more than any other city in Austria.

The next country to turn hard right is either Netherlands or Denmark. Le Pen has many detractors from Left, Right and Centre. In the run off polls she loses even to Hollande, whom nobody likes. The Lega Nord have little chance in Italy, though M5S might have a shot if they can come up with more than 4 coherent points to argue about. Belgium have Vlaams Belang, but AFAIK they aren't too close yet. Netherlands and Denmark are 100% the next Western European states to turn right. Jobbik in Hungary also, and Our Slovakia in, you guessed it: Slovakia, are also in ascendancy. The former is an islamophobic fascist. Like openly fascist.
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24 May 2016 00:10

With the can kicked even further down the road, how long can Greece hold on? With the IMF pushing other Europeans (read: Germany) to cough up more cash to bailout the country in exchange for even deeper austerity measures of spending cuts (on top of the €14b already in place) and new taxes on alcohol, tobacco, fuel, internet usage, cars, hotels, as well as an increase in the basic value-added tax rate from 23 to 24 percent.
No prospect of Greece meeting the draconian terms of its current bail-out plan and that debt interest payments on the soaring national debt would eat up 60% of the budget by 2060 in the absence of debt forgiveness.

So they're giving them more money, in exchange for even deeper cuts and higher taxes?

People were seen burning Euro notes in the streets of Athens this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/may/23/greece-bailout-funds-austerity-eurozone-economy-live
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24 May 2016 00:34

Alpe d'Huez wrote:With the can kicked even further down the road, how long can Greece hold on? With the IMF pushing other Europeans (read: Germany) to cough up more cash to bailout the country in exchange for even deeper austerity measures of spending cuts (on top of the €14b already in place) and new taxes on alcohol, tobacco, fuel, internet usage, cars, hotels, as well as an increase in the basic value-added tax rate from 23 to 24 percent.
No prospect of Greece meeting the draconian terms of its current bail-out plan and that debt interest payments on the soaring national debt would eat up 60% of the budget by 2060 in the absence of debt forgiveness.

So they're giving them more money, in exchange for even deeper cuts and higher taxes?

People were seen burning Euro notes in the streets of Athens this week.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/may/23/greece-bailout-funds-austerity-eurozone-economy-live


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..... no, they're giving the banks and their spawn more money...and then there is the selling off of the country....

PERIES: Now why are the lenders then acting the way they are?

HUDSON: Because they’re using finance as the new means of war. There is a war going on in Europe but it’s not a military war anymore. They’re now using finance instead of war and they’re using finance to say, we can grab your country. We can put you out of work. We can control you and we don’t have to kill you, we can just make you immigrate by taking away your pensions and taking all your money. There’s a land grab just as if it were an invasion to grab Greece’s ports, to grab Greece’s railroads, and to grab everything else. This is war
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But there’s a bitter class war of debtors against creditors or creditors against debtors going on in Europe and all they can do right now is expose the hypocrisy of the IMF. If you’re talking about Greece, let’s juxtapose the IMF supporting a really insolvent economy of [ ] in the Ukraine.

The IMF is preparing to bail out Ukraine, to say you don’t have to pay your debts that you owe to Russia or any governments that the U.S. doesn’t like.
You have to sell off your land to George [Sherouse] and the people who the U.S. government does like. Look at the duel standard that the IMF is imposing on Greece compared to what it’s doing for the Ukrainian government. You see that the IMF has become a tool of the New Cold War and the Syriza people and the Greeks can do is point out how unfair this is and to try to let the world know that what is happening is a movement way to the right wing of the political spectrum and that finance is war.


PERIES: Finally, Michael, what choice does the Greek government have? What can they do?

HUDSON: Mr. Tsipras says they have no choice. He says the choice is only to surrender and in fact the argument now is not between Greece and the IMF. Not between Greece and Germany or Europe. The arguments that keep going on are solely between the IMF and Germany as to whether the IMF is going to break its traditional rules and make a loan in violation of all of its principles. Under its articles of agreement, the IMF is not allowed to make a loan to a government that cannot afford to repay the loan. All of the staff of the IMF have unanimously found that Greece cannot pay the loan because the terms of IMF loans, the conditionalities, shrink the economy and make it impossible to pay.

So the IMF says that we’re going to break the rules of that and we’re going to lend, essentially because the U.S. tells us to do that and Greece is going to have to pay so we can demonstrate that if Spain tries to stand up and pay its pensions to people, if France pays its labor, if Italy pays its labor, we’re going to smash their economies, we’re going to smash their labor unions, and we’re going to smash their labor just as we do to Greece. Greece is a demonstration very much like when the Nazis bombed Spain, in the Picasso drew the great drawing for. This is the IMF’s version of the Nazi bombing of Spain to say, this is what’s going to happen to labor throughout Europe if you don’t surrender.



http://www.unz.com/mhudson/the-financial-invasion-of-greece/

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24 May 2016 08:40

Brullnux wrote:
python wrote:...so, austria the birthplace of you know who is about to make a hard right. the 1st hard right in europe in a while. who's next ? france ?


Well, the hard right lost. Just.

I'm slightly surprised at the rise of the right in Austria, and especially Vienna. Austria is a very safe, well off country compared to many in Europe and I feel that despite many migrants having come to or through Austria, it has not been that badly affected. Sure, enough to warrant hatred of the main parties and gain of the Freedom party, but not enough to warrant almost a victory of the hard right.

I guess maybe then that this shift has been a long time coming, the migrant crisis only exasperating and accelerating the rise. Not having followed Austrian politics that closely, I cannot be sure, or know. I have to admit though, Vienna turning so far right surprised me no end. A city that has consistently stayed red since WW2, the 2nd most liveable in the world and the most in Europe, with rents fairly low and safety and cleanliness high from an outside perspective voting against the SPÖ, which seems to have done a pretty decent job there, is confusing, at least for me. However, the migrant crisis has affected Vienna far more than any other city in Austria.

The next country to turn hard right is either Netherlands or Denmark. Le Pen has many detractors from Left, Right and Centre. In the run off polls she loses even to Hollande, whom nobody likes. The Lega Nord have little chance in Italy, though M5S might have a shot if they can come up with more than 4 coherent points to argue about. Belgium have Vlaams Belang, but AFAIK they aren't too close yet. Netherlands and Denmark are 100% the next Western European states to turn right. Jobbik in Hungary also, and Our Slovakia in, you guessed it: Slovakia, are also in ascendancy. The former is an islamophobic fascist. Like openly fascist.
excellent summary of the european far-right, though some of them could be termed populist. of course, it is the anti-immigration and anti-muslim sentiments that turns many voters. i'd agree that wilders' rhetoric is particularly dangerous...regarding the semi-authoritarian regimes in europe, i am particularly concerned with poland. no so much for their domestic, anti-democratic policies - which at the end of the day are their own business - but more with poland's increasingly obvious role of leading 'new europe' against the 'old'.

of all the countries in the east, poland has the population, good economy and the improving standard of living to become a defacto leader among the former communist block states. their foreign policy has increasingly been based on playing america against 'old europe'. also, it was the polish-american effort that helped to fuel the 'revolution' in ukraine. it's rather obvious that provoking the bear can spark another military conflict in no time...
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24 May 2016 11:34

Austria just showed the deepening chasm between urban citizens and rural areas. Paradoxically, the lower the number of migrants in an area, the higher the vote share of the hard right.
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24 May 2016 16:32

Turkey is ****.Enough said.Jail sentences will be coming left and right.Erdogan and his police will probably kill innocent people and give jail sentences to the parliamentarians after the last laws in our country.The Islamists have the majority and our country is ****.
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27 May 2016 11:38

can't get bored in the world we live in...

syria is under airstrikes, the socialist france is under labour strikes and the only american press i have some respect for talks of curbing evil human nature in hiroshima in stead of apologizing for his countries horrendous war crime :rolleyes:

i am off shopping.
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27 May 2016 11:57

....well isn't this special....

Australia scrubbed from UN climate change report after government intervention


Every reference to Australia was scrubbed from the final version of a major UN report on climate change after the Australian government intervened, objecting that the information could harm tourism.

Guardian Australia can reveal the report “World Heritage and Tourism in a Changing Climate”, which Unesco jointly published with the United Nations environment program and the Union of Concerned Scientists on Friday, initially had a key chapter on the Great Barrier Reef, as well as small sections on Kakadu and the Tasmanian forests.

But when the Australian Department of Environment saw a draft of the report, it objected, and every mention of Australia was removed by Unesco. Will Steffen, one of the scientific reviewers of the axed section on the reef, said Australia’s move was reminiscent of “the old Soviet Union”.

No sections about any other country were removed from the report. The removals left Australia as the only inhabited continent on the planet with no mentions.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/27/australia-scrubbed-from-un-climate-change-report-after-government-intervention

." "Come to our beautiful Great Barrier Reef! What's that, it's bleached and dying? Why, of course not, it's a World Heritage Site, and there's nothing in the reports about that, is there? It must be your eyes. Hand over your money anyway


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27 May 2016 11:59

Forever The Best wrote:Turkey is ****.Enough said.Jail sentences will be coming left and right.Erdogan and his police will probably kill innocent people and give jail sentences to the parliamentarians after the last laws in our country.The Islamists have the majority and our country is ****.


....so what do you see as a solution that has a reasonable chance of succeeding in making things more better....?.....

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27 May 2016 14:30

Forever The Best wrote:Turkey is ****.Enough said.Jail sentences will be coming left and right.Erdogan and his police will probably kill innocent people and give jail sentences to the parliamentarians after the last laws in our country.The Islamists have the majority and our country is ****.

Are you Turkish?
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27 May 2016 20:24

vlad has just completed his 2-day official visit to greece (the press conference ended 5 mins ago)

greece the eu memebr. the nato member. the same greece that was forced to its knees by the eu and imf demands a year ago and that tried to play - unsuccessfully - the russian card before it was forced to completely give up to all conditions. curiously, this visit coincided with another imf credit (or not) to the stumbling greek economy....
the 2 day visit by itself was quite rare.

did greece try again paying the russian card ? if so, why did russia agree to be played ?

i have my thoughts, it is multidimensional i think, but the anti-sultanate, anti-american, anti-eu motives ain't the last and the least methinks. plus - both mr. tsipras and vlad hinted thickly at the new natural gas route after the bulgarian and turkish gazprom variants had been thwarted.

interesting !
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27 May 2016 23:33

Ed March has been riding his Honda c90 around the world and his favorite country at this point is ....Iran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2LEgowbzSc

Politics suck...the people on the other hand...
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