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The Rohan Dennis threat

11 Sep 2018 18:18

We can joke about the 'process' that his GT dream is, but I gotta give it to him. Best flat TT'er in the world right now. Rode 4 ITTs in GTs this year, won 3, and only lost the prologue of the Giro by 2s.

Looks like a real threat for the Worlds
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11 Sep 2018 18:44

I love the title.

Dennis has been a real threat for the worlds in a few years, though. He was also almost a guaranteed silver medal in Rio Olympics if his TT handlebar hadn't broken off.

But yeah. We could be entering a new era with Dennis in the leading role like Cancellara and Tony Martin in their heydays (if the guy decides to not make a full blown Wiggo transformation, that is)
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11 Sep 2018 19:07

Thanks for the thread. Yes after today I think you might be right. Dennis TT form is perfectly timed. He should be absolutely flying at the Worlds.
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11 Sep 2018 20:29

Yeah great ride today. Would be nice if he would find a second speciality. He tried GC in Giro but cracked hard in the 3rd week.
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11 Sep 2018 20:31

Cance > TheRest wrote:I love the title.

Dennis has been a real threat for the worlds in a few years, though. He was also almost a guaranteed silver medal in Rio Olympics if his TT handlebar hadn't broken off.

But yeah. We could be entering a new era with Dennis in the leading role like Cancellara and Tony Martin in their heydays (if the guy decides to not make a full blown Wiggo transformation, that is)

You are forgetting that Wiggo actually got significantly better in time trials after the transformation, so Bradley Dennis would be extremely scary. He would have putten 2 minutes into the opposition today!
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11 Sep 2018 20:44

I mean, probably better not to count on once-in-a-century transformations like Wiggins's being replicable.
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11 Sep 2018 20:59

Laplaz wrote:Yeah great ride today. Would be nice if he would find a second speciality. He tried GC in Giro but cracked hard in the 3rd week.

He was still respectable until then, his best chance for a Giro top 10 was probably last year.
He could probably also be pretty good in shorter stage races that feature an ITT, he already has a top 10 in Romandie when the longer ITT was a MTT and a 2nd place in Tirreno-Adriatico last year, not to mention 2nd places on gc in smaller races like ToB and Cali (twice) and a top 10 in the 2013 Dauphine that featured a longer ITT when he was still young, that's not that bad.
Copeland has said that he won't go for gc in a gt until after the Olympics, but he can still do pretty well in short stage races that feature an ITT while being a dominant TT specialist at the same time.
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11 Sep 2018 23:19

hrotha wrote:I mean, probably better not to count on once-in-a-century transformations like Wiggins's being replicable.


His ride in the Giro was about as expected. The third week was too much for him.
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12 Sep 2018 06:24

Valv.Piti wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:I love the title.

Dennis has been a real threat for the worlds in a few years, though. He was also almost a guaranteed silver medal in Rio Olympics if his TT handlebar hadn't broken off.

But yeah. We could be entering a new era with Dennis in the leading role like Cancellara and Tony Martin in their heydays (if the guy decides to not make a full blown Wiggo transformation, that is)

You are forgetting that Wiggo actually got significantly better in time trials after the transformation, so Bradley Dennis would be extremely scary. He would have putten 2 minutes into the opposition today!

Yeah, that's right. Wiggins-transformation is probably a bad example as I guess Wiggins is the exception to the rule.
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12 Sep 2018 11:43

There are only 2 super timetrialist left Him and Dumoulin. Gold & silver looks to decided between those 2
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12 Sep 2018 11:57

IndianCyclist wrote:There are only 2 super timetrialist left Him and Dumoulin. Gold & silver looks to decided between those 2

Really Dennis should be in better form considering Dumoulin has had to recover from a Giro/Tour double.

Not sure who the route favours. Plenty of flat but that is one solid climb in a 50+km ITT.

I also think this ITT is too long and too hard to not have an effect on the road race.
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12 Sep 2018 12:50

The problem for Dennis is, that he never seems to do exceptionally well in TT's longer than 35/40km. (see also, his world hour record attempt). And the second problem is that the worlds course is really hilly, with even a 5km climb inside. It's not only the climb, the whole final 22km is up and down.

If Dumoulin is even close to his best, he'd beat Dennis on that kind of course.

Second problem, yes he wins a lot of big ITT because its his main focus. But he does benefit from Dumoulins higher focus on GC and lesser weight in many of those. The loss in the Giro prologue is actually very telling how close a rested Dumoulin would actually be, even in flat itt's
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12 Sep 2018 13:06

Giro prologue was super technical.

And I definitely think Dennis has stepped up compared to a few years ago.

Dumoulin in top shape would crush it, but I also remember that Dumoulin had a lot of trouble peaking for the Worlds ITT in 2016, when he finished neither the Giro or Tour
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12 Sep 2018 14:06

That's because he peaked for Giro (but gave up with saddle sore), rode Tour (won 2 stages and gave up after fall) and peaked for olympics (shortly after Tour). He couldn't get a 4th peak. Perfectly normal. Only really sucked in Doha, in the others worlds itt he did below par he still did better than Dennis (richmond i think?)
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12 Sep 2018 15:11

Cance > TheRest wrote:We could be entering a new era with Dennis in the leading role like Cancellara and Tony Martin in their heydays (if the guy decides to not make a full blown Wiggo transformation, that is)


Chances are against it.

If his time trialing peak lasts to the same age as Cancellara's and Martin's did (28-29 being the last peak year, big downturn starting the season they turn 30), then next season will be his last at this level.
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12 Sep 2018 16:45

GuyIncognito wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:We could be entering a new era with Dennis in the leading role like Cancellara and Tony Martin in their heydays (if the guy decides to not make a full blown Wiggo transformation, that is)


Chances are against it.

If his time trialing peak lasts to the same age as Cancellara's and Martin's did (28-29 being the last peak year, big downturn starting the season they turn 30), then next season will be his last at this level.

In Cancellara's case, I also think his "decline" started because he changed his priorities to the classics when Martin came along and started beating him in 2011. I don't think it's a given that riders experience a decline in their time trial abilities when they hit 28-29 years. Wiggins was at his best when he was 31-34 years old
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