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WADA Getting Ready to Reinstate Russia

16 Sep 2018 00:36

The more you think things are different, the more they are the same.
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16 Sep 2018 12:07

Who is on this "Compliance Committee", the members of it must be known, and that narrows it down to a handful of WADA people who are pushing these corrupt bargains. There is probably some structural pattern within the organization

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/15/sports/wada-beckie-scott-russia-doping.html

As it pertains to cycling, WADA became like a joke when they dropped the Froome case - and the selective pursuit of Russian athletics, only to backtrack on this stuff, of course calls into question the credibility of WADA in other sports.

Maybe Russian operatives have компромат on prominent athletes and/or WADA, so there's gonna be a 'deal' ??? :cool:
Or maybe just a regular tainted deal, without the extortionate part. Tygart says "it stinks", and the resignations and condemnations mean some antidoping representatives are unhappy about that. Or, at least they want to publicly dissociate themselves from the decision
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Re: WADA Getting Ready to Reinstate Russia

16 Sep 2018 13:06

MarkvW wrote:The more you think things are different, the more they are the same.


Can you please tell us how things are the same?
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16 Sep 2018 13:12

ClassicomanoLuigi wrote:Who is on this "Compliance Committee", the members of it must be known, and that narrows it down to a handful of WADA people who are pushing these corrupt bargains. There is probably some structural pattern within the organization

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/15/sports/wada-beckie-scott-russia-doping.html

As it pertains to cycling, WADA became like a joke when they dropped the Froome case - and the selective pursuit of Russian athletics, only to backtrack on this stuff, of course calls into question the credibility of WADA in other sports.

Maybe Russian operatives have компромат on prominent athletes and/or WADA, so there's gonna be a 'deal' ??? :cool:
Or maybe just a regular tainted deal, without the extortionate part. Tygart says "it stinks", and the resignations and condemnations mean some antidoping representatives are unhappy about that. Or, at least they want to publicly dissociate themselves from the decision



Tygart says nothing but anti Russian things, all the time. He hasn't even had one constructive thing to say. 'Ban Russia,' 'non-compliant,' 'ruining fair play,' 'corruption.' He's brought nothing to the table.

It seems that nothing the Russians do is right. What exactly are they supposed to do? The athletics federation has been banned for almost three years. What does Tygart want?

All because one guy currently living in California, wasn't happy that he wasn't getting enough money...
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16 Sep 2018 14:22

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Re: WADA Getting Ready to Reinstate Russia

17 Sep 2018 01:12

It's kind of a moot point, yes? After the convoluted expunging of Froome's AAF, WADA can say whatever WADA wants to say. It's all for show -- means jack. That is, whatever they use for justification/rationalization carries the same weight as air.
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20 Sep 2018 06:14

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/who-we-are/governance/compliance-review-committee
Jonathan TAYLOR QC (Chair)
United Kingdom

Henry GOURDJI (Vice Chair)
Canada

Tom DIELEN
Belgium

Barbara LEISHMAN
Switzerland/UK

Beckie SCOTT
Canada

Bente SKOVGAARD KRISTENSEN
Denmark


(EDIT - see Beckie Scott has resigned https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/trackandfield/beckie-scott-wada-russian-doping-agency-1.4825469
The move comes after that six-person committee recommended on Friday that the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) be reinstated.
)


The Seychelles huh? Chosen for it's high profile sporting prowess? :rolleyes:

The Swedish anti-Doping Agency has put it's name on the USADA proposal to keep RUSADA suspended
https://www.usada.org/anti-doping-leaders-urge-wada-to-postpone-russian-reinstatement/
We cannot understand or accept that the simple fact that the two remaining conditions – regarding Russian acceptance of the McLaren Report and access for WADA to the Moscow laboratory – remain unfulfilled, and yet WADA’s leading compliance body is recommending the reinstatement of a country that perpetrated the worst doping system ever seen in international sport.
...This statement was made by anti-doping leaders from around the world, including: Australia, Austria, Canada, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

in Swedish at
https://www.dn.se/sport/sverige-emot-att-erkanna-rysslands-antidopningsbyra/
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20 Sep 2018 06:36

https://twitter.com/Athlete365/status/1042402357915660288
The IOC Athletes' Commission have discussed in detail the recommendations of the @wada_ama Compliance Review Committee (CRC) and agreed in principle with the recommendations made. We would like to see a clear process & timeline for receiving & fully verifying the lab data.


They want a date for when RUSADA must agree to WADA's demand on the Moscow lab.
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20 Sep 2018 09:59

Swedes and Norwegians saying no to letting the Ruskies back -

https://www.dn.se/sport/sverige-emot-att-erkanna-rysslands-antidopningsbyra/

"WADA's credibility will be defined by this moment" says Norway's rep. (stop laughing at the back there!)
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20 Sep 2018 13:19

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1070175/rusada-reinstated-by-wada-executive-committee

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Executive Committee has defied the outcry from athletes and other organisations by comfortably voting 9-2 in favour of the reinstatement of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) at a meeting in the Seychelles today.

The decision to rubber-stamp the recommendation Compliance Review Committee (CRC) was widely expected, with one member confirming yesterday that all five representatives of the Sports Movement would vote to declare RUSADA compliant.

There was one abstention, insidethegames understands.

It brings an end to RUSADA's three-year suspension, first initiated in November 2015 following allegations on state-sponsored doping in Russian athletics.

WADA President Sir Craig Reedie warned today that RUSADA could be declared non-compliant again if they do not follow a "clear timeline" on access to the samples and data at the Moscow Laboratory.

"Today, the great majority of WADA’s Executive Committee decided to reinstate RUSADA as compliant with the Code subject to strict conditions, upon recommendation by the Agency’s independent CRC and in accordance with an agreed process," Sir Craig said.

WADA vice-president Linda Helleland had already declared her intention to vote against RUSADA's reinstatement after claiming the compromise reached undermines the credibility of the organisation.
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20 Sep 2018 13:21

https://twitter.com/wada_ama/status/1042758905938501634
WADA President, Sir Craig Reedie: “Today, the great majority of WADA’s ExCo decided to reinstate RUSADA as compliant with the Code subject to strict conditions, upon recommendation by the Agency’s independent CRC and in accordance with an agreed process. (1/2)


https://twitter.com/wada_ama/status/1042759213364256768
“This decision provides a clear timeline by which WADA must be given access to the former Moscow laboratory data and samples with a clear commitment by the ExCo that should this timeline not be met, it would support the CRC’s recommendation to reinstate non-compliance.” (2/2)
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20 Sep 2018 21:37

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-reinstates-russian-anti-doping-agency-to-outcry/
RUSADA must now provide WADA with authenticated LIMS data and the underlying analytical data from the Moscow laboratory by December 31, 2018, and all re-analysis of the samples must be completed by June 30, 2019.

Additionally, RUSADA must undergo an audit within the next four months to test their compliance with the WADA code. WADA will continue to have independent experts at RUSADA's headquarters and on RUSADA's Supervisory Board for reports and audits.


So who wants to bet on the Ruskies meeting WADA's demands? A tragic accident maybe at the lab, like a fire or a flooding or a power failure, or maybe it's all on a laptop that gets stolen in Greece.
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21 Sep 2018 03:28

Robert5091 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-reinstates-russian-anti-doping-agency-to-outcry/
RUSADA must now provide WADA with authenticated LIMS data and the underlying analytical data from the Moscow laboratory by December 31, 2018, and all re-analysis of the samples must be completed by June 30, 2019.

Additionally, RUSADA must undergo an audit within the next four months to test their compliance with the WADA code. WADA will continue to have independent experts at RUSADA's headquarters and on RUSADA's Supervisory Board for reports and audits.


So who wants to bet on the Ruskies meeting WADA's demands? A tragic accident maybe at the lab, like a fire or a flooding or a power failure, or maybe it's all on a laptop that gets stolen in Greece.

Recently acknowledged issues with the testing methodologies, inability to replicate the exact conditions in effect during testing, and Froome's failing kidneys mean the Ruskies must be reinstated, but otherwise WADA will bring the hammer down on PED users in sports worldwide, with conviction. :lol:

Some poor schlub (non-elite level) will be targeted now to be made an example of -- see, world, we (WADA) are on vigil and kicking a$$!
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Re: WADA Getting Ready to Reinstate Russia

21 Sep 2018 07:00

This is old news, but actually hasn't been cited in The Clinic yet
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/sports/olympics/world-anti-doping-agency-russia-cheating.html

Still, there did not appear to be an appetite to look deeper into Russia, especially after a new president came on board in 2014. His name was Craig Reedie, a longtime I.O.C. official who had been involved with WADA from the start. When Mr. Reedie took over as head of the agency, things changed, several staffers said.

At the same time, Russia began giving an extra donation to WADA, with no reason earmarked on WADA’s financial statements — an unusual move. In all, in the past three years, Russia has given an extra $1.14 million on top of its annual contribution, which was $746,000 in 2015. A spokesman for the agency confirmed Russia’s contributions and said countries that choose to make additional donations had never received special treatment.

Mr. Reedie, a Scot who once led the international badminton federation, was a smooth and popular leader in the political world of the Olympics.
In antidoping circles, he is not regarded as an aggressive crusader.
We’re not going to turn to people and say, ‘These are the rules; obey them,’” Mr. Reedie said in the lounge of the five-star Lausanne Palace hotel in Switzerland this month.
So Reedie says that WADA can't actually tell anyone there are rules to obey, and Russia was giving unexplained extra payments to WADA of about $400,000 / year. I didn't know about those payments, that is what was most striking about the NYT investigation
How about the current WADA finances, how much is Russia paying? Did they withdraw all payments during the ban, or what...

BBC also has this breaking news
Russia doping ban: Wada tried to help Rusada lift ban in May
https://www.bbc.com/sport/45582770

says Olivier Niggli is responsible for negotiating this with the Russians three months ago
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21 Sep 2018 08:39

Robert5091 wrote:https://www.wada-ama.org/en/who-we-are/governance/compliance-review-committee
Jonathan TAYLOR QC (Chair)
United Kingdom

Henry GOURDJI (Vice Chair)
Canada

Tom DIELEN
Belgium

Barbara LEISHMAN
Switzerland/UK

Beckie SCOTT
Canada

Bente SKOVGAARD KRISTENSEN
Denmark


(EDIT - see Beckie Scott has resigned https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/trackandfield/beckie-scott-wada-russian-doping-agency-1.4825469
The move comes after that six-person committee recommended on Friday that the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) be reinstated.
)


The Seychelles huh? Chosen for it's high profile sporting prowess? :rolleyes:

The Swedish anti-Doping Agency has put it's name on the USADA proposal to keep RUSADA suspended
https://www.usada.org/anti-doping-leaders-urge-wada-to-postpone-russian-reinstatement/
We cannot understand or accept that the simple fact that the two remaining conditions – regarding Russian acceptance of the McLaren Report and access for WADA to the Moscow laboratory – remain unfulfilled, and yet WADA’s leading compliance body is recommending the reinstatement of a country that perpetrated the worst doping system ever seen in international sport.
...This statement was made by anti-doping leaders from around the world, including: Australia, Austria, Canada, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

in Swedish at
https://www.dn.se/sport/sverige-emot-att-erkanna-rysslands-antidopningsbyra/


Ha ha...Seychelles. Obviously chosen for its central location, cheap accomodation, good transport links and easy accessibility :lol:

I wonder who picks up the tab....
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Re: WADA Getting Ready to Reinstate Russia

21 Sep 2018 12:52

So did WADA look at the FIFA bribery scandal and say, "we can do that too!" :D
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22 Sep 2018 03:31

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/21/wada-head-russia-reinstatement-triumph-money-over-clean-sport
David Howman, who ran Wada from 2003 to 2016 and is now the head of the Athletics Integrity Unit, strongly criticised the president, Sir Craig Reedie, for caving in to pressure from the International Olympic Committee and sports federations eager to stage events in Russia again.

“I am a little disappointed, to say the least,” Howman said. “This looks like they have taken the decision to deviate from a carefully put-together roadmap for entirely pragmatic reasons. Wada has gone from being an organisation that cared about clean athletes to one that cares about international federations that have not been able to stage events in Russia: it’s money over principle. That is a quite a difference, quite a swing, from what Wada once was.”
...
Instead of Russia having to acknowledge its doping was state-sponsored and grant unconditional access to the Moscow laboratory’s data and stored samples before reinstatement (in line with the mutually-agreed “roadmap to compliance” Howman referred to), it now only has to admit that “certain individuals” were to blame, and the lab access comes with conditions and a new timetable. Like many in the anti-doping community, Howman is at a loss to understand why Wada has agreed to this.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - that's why!
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22 Sep 2018 07:44

^^not just money, but IMO members of WADA, IOC et al are scared of Russian hacking (as perhaps they should be!). Perhaps some not so subtle digital threats were delivered.

We've seen what Russian cyberwarriors can do if they put their mind to it, just ask the US Democratic party...there was no way they'd bring the hammer down on Russian athletics federation.
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22 Sep 2018 08:22

Bolder wrote:^^not just money, but IMO members of WADA, IOC et al are scared of Russian hacking (as perhaps they should be!). Perhaps some not so subtle digital threats were delivered.

We've seen what Russian cyberwarriors can do if they put their mind to it, just ask the US Democratic party...there was no way they'd bring the hammer down on Russian athletics federation.


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Sponsorship makes up 45% of IOC funding so ... no scandals please!
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22 Sep 2018 10:08

I wonder why people give some much creedence to the utterings of Travis Tygart,USADA and any American Sporting Organisation - They have a track record of hiding positive tests and giving soft penalties - And the athletes who cry crocodile tears is amazing - It's like they are purer than white snow.
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