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25 Jul 2018 01:36

Hands off the Lanterne rouge. At least Yates' ride wasn't totally pointless today
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26 Jul 2018 13:57

Stage 18 might be over by the time I get this posted, and stage 18, and the Yellow points section of this (as I now discover we are going out to drink and eat again) will probably appear mid-morning tomorrow.

Stage 17 Short multi-mountain stage

Green points
The most popular rider still in the game finally repays our collective trust

QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 80pts 34 teams
THOMAS Geraint 55 4
MARTIN Daniel 50 11
ROGLIC Primoz 25 1
DUMOULIN Tom 15 0
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 10 11
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 5 0
FROOME Chris 3 0
LANDA MEANA Mikel 2 0
ZAKARIN Ilnur 1 9

1 LosBrolin 140 (Quintana, Martin and Kruijswijk)
2 Armchair_Cyclist 135 (Quintana and Thomas)
3 Laarsland, ThePirate81, Vladimir 131 (Quintana, Martin and Zakarin)
6 Comodoro, Gotland, Leadbelly, Shalgo 130
10 Ruvu75 91
11 Axl, Carlo_Algatrensig, Kazistuta, Nathanptz, Scrool07, Search, Squire 90
18 Hakkie2, JustSomeGuy, SafeBet, SportingNonsense 81
22 Other Quintanistas 80
35 AG, BikeRacer33, SemirS 55
38 Bminchow 51
39 BicycleBoy, Googolplex 50
41 Salvarani 25
42 GPBlanco, NorthAmericanScum 10
44 Josedin, Koronin 0
Collective_Wisdom 90

Standings
1 BikeRacer33 651
2 SemirS 609
3 NorthAmericanScum 603
4 AG 588
5 Armchair_Cyclist 579
6 Koronin 558
7 Comodoro 514
8 Leadbelly 497
9 Gotland 494
9 Shalgo 494

Yellow points

The stage win was the minor part of Quintana's gains on the day; his GC improvement from 8th to 5th is more valuable, and he suddenly appears at 4th in the polka dot classification.

QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 195 34
MARTIN Daniel 83 11
THOMAS Geraint 56 4
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 44 11
ROGLIC Primoz 26 1
ZAKARIN Ilnur 21 9
KANGERT Tanel 10 17
...
LATOUR Pierre -10 2
JUNGELS Bob -10 3
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel -16 1
FUGLSANG Jakob -20 5
BARDET Romain -90 3

1 LosBrolin 320 (Quintana, Martin and Kruijswijk)
2 ThePirate81 309 (Quintana, Martin, Zakarin and Kangert)
3 Laarsland 304 (as The Pirate, but Rolland lost 5 points)
4 Leadbelly 283
4 Vladimir 283
6 Gotland 274
7 Comodoro 273
7 Shalgo 273
9 Armchair_Cyclist 254
10 Ruvu75 249
11 Carlo_Algatrensig 244
12 Axl 239
13 Scrool07 235
14 Squire 232
15 Search 229
16 Kazistuta 225
17 Hakkie2 215
18 Nathanptz 214
19 SafeBet 211
20 SportingNonsense 208
21 Fauniera 198
22 AmisVelo 196
22 TotalPackage 196
24 RattaKuningas 190
25 JustSomeGuy 187
26 Mellow_Velo 186
26 Tigerion 186
28 BluesInTheBottle 185
29 Del1962 182
29 Minessa 182
31 Postmanhat 169
32 Rote_Laterne 166
33 Bminchow 110
34 Yellow_Knight 104
35 Evans_is_the_Best 99
36 BicycleBoy 79
37 Googolplex 74
38 BikeRacer33 58
39 AG 49
40 SemirS 36
41 NorthAmericanScum 30
42 Salvarani 27
43 Koronin -5
44 Josedin -7
45 GPBlanco -40
Collective_Wisdom 240

Standings
Only one of the 4 teams with Geraint Thomas also has Quintana, and now has a handsome margin. The other three Thomas teams had a big enough margin to preserve their positions, but all other teams without Quintana drop. That allows Los Brolin to become the top Thomas-less team, and behind him everyone in the top ten has improved their position, with Axl, Shalgo and Squire having joined that company. Vladimir, Laarsland and The Pirate all move up 10 places or more, Pirate by 14.

1 Armchair_Cyclist 1715
2 SemirS 1465
3 BikeRacer33 1403
4 AG 1337
5 LosBrolin 1248
6 Leadbelly 1151
7 Search 1119
8 Axl 1103
9 Shalgo 1091
10 Squire 1089
11 Carlo_Algatrensig 1076
12 Gotland 1075
13 Comodoro 1071
14 NorthAmericanScum 1061
15 Laarsland 1060
16 ThePirate81 1034
17 Ruvu75 1033
18 Kazistuta 1022
19 Vladimir 1017
20 Evans_is_the_Best 998
21 Nathanptz 954
22 Postmanhat 945
23 Rote_Laterne 939
24 Yellow_Knight 931
25 RattaKuningas 928
26 SportingNonsense 922
27 Googolplex 907
28 Bminchow 872
29 TotalPackage 865
30 GPBlanco 860
31 SafeBet 850
32 Koronin 849
33 Mellow_Velo 845
34 Scrool07 833
35 JustSomeGuy 824
36 Hakkie2 802
37 Salvarani 797
38 Fauniera 787
39 Del1962 773
40 BicycleBoy 764
41 BluesInTheBottle 685
42 Minessa 680
43 Tigerion 665
44 AmisVelo 623
45 Josedin 517
Collective_Wisdom 1091
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27 Jul 2018 12:01

I am back home, and back to having regular internet access. Spent the morning watching highlights programmes of stages 14-18, should be up to date here by late tonight.

Stage 18 Pause in the Pyrenees for the sprinters

Green points

DEMARE Arnaud 80 0
LAPORTE Christophe 50 1
KRISTOFF Alexander 35 0
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 25 0
THOMAS Geraint 20 4
COLBRELLI Sonny 15 0
RICHEZE ARAQUISTAIN Maximiliano Ariel 10 0
DEGENKOLB John 5 5
SAGAN Peter 3 0
PHINNEY Taylor 2 1
DUPONT Timothy 1 0

1 Josedin 50
2 AG 25
3 Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, SemirS 20
6 Koronin 7
7 Kazistuta, NorthAmericanScum, Postmanhat 5

Standings
1 BikeRacer33 671
2 SemirS 629
3 AG 613
4 NorthAmericanScum 608
5 Armchair_Cyclist 599
6 Koronin 565
7 Comodoro 514
8 Leadbelly 497
9 Gotland 494
9 Shalgo 494

Yellow points

LAPORTE Christophe 51 1
DEGENKOLB John 20 5
THOMAS Geraint 19 4
PHINNEY Taylor 2 1
GESINK Robert 2 3
MOINARD Amaël 1 2
...
MARTIN Daniel -1 11
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar -2 3
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro -2 1
and no-one else

1 Josedin 51 (Laporte)
2 AG 41 (Degenkolb and Thomas)
3 Kazistuta 20
3 Koronin 20
3 Postmanhat 20
6 Armchair_Cyclist 19
6 SemirS 19
8 NorthAmericanScum 18
9 BikeRacer33 17
10 Evans_is_the_Best 2
11 Fauniera 1
12 Loads of teams 0
36 BicycleBoy -1
36 Bminchow -1
36 Comodoro -1
36 Googolplex -1
36 Gotland -1
36 Laarsland -1
36 Leadbelly -1
36 LosBrolin -1
36 Shalgo -1
36 ThePirate81 -1
Collective_Wisdom 0

Standings

As null a day as possible: NAS climbing 3 places to 11th is the highest placed mover, and the similarly Degenkolb-bolstered Koronin matches his 3 place jump.

1 Armchair_Cyclist 1734
2 SemirS 1484
3 BikeRacer33 1420
4 AG 1378
5 LosBrolin 1247
6 Leadbelly 1150
7 Search 1119
8 Axl 1103
9 Shalgo 1090
10 Squire 1089
11 NorthAmericanScum 1079
12 Carlo_Algatrensig 1076
13 Gotland 1074
14 Comodoro 1070
15 Laarsland 1059
16 Kazistuta 1042
17 Ruvu75 1033
17 ThePirate81 1033
19 Vladimir 1017
20 Evans_is_the_Best 1000
21 Postmanhat 965
22 Nathanptz 954
23 Rote_Laterne 939
24 Yellow_Knight 931
25 RattaKuningas 928
26 SportingNonsense 922
27 Googolplex 906
28 Bminchow 871
29 Koronin 869
30 TotalPackage 865
31 GPBlanco 860
32 SafeBet 850
33 Mellow_Velo 845
34 Scrool07 833
35 JustSomeGuy 824
36 Hakkie2 802
37 Salvarani 797
38 Fauniera 788
39 Del1962 773
40 BicycleBoy 763
41 BluesInTheBottle 685
42 Minessa 680
43 Tigerion 665
44 AmisVelo 623
45 Josedin 568
Collective_Wisdom 1091
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27 Jul 2018 19:57

Stage 19 The Queen stage: the battle for the podium

Green points

ROGLIC Primoz 80 1
THOMAS Geraint 70 4
BARDET Romain 35 3
MARTIN Daniel 25 11
MAJKA Rafal 15 5
DUMOULIN Tom 10 0
LANDA MEANA Mikel 5 0
FROOME Chris 3 0
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 2 11
ZAKARIN Ilnur 1 9

1 Salvarani 80
2 AG, Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, SemirS 70
6 GPBlanco 37
7 Evans_is_the_Best, Yellow_Knight 35
9 LosBrolin 27
10 Bminchow, Laarsland, ThePirate81, Vladimir 26
14 BicycleBoy, Comodoro, Googolplex, Gotland, Leadbelly, Shalgo 25
20 Squire 17
21 Hakkie2 16
22 BluesInTheBottle, Del1962, Josedin 15
25 Ruvu75 3
26 Axl, Carlo_Algatrensig, Kazistuta, Nathanptz, NorthAmericanScum, Scrool07, Search 2
33 JustSomeGuy, SafeBet, SportingNonsense 1

Standings
Thomas's 9 days of yellow jersey points (with one more, presumably, to come: no yellow jersey bonus after last stage) and his sprinting prowess compared to other GC riders, place the 4 Thomas teams in the top four, albeit in a different order than in the yellow classification.

1 BikeRacer33 741
2 SemirS 699
3 AG 683
4 Armchair_Cyclist 669
5 NorthAmericanScum 610
6 Koronin 565
7 Comodoro 539
8 Leadbelly 522
9 Gotland 519
9 Shalgo 519


Yellow points

All of Quintana's GC gains 2 days ago, and a bit more, are lost, to the pain of most team managers.

ROGLIC Primoz 149 1
BARDET Romain 65 3
THOMAS Geraint 62 4
MAJKA Rafal 61 5
MARTIN Daniel 41 11
ZAKARIN Ilnur 31 9
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 28 11
JUNGELS Bob 20 3
KANGERT Tanel 19 17
TOLHOEK Antwan 12 2
LATOUR Pierre 10 2
...
FUGLSANG Jakob -30 5
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro -30 1
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -132 34

1 Salvarani 182
2 GPBlanco 120
3 Bminchow 99
4 Josedin 94
5 Googolplex 84
6 BikeRacer33 80
7 AG 64
8 NorthAmericanScum 48
9 BicycleBoy 39
10 SemirS 32
11 Hakkie2 -7
12 Squire -8
13 Koronin -24
14 Laarsland -35
15 ThePirate81 -37
16 Armchair_Cyclist -39
17 Ruvu75 -46
18 Del1962 -47
19 Vladimir -48
20 SafeBet -52
21 Evans_is_the_Best -57
21 LosBrolin -57
23 BluesInTheBottle -65
24 Leadbelly -66
25 Yellow_Knight -67
26 Carlo_Algatrensig -75
27 Gotland -83
28 Search -84
29 Comodoro -85
29 Shalgo -85
31 RattaKuningas -87
32 Kazistuta -90
33 SportingNonsense -95
34 Scrool07 -96
35 AmisVelo -99
35 TotalPackage -99
37 Axl -102
38 Fauniera -115
39 JustSomeGuy -117
40 Minessa -120
41 Nathanptz -124
42 Mellow_Velo -128
42 Tigerion -128
44 Rote_Laterne -148
45 Postmanhat -166
Collective_Wisdom -71

Standings

NAS regains most of the ground he lost to the Quintana teams on Wednesday, and Laarsland also gets back into the top ten, also on the back of a 5 place rise. BicycleBoy, Googolplex and GPBlanco all move up 10 places or more, but no-one matches Salvarani's 17 spot leap.

1 Armchair_Cyclist 1695
2 SemirS 1516
3 BikeRacer33 1500
4 AG 1442
5 LosBrolin 1190
6 NorthAmericanScum 1127
7 Leadbelly 1084
8 Squire 1081
9 Search 1035
10 Laarsland 1024
11 Shalgo 1005
12 Axl 1001
12 Carlo_Algatrensig 1001
14 ThePirate81 996
15 Gotland 991
16 Googolplex 990
17 Ruvu75 987
18 Comodoro 985
19 GPBlanco 980
20 Salvarani 979
21 Bminchow 970
22 Vladimir 969
23 Kazistuta 952
24 Evans_is_the_Best 943
25 Yellow_Knight 864
26 Koronin 845
27 RattaKuningas 841
28 Nathanptz 830
29 SportingNonsense 827
30 BicycleBoy 802
31 Postmanhat 799
32 SafeBet 798
33 Hakkie2 795
34 Rote_Laterne 791
35 TotalPackage 766
36 Scrool07 737
37 Del1962 726
38 Mellow_Velo 717
39 JustSomeGuy 707
40 Fauniera 673
41 Josedin 662
42 BluesInTheBottle 620
43 Minessa 560
44 Tigerion 537
45 AmisVelo 524
Collective_Wisdom 1020
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27 Jul 2018 20:58

Although the 4 Thomas teams seem unassailable (so long as GT himself remains unassailed), none of us have really spent our 2933 non-Thomas points very well:

Armchair Cyclist
THOMAS Geraint 1067
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 266
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 165
KANGERT Tanel 96
ROLLAND Pierre 57
(BEVIN Patrick 20)
(PORTE Richie 20)
(CAVENDISH Mark 4)

Total 1695


SemirS
THOMAS Geraint 1067
(GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 230)

FUGLSANG Jakob 135
DURBRIDGE Luke 20
GUARNIERI Jacopo 20
SUTHERLAND Rory 20
(PORTE Richie 20)
(CAVENDISH Mark 4)

Total 1516


BikeRider33
THOMAS Geraint 1067
(GROENEWEGEN Dylan 195)
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 100
ROLLAND Pierre 57
TOLHOEK Antwan 37
BOSWELL Ian 20
(PORTE Richie 20)
(CAVENDISH Mark 4)

Total 1500


AG
THOMAS Geraint 1067
DEGENKOLB John 208
GESINK Robert 57
(KITTEL Marcel 50)
SICARD Romain 20
ROWE Luke 20
(PORTE Richie 20)
(MARTIN Tony 0)

Total 1442

Given that:
a) the only TT talent remaining in any of these teams is the defining factor that is on all of them (Thomas);
b) the only remaining rider likely to sprint with any intent on the Champs Elysees out of these teams is AG's Degenkolb; and
c) the large time gaps that are found between riders in any positions with significant GC points;
I don't really see that these positions are likely to change too much in the last 2 days, as long as everyone remains upright.
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28 Jul 2018 23:16

Stage 20 GC men dominate the TT, and it's all over bar the sprinting

Green points

DUMOULIN Tom 80 0
THOMAS Geraint 55 4
FROOME Chris 50 0
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 25 0
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 15 0
JUNGELS Bob 10 3
ZAKARIN Ilnur 5 9
ROGLIC Primoz 3 1
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc 2 0
HEPBURN Michael 1 0


Only SafeBet doubles up, with Jungels and Zakarin

1 AG, Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, SemirS 55
5 SafeBet 15
6 RattaKuningas, Search 10
8 Bminchow, Hakkie2, JustSomeGuy, Laarsland, Ruvu75, Sporting Nonsense, ThePirate81, Vladimir 5
16 Salvarani 3

Standings
No change here: the top 4 all got 55 points for Thomas, and no-one else scored.

1 BikeRacer33 796
2 SemirS 754
3 AG 738
4 Armchair_Cyclist 724
5 NorthAmericanScum 610
6 Koronin 565
7 Comodoro 539
8 Leadbelly 522
9 Gotland 519
9 Shalgo 519

It will probably need a Champs Elysees win for Degenkolb (to AG's benefit) for Bike Racer to be displaced.

Yellow Points

A few swaps in GC, but point shifts today are minor.

THOMAS Geraint 58 4
BARDET Romain 30 3
ZAKARIN Ilnur 25 9
JUNGELS Bob 10 3
YATES Adam 2 7
BOUET Maxime 1 1
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 1 5
...
MARTIN Daniel -1 11
TOLHOEK Antwan -2 2
MOINARD Amaël -3 2
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -20 34
ROGLIC Primoz -57 1


1 AG 58
1 SemirS 58
3 BikeRacer33 56
4 Armchair_Cyclist 38
5 GPBlanco 30
6 Bminchow 24
7 SafeBet 16
8 Evans_is_the_Best 10
8 Yellow_Knight 10
10 SportingNonsense 7
11 Hakkie2 5
11 JustSomeGuy 5
11 Ruvu75 5
11 ThePirate81 5
15 Laarsland 4
16 BicycleBoy 1
16 Vladimir 1
18 Koronin 0
18 NorthAmericanScum 0
20 Googolplex -1
20 Josedin -1
22 RattaKuningas -10
22 Search -10
24 BluesInTheBottle -18
24 Mellow_Velo -18
24 Minessa -18
24 Postmanhat -18
24 Tigerion -18
29 Carlo_Algatrensig -19
29 Del1962 -19
29 Nathanptz -19
32 AmisVelo -20
32 Axl -20
32 Kazistuta -20
32 Rote_Laterne -20
32 Scrool07 -20
32 Squire -20
32 TotalPackage -20
39 Comodoro -21
39 Gotland -21
39 Leadbelly -21
39 LosBrolin -21
39 Shalgo -21
44 Fauniera -23
45 Salvarani -57
Collective_Wisdom -20

Standings
The only top ten positional change sees Laarsland move up one, while not far below that, GPBlanco and Bminchow share the prestige of a daily best 8 place improvement.
1 Armchair_Cyclist 1733
2 SemirS 1574
3 BikeRacer33 1556
4 AG 1500
5 LosBrolin 1169
6 NorthAmericanScum 1127
7 Leadbelly 1063
8 Squire 1061
9 Laarsland 1028
10 Search 1025
11 GPBlanco 1010
12 ThePirate81 1001
13 Bminchow 994
14 Ruvu75 992
15 Googolplex 989
16 Shalgo 984
17 Carlo_Algatrensig 982
18 Axl 981
19 Gotland 970
19 Vladimir 970
21 Comodoro 964
22 Evans_is_the_Best 953
23 Kazistuta 932
24 Salvarani 922
25 Yellow_Knight 874
26 Koronin 845
27 SportingNonsense 834
28 RattaKuningas 831
29 SafeBet 814
30 Nathanptz 811
31 BicycleBoy 803
32 Hakkie2 800
33 Postmanhat 781
34 Rote_Laterne 771
35 TotalPackage 746
36 Scrool07 717
37 JustSomeGuy 712
38 Del1962 707
39 Mellow_Velo 699
40 Josedin 661
41 Fauniera 650
42 BluesInTheBottle 602
43 Minessa 542
44 Tigerion 519
45 AmisVelo 504
Collective_Wisdom 1000

I have to visit my not-online father-in-law tomorrow, so it will probably be Monday night before I can confirm final results. In my defence, at least I'm not leaving anyone else on tenterhooks wondering if they have sealed the win.
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31 Jul 2018 11:08

Stage 21 The final parade

Green points but not many of them

KRISTOFF Alexander 80 0
DEGENKOLB John 50 5
DEMARE Arnaud 35 0
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 25 0
LAPORTE Christophe 15 1
RICHEZE ARAQUISTAIN Maximiliano Ariel 10 0
COLBRELLI Sonny 5 0
SAGAN Peter 3 0
PASQUALON Andrea 2 0
DE BUYST Jasper 1 0
No yellow jersey points on the final stage.

1 AG, Kazistuta, Koronin, NorthAmericanScum, Postmanhat 50
6 Josedin 15

Final Green standings

Degenkolb gives AG a last minute lift up into 2nd in the minor competition, and consolidates NAS as the best of the rest.
1 BikeRacer33 796
2 AG 788
3 SemirS 754
4 Armchair_Cyclist 724
5 NorthAmericanScum 660
6 Koronin 615
7 Comodoro 539
8 Leadbelly 522
9 Gotland 519
9 Shalgo 519
11 BicycleBoy 485
12 Bminchow 450
12 Googolplex 450
14 Axl 440
15 LosBrolin 403
16 Evans_is_the_Best 402
17 Salvarani 400
18 TotalPackage 391
18 Yellow_Knight 391
20 Mellow_Velo 390
21 Kazistuta 387
22 Josedin 384
23 SportingNonsense 379
24 Search 371
25 RattaKuningas 357
26 Carlo_Algatrensig 352
26 Postmanhat 352
28 Rote_Laterne 342
29 Fauniera 325
30 Laarsland 307
31 GPBlanco 302
32 Vladimir 298
33 ThePirate81 290
34 Del1962 246
35 Minessa 212
36 Tigerion 210
37 Squire 204
38 BluesInTheBottle 195
39 Scrool07 182
40 Hakkie2 153
41 AmisVelo 149
42 Ruvu75 144
43 SafeBet 135
44 Nathanptz 127
45 JustSomeGuy 123
Collective_Wisdom 354

Unlike in the real green jersey competition, all stages score equally, and yellow jersey wearer points are also included in these guaranteed CQ points, as are some points from the TTT.

Most of the selections based on amassing sprint points came to grief in the Alps. The riders getting points equivalent of a stage 2nd or better are:
1 THOMAS Geraint 495pts 4 teams (incl 200 YJ points)
2 SAGAN Peter 494 0 (incl 20 YJ points)
3 VAN AVERMAET Greg 275 0 (incl 160 YJ points)
4 ALAPHILIPPE Julian 258 0
5 KRISTOFF Alexander 235 0
6 GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 230 21 (incl 20 YJ points)
7 DEMARE Arnaud 225 0
8 DEGENKOLB John 213 5
9 DUMOULIN Tom 208 0
10 GROENEWEGEN Dylan 195 4
11 MARTIN Daniel 180 11
12 FROOME Chris 128 0
13 COLBRELLI Sonny 122 0
13 ROGLIC Primoz 122 1
15 IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 100 5
16 LAPORTE Christophe 95 1
17 CORT NIELSEN Magnus 85 0
18 QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 83 34
19 FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 80 3
20 BARDET Romain 73 3
21 GILBERT Philippe 69 0
22 GREIPEL André 66 0
23 VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 65 1
23 MOLLEMA Bauke 65 0
25 CARUSO Damiano 60 0
26 LAMPAERT Yves 55 0
27 BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 52 0
28 LATOUR Pierre 51 2
28 YATES Adam 51 7
30 IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka 50 0
30 KITTEL Marcel 50 8

Of these, green competition winner BikeRacer33 has Thomas, Groenewegen and Fraile;
AG has Thomas, Degenkolb and Kittel;
SemirS has Thomas and Gaviria;
Armchair Cyclist has Thomas, Izagirre and Quintana;
and among the best without Thomas:
NAS has Gaviria, Degenkolb, Izagirre and Fraile
Koronin has Gaviria, Degenkolb, Izagirre and Valverde
Comodoro has Gaviria, D Martin and Quintana
(all those Izagirres refer to Ion, Gorka was unchosen)

The team with the biggest sprinter spend, Total Package (Gaviria, Kittel and Cavendish), ended up 18th in this classification.
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31 Jul 2018 11:56

The Final reckoning
Yellow points
As would be expected, very few changes other than the stage points for sprinters in Paris


DEGENKOLB John 50 5
LAPORTE Christophe 15 1
NAVARRO GARCIA Daniel 1 5
...
MARTIN Daniel -1 11
THOMAS Geraint -2 4
MOINARD Amaël -3 2

1 Kazistuta 50
1 Koronin 50
1 NorthAmericanScum 50
1 Postmanhat 50
5 AG 48
6 Josedin 15
7 Carlo_Algatrensig 1
7 Del1962 1
7 Nathanptz 1
7 SafeBet 1
11 Just over half the teams 0
32 BicycleBoy -1
32 Bminchow -1
32 Comodoro -1
32 Googolplex -1
32 Gotland -1
32 Laarsland -1
32 Leadbelly -1
32 LosBrolin -1
32 Shalgo -1
41 Armchair_Cyclist -2
41 BikeRacer33 -2
41 SemirS -2
44 Fauniera -3
45 Vladimir -4
Collective_Wisdom 0

Final Standings
Degenkolb gives NAS a final leg-up to the top-non-Thomas slot, and the only last minute improvement among the top ten. Kazistuta and Postmanhat each get a 5 place hike to put some gloss on their final positions.

1 Armchair_Cyclist 1731
2 SemirS 1572
3 BikeRacer33 1554
4 AG 1548
5 NorthAmericanScum 1177
6 LosBrolin 1168
7 Leadbelly 1062
8 Squire 1061
9 Laarsland 1027
10 Search 1025
11 GPBlanco 1010
12 ThePirate81 1001
13 Bminchow 993
14 Ruvu75 992
15 Googolplex 988
16 Carlo_Algatrensig 983
16 Shalgo 983
18 Kazistuta 982
19 Axl 981
20 Gotland 969
21 Vladimir 966
22 Comodoro 963
23 Evans_is_the_Best 953
24 Salvarani 922
25 Koronin 895
26 Yellow_Knight 874
27 SportingNonsense 834
28 Postmanhat 831
28 RattaKuningas 831
30 SafeBet 815
31 Nathanptz 812
32 BicycleBoy 802
33 Hakkie2 800
34 Rote_Laterne 771
35 TotalPackage 746
36 Scrool07 717
37 JustSomeGuy 712
38 Del1962 708
39 Mellow_Velo 699
40 Josedin 676
41 Fauniera 647
42 BluesInTheBottle 602
43 Minessa 542
44 Tigerion 519
45 AmisVelo 504
Collective_Wisdom 1000

Well who'da thunk it. Essentially all victory required was to have Thomas and the 10th place on GC plus a stage win gained by Quintana, with 2nd places and on overall 22nd from Ion Izagirre giving a bit of a margin of comfort.

I shall learn a salutary lesson from the current placing of last year's winner, Amis Velo, now languishing in last place.

Got to go out now, a bit more analysis of the numbers later.
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Re: 2018 Tour de France CQ game

31 Jul 2018 12:40

Thanks for the game, AC. Hoping one more top 10 from Vuelta, that would finish off my louismeintjes -mission nicely. See you all there.
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31 Jul 2018 13:57

Rider scores
The top 40 scorers. The fact that the three riders who scored closest to Thomas were essentially priced out of the game was a great help to the Thomas teams.

1 THOMAS Geraint 1123 4 teams
2 DUMOULIN Tom 673 0
3 SAGAN Peter 594 0
4 FROOME Chris 508 0

5 ROGLIC Primoz 452 1
6 ALAPHILIPPE Julian 396 0
7 MARTIN Daniel 386 11
8 VAN AVERMAET Greg 338 0
9 BARDET Romain 333 3
10 KRISTOFF Alexander 305 0

11 KRUIJSWIJK Steven 304 11
12 DEMARE Arnaud 280 0

13 DEGENKOLB John 258 5
14 LANDA MEANA Mikel 252 0

15 QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 246 34
16 GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 230 21
17 GROENEWEGEN Dylan 195 4
18 ZAKARIN Ilnur 187 9
19 VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 175 1
20 LATOUR Pierre 171 2
21 IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 165 5
22 JUNGELS Bob 163 3
23 MAJKA Rafal 147 5
24 COLBRELLI Sonny 144 0
25 BARGUIL Warren 138 0

26 FUGLSANG Jakob 135 5
27 CARUSO Damiano 132 0
28 MOLLEMA Bauke 122 0
29 BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 117 0

30 LAPORTE Christophe 115 1
31 IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka 111 0
32 POZZOVIVO Domenico 107 0
33 CORT NIELSEN Magnus 105 0

34 YATES Adam 102 7
35 FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 100 3
36 KANGERT Tanel 96 17
37 NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel 78 1
38 LAMPAERT Yves 75 0
39 GESCHKE Simon 72 0
39 BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 72 0


By percentage return
1 THOMAS Geraint 108.0% 4 teams
2 SUTHERLAND Rory 100.0 12
3 KANGERT Tanel 88.9 17
4 GUARNIERI Jacopo 80.0 6
5 KRUIJSWIJK Steven 57.3 11
6 DEGENKOLB John 55.2 5
7 SCULLY Tom 55.0 2
8 GESCHKE Simon 52.2 0
9 DUMOULIN Tom 46.9 0
10 MARTIN Daniel 46.6 11
11 COUSIN Jérôme 44.4 2
12 BOSWELL Ian 43.5 5
13 BERNARD Julien 40.0 0
14 KOCHETKOV Pavel 39.2 2
15 ROLLAND Pierre 35.6 27
16 FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 34.1 3
17 ROWE Luke 33.9 5
17 TROIA Oliviero 33.9 0
19 THOMSON Jay Robert 31.7 0
20 ROGLIC Primoz 31.4 1
21 HAGA Chad 29.5 2
22 ALAPHILIPPE Julian 28.4 0
23 IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 28.4 5
24 JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinardt 27.4 0
25 GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 26.7 21
26 QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 26.4 34
27 LATOUR Pierre 26.0 2
28 TEN DAM Laurens 25.3 0
29 ZAKARIN Ilnur 25.0 9
29 LUDVIGSSON Tobias 25.0 3
29 FERRARI Roberto 25.0 1
29 KOREN Kristjan 25.0 0

Impeccable picks
THOMAS Geraint 1123points 4 teams 1040 price
MARTIN Daniel 386 11 828
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 304 11 531
DEGENKOLB John 258 5 467
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 100 3 293
KANGERT Tanel 96 17 108
BERNARD Julien 40 0 100
HAGA Chad 23 2 78
SCULLY Tom 22 2 40
SUTHERLAND Rory 20 12 20


The most popular picks
PORTE Richie 20 points 36 teams 852 cost
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 246 34 931
CAVENDISH Mark 4 34 152
ROLLAND Pierre 57 27 160
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 230 21 860
GAUDU David 43 20 229
KANGERT Tanel 96 17 108
SUTHERLAND Rory 20 12 20
MARTIN Daniel 386 11 828
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 304 11 531
ZAKARIN Ilnur 187 9 748
KITTEL Marcel 50 8 676
YATES Adam 102 7 978
GUARNIERI Jacopo 20 6 25

Only Kangert, Kruijswijk, and possibly Martin and Rolland, among these can be said to have been successful. Sutherland and Guarnieri fulfilled the low expectation on them, as cheap finishers; Gaviria looked like he might have been very worth picking until he, and most other sprinters, came adrift in the Alps; Quintana redeemed himself partially by winning the short mountain stage, and eventually made the difference between the top four; and Porte was chosen by all four of the Thomas teams, so eventually his result was null no matter how well he might have done had he avoided his fall.

The Collective Wisdom team would have come 13th, with quite an underspend, so although these riders mainly underperformed, it was not disastrous.

Best possible team
Hakkie traditionally does a better job of working this out than I do, but I think it is:
THOMAS Geraint 1123pts 4 teams 1040 cost
ROGLIC Primoz 452 1 1441
MARTIN Daniel 386 11 828
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 304 11 531
BOSWELL Ian 20 5 46
SCULLY Tom 22 2 40
SUTHERLAND Rory 20 12 20
GUARNIERI Jacopo 20 6 25

Other combinations of cheap, 20 point finishers would be possible. This lot would come in close to budget, on the right side at 3971, and would have scored 2347pts. It would also have come lowest on the popularity charts.

All the numbers here

Thanks to CQ for the scoring system, to PCS for the results, to the riders, and to everyone who had a go. I'm sure you will put me in my place in the Vuelta game.
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31 Jul 2018 14:55

Thanks for setting this up...first time I did a game like this so I'm pleased with 5th place. Degenkolb tends to let me down so I was wary to pick him but was glad he has some good results. Kruijswijk also did better than I thought he would.
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01 Aug 2018 05:39

Just outside the top 5 on Green points. Will be looking at that for the future.

Middle of the pack in yellow, not bad for my 2nd attempt at a GT game.

Thanks for setting this up.
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02 Aug 2018 09:14

Armchair cyclist wrote:

Best possible team
Hakkie traditionally does a better job of working this out than I do, but I think it is:
THOMAS Geraint 1123pts 4 teams 1040 cost
ROGLIC Primoz 452 1 1441
MARTIN Daniel 386 11 828
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 304 11 531
BOSWELL Ian 20 5 46
SCULLY Tom 22 2 40
SUTHERLAND Rory 20 12 20
GUARNIERI Jacopo 20 6 25



I managed to find a team with a cost of 3993 points and a return of 2614 points, being:
Thomas
Kangert
Kruijswijk
Sutherland
Degenkolb
Dumoulin
Bernard
Fraile

Edit: managed to further improve the score by replacing Sutherland and Fraile for Rolland and Geschke. That makes 2623 points for a cost of 3978. So now it is
Thomas
Kangert
Kruijswijk
Degenkolb
Dumoulin
Geschke
Bernard
Rolland
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02 Aug 2018 10:46

I told you Hakkie was better at finding the best possible team than I am, I had just assumed that Dumoulin couldn't be accommodated without trialling it.

That team would still have one of the lowest popularity rankings, and would have 3 unique picks (Dumoulin, Geschke, Bernard), but vindicates the popularity of three of our Collective Wisdom team (Rolland, Kangert and Kruijswijk, who was only in to make the budget more realistic)

It also would have topped the green points classification easily.
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04 Aug 2018 13:28

Congrats on the victory Armchair.
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