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Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

13 Jul 2018 01:59

I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.
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13 Jul 2018 02:32

There was a similar thread to this in 2009. It would be interesting to see the changes. In the case of Ireland, in 2009 Dan Martin was a second year pro and Sam Bennett was a junior.

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13 Jul 2018 02:50

For the US, take that list and add Tejay van Garderen and Andrew Talensky and you've got your current list.

1. Lance Armstrong
2. Greg Lemond
3. Andrew Hampsten
4. Levi Leipheimer
5. Tejay van Garderen
6. Andrew Talensky
7. Christian Vande Velde
8. George Mount
9. Bobby Julrich
10. George Hincapie
11. David Zabriskie
12. Davis Phinney

Yes I copy and pasted and added the two riders that needed added.
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13 Jul 2018 03:34

Australia, from memory so probably gonna make some heinous errors.......

1. Cadel Evans
2. Phil Anderson
3. Robbie McEwan
4. Simon Gerrans
5. Richie Porte
6. Stuart O'Grady
7. Michael Matthews
8. Matt Goss (one monument gets you a long way....)
9. Matt Haymen (ditto)
10. Baden Cooke
11. Caleb Ewan
12. Rohan Dennis
13. Brad McGee
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Re: Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

13 Jul 2018 04:24

Zinoviev Letter wrote:I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.


I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.
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13 Jul 2018 04:35

Counting all restults won on road.

1. Lance Armstrong
2. Greg Lemond
3. Andrew Hampsten
4. Levi Leipheimer
5. Chris Horner
6. Floyd Landis
7. Tyler Hamilton
8. Bobby Julrich
9. Tejay Van Garderen
10. David Zabriskie

Counting all offical results.

1. Greg Lemond
2. Andrew Hampston
3. Chris Horner
4. Levi Leipheimer
5. Tyler Hamilton
6. Bobby Julrich
7. Tejay Van Garderen
8. Andrew Talansky
9. Tyler Farrar
10. Christian Vande Velde
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13 Jul 2018 05:18

Lance officially still has 2 Tour stages, a Fleche Wallonne, a San Sebastián, and a Worlds. That puts him well into the Top 10 for the US. Above Tejay or Talansky at least. Probably ahead of Hamilton.
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Re: Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

13 Jul 2018 06:06

macbindle wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.


I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.


He's got a sweet Irish accent though. In my book, if you've got one of those + you officially claim to be Irish then walks like a duck/quacks like a duck argument holds.
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13 Jul 2018 06:07

Who's doing Slovakia by the way?
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Re: Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

13 Jul 2018 06:22

The Hegelian wrote:
macbindle wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:I’ll start with Ireland. One of the smaller cycling nations where the best were very good indeed but the pool has not been deep.

1. Sean Kelly (a ridiculous palmares)
2. Stephen Roche (a ridiculous year)
3. Dan Martin (2 Monuments, 3 GT stages, various week long and one day races)
4. Shay Elliott (4 GT stages, Omloop, various one day races and stages)
5. Sam Bennett (3 GT stages, lots of stages at other stage races, some smaller one day races)

I doubt if there will be too much argument about this one. The top 3 are extremely obvious. Elliott still has an extra GT stage and a bigger one day race win over Bennett, although Bennett will overtake him unless something terrible happens to his career. I can’t see how Bennett could be behind Nico Roche or Martin Earley. But in lots of countries there’s a lot more to argue about.


I think you are stretching it a bit with Dan Martin. He's not from Ireland, he's from Staffordshire. He chose to represent his mother's country of birth because it opened up larger races to him (I'm sure you know all of this)

Chris Froome isn't from my country (UK) either.


He's got a sweet Irish accent though. In my book, if you've got one of those + you officially claim to be Irish then walks like a duck/quacks like a duck argument holds.



He's got a Staffordshire accent. No hint of Irish.

Have a listen:

https://youtu.be/sgYbEkRgSSA

and compare

https://youtu.be/jsUvcjk8J5c

Plus if you want ultimate proof that he's British, check out his teeth :D
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13 Jul 2018 06:23

1 Rolf Sørensen
2 Bjarne Riis
3 Michael Rasmussen
4 Ole Ritter
5 Jakob Fuglsang

I'm sure this will have completely changed in five years' time.

Valgren is already knocking.
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13 Jul 2018 06:26

The Hegelian wrote:Australia, from memory so probably gonna make some heinous errors.......

1. Cadel Evans
2. Phil Anderson
3. Robbie McEwan
4. Simon Gerrans
5. Richie Porte
6. Stuart O'Grady
7. Michael Matthews
8. Matt Goss (one monument gets you a long way....)
9. Matt Haymen (ditto)
10. Baden Cooke
11. Caleb Ewan
12. Rohan Dennis
13. Brad McGee

You’ve got most of the right names there but the order is a little out of whack. Most obvious is Gerrans should be higher than McEwen and Ewan below Dennis and McGee. Goss is above Matthews too, for now IMO. Then there’s Michael Rogers.
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13 Jul 2018 06:26

On the proviso that we are talking Male, and we are talking those that represented Britain

1. Chris Froome
2. Mark Cavendish
3. Brad Wiggins
4. Tom Simpson
5. One from Boardman, G or Robert Millar
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Re: Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

13 Jul 2018 07:37

1)Bartali/Coppi
2)Coppi/Bartali
3)Gimondi

4) and 5) it gets complicated between Nibali,Moser,Saronni,Girardengo,Binda. I can see Nibali passing Gimondi if he wins Tour and World
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Re: Rank the top 5 cyclists from your country by palmares

13 Jul 2018 07:42

Austria:
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13 Jul 2018 08:03

1- Mustafa Sayar.
2- Ahmet Örken
3- Nazım Bakırcı
I don't know much about the others.
I think it's the sign of a clean rider and a real sportsman to be attracted to the bigger challenge over the ultimate result. Good luck with the Giro/Tour double, Chris Froome. -Phil Gaimon
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13 Jul 2018 08:08

Spain (no doubt this will be controversial):

1. Valverde
2. Indurain
3. Contador
4. Purito
5. Freire (though this one could easily be Heras/Bahamontes/Ocaña/Delgado)
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13 Jul 2018 08:25

1. R. Szurkowski
2. S. Szozda
3. M. Kwiatkowski
4. R. Majka
5. Z. Jaskuła
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13 Jul 2018 08:29

1. Nairo Quintana
2. Lucho Herrera
3. Cochise Rodriguez
4. Esteban Chaves
5. Santiago Botero, Fabio Parra, Rigoberto Uran

The difference in eras makes this really hard. Not to mention that some spent the majority of their careers in Colombia doesn't make it any easier.
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13 Jul 2018 08:33

del1962 wrote:On the proviso that we are talking Male, and we are talking those that represented Britain

1. Chris Froome
2. Mark Cavendish
3. Brad Wiggins
4. Tom Simpson
5. One from Boardman, G or Robert Millar


This.

2,3 and 4 order could be argued. I'd throw in the other Millar and Barry Hoban into the mix for 5 also. Both won 10 GT stages, whilst Hoban also won GW and Millar has his WC medals.
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