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Tokyo 2020 Olympics - pre games news

12 Jan 2019 10:28

Let's start off a thread about the 2020 Olympics that's all about fair play & sport & ...

nah, give us the dirt on corruption!

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/11/sport/tokyo-2020-olympics-corruption-tsunekazu-takeda-spt-intl/index.html
The head of the Japanese Olympic Committee (JOC) Tsunekazu Takeda was placed under formal investigation in Paris last month for corruption, a spokeswoman for the Paris Financial Prosecutor told CNN Friday.

The investigation relates to the bidding process for the Olympic Games, with reports that a suspect payment of €1.8 million (US $2 million) was made around the announcement that Tokyo was to host the 2020 Olympics.
Takeda, a former show jumper who competed at the 1972 and 1976 Olympics, has been the president of the JOC since 2001 and was instrumental in Tokyo winning the right to host the Games. He's also a member of the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

"It appears that wrong information is being distributed about me indicted based on today's article on Le Monde," Takeda said in a statement. "There is no such description in the article, nor such a fact exist."
Takeda acknowledged a sum had been paid to Singapore company Black Tidings for "fair compensation based on a consultant agreement."

But he added: "I have explained there were no improper action that can be recognized as bribing has taken place.
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12 Jan 2019 20:32

Interesting. Then consider that for 2024 only two cities even were in the running for and thus we end up with Paris for 2024 and LA for 2028. It's very likely that LA will yet again turn a profit from the Olympics simply because they only have to refurbish some of their existing facilities and not build much new. This is part of the reason they can turn a profit. They never bid where they are required to build new for the Olympics. They also ensure that in their bid they have the right to use existing facilities, which they have more than enough of, esp considering they have 3 major Universities in the city, plus a bunch of pro sports teams.
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12 Jan 2019 22:19

Back in 2016 The Guardian had the dirt on this -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/11/tokyo-olympics-payment-diack-2020-games
It is now understood that among transactions under suspicion are payments totalling about €1.3m apparently sent from the Tokyo 2020 bid, or those acting on their behalf, directly to the Black Tidings secret bank account in Singapore. The account is linked to Lamine Diack’s son, Papa Massata Diack, who was employed by the IAAF as a marketing consultant.

Lamine Diack, IAAF president from 1999 to last year, was still an influential IOC member in 2013 when Tokyo beat fellow bidders Istanbul and Madrid.

Black Tidings is at the heart of the allegations of institutionalised corruption at the IAAF over more than a decade.
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The Black Tidings account first came to prominence when it emerged that the account was the channel for a €300,000 refund paid to Russian marathon runner Liliya Shobukhova in March 2014 after a botched attempt to cover up a positive drugs test.

The IAAF’s independent ethics commission began investigating the affair later that year and in a damning 170-page report this January banned four senior officials, including Papa Massata Diack and its former anti-doping chief Gabriel Dollé, over the corruption and extortion racket.


more about IOC & Japan - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/11/tokyo-olympic-games-2020-ioc-international-olympic-committee-corruption-bid-scandal
Those with long memories will recall that Japan previously played fast and loose with the rules – as did many other nations. Nagano won the right to host the 1998 Winter Games after providing IOC members with trips to luxury hot spring resorts, first-class air tickets, and geisha – although they insisted no sexual favours were provided – while the-then IOC president, Juan Antonio Samaranch, was put up in the top suite at the Hotel Kokusai 21, which the Nagano Olympic Committee rented for 30 days at $2,700 a night.

The largesse didn’t end there. Nagano also provided millions of dollars in corporate contributions to help build an Olympic museum in Switzerland while the bidding race was going on. Mere coincidence, it claimed. All this was meticulously documented by its bid committee in a series of files that filled 10 large cardboard boxes. However when the focus turned on them, the papers were burned. As the bid’s former vice secretary-general Sumikazu Yamaguchi sheepishly explained: “I didn’t want the IOC members to be uncomfortable.”


edit - update - https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190113_03/
The Japanese Olympic Committee says President Tsunekazu Takeda will talk about the corruption probe in France at a news conference on Tuesday.
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Sources say Takeda wants to speak for himself and present the facts at the news conference in Tokyo.
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13 Jan 2019 00:35

Koronin wrote:Interesting. Then consider that for 2024 only two cities even were in the running for and thus we end up with Paris for 2024 and LA for 2028. It's very likely that LA will yet again turn a profit from the Olympics simply because they only have to refurbish some of their existing facilities and not build much new. This is part of the reason they can turn a profit. They never bid where they are required to build new for the Olympics. They also ensure that in their bid they have the right to use existing facilities, which they have more than enough of, esp considering they have 3 major Universities in the city, plus a bunch of pro sports teams.
This is the only reason why any place should bid for the Olympics these days - it's because they already have some sites that only need some updating.

Otherwise you'll just be losing a whole a lot of money on the Games if you need to build brand new! (Smart on the part of the nations who outright refuse to bid for the Olympics, methinks.)
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13 Jan 2019 00:47

Tricycle Rider wrote:
Koronin wrote:Interesting. Then consider that for 2024 only two cities even were in the running for and thus we end up with Paris for 2024 and LA for 2028. It's very likely that LA will yet again turn a profit from the Olympics simply because they only have to refurbish some of their existing facilities and not build much new. This is part of the reason they can turn a profit. They never bid where they are required to build new for the Olympics. They also ensure that in their bid they have the right to use existing facilities, which they have more than enough of, esp considering they have 3 major Universities in the city, plus a bunch of pro sports teams.
This is the only reason why any place should bid for the Olympics these days - it's because they already have some sites that only need some updating.

Otherwise you'll just be losing a whole a lot of money on the Games if you need to build brand new! (Smart on the part of the nations who outright refuse to bid for the Olympics, methinks.)



Exactly. The few things that they may build new will end up being used by one of the Universities.

I remember Atlanta did build a few things new, but they had specific plans for those after as well and Atlanta broke even on their Olympics.
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13 Jan 2019 05:10

The timing of this is quite interesting, since there were allegations a few years ago but nothing happened. I don't know if anyone here's been following the Nissan/Ghosn situation, but CEO Ghosn, was tossed in the slammer and who knows if he's actually guilty, so people are saying it could be tit for tat from the French bringing this about now (Renault is deeply involved with Nissan). Then again, maybe it's not.. just putting it here regardless!
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13 Jan 2019 11:56

Tricycle Rider wrote:
Koronin wrote:Interesting. Then consider that for 2024 only two cities even were in the running for and thus we end up with Paris for 2024 and LA for 2028. It's very likely that LA will yet again turn a profit from the Olympics simply because they only have to refurbish some of their existing facilities and not build much new. This is part of the reason they can turn a profit. They never bid where they are required to build new for the Olympics. They also ensure that in their bid they have the right to use existing facilities, which they have more than enough of, esp considering they have 3 major Universities in the city, plus a bunch of pro sports teams.
This is the only reason why any place should bid for the Olympics these days - it's because they already have some sites that only need some updating.

Otherwise you'll just be losing a whole a lot of money on the Games if you need to build brand new! (Smart on the part of the nations who outright refuse to bid for the Olympics, methinks.)

Yea but generally, the Olympics are handed out to countries whose bids are contingent on new venues, so mates of the IOC's reps can get lucrative contracts to build them. Why do you think Munich's Winter Olympic bid - including the 1972 Olympic stadium, Königsee luge/bob venue, Garmisch ski jump & Alpine runs and Ruhpolding's biathlon venue - fell apart while places like Beijing - which doesn't even have any Alpine venues big enough for a real, genuinely challenging Olympic downhill - get the nod?
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13 Jan 2019 18:47

Libertine Seguros wrote:
Tricycle Rider wrote:
Koronin wrote:Interesting. Then consider that for 2024 only two cities even were in the running for and thus we end up with Paris for 2024 and LA for 2028. It's very likely that LA will yet again turn a profit from the Olympics simply because they only have to refurbish some of their existing facilities and not build much new. This is part of the reason they can turn a profit. They never bid where they are required to build new for the Olympics. They also ensure that in their bid they have the right to use existing facilities, which they have more than enough of, esp considering they have 3 major Universities in the city, plus a bunch of pro sports teams.
This is the only reason why any place should bid for the Olympics these days - it's because they already have some sites that only need some updating.

Otherwise you'll just be losing a whole a lot of money on the Games if you need to build brand new! (Smart on the part of the nations who outright refuse to bid for the Olympics, methinks.)

Yea but generally, the Olympics are handed out to countries whose bids are contingent on new venues, so mates of the IOC's reps can get lucrative contracts to build them. Why do you think Munich's Winter Olympic bid - including the 1972 Olympic stadium, Königsee luge/bob venue, Garmisch ski jump & Alpine runs and Ruhpolding's biathlon venue - fell apart while places like Beijing - which doesn't even have any Alpine venues big enough for a real, genuinely challenging Olympic downhill - get the nod?


Hence the reason LA only bids when they know very few if any other cities/countries want it again. They aren't going to build new when they already have what they need. The LA Collissuem was built for the LA summer Olympics of 1924. It got a huge overall for the 1984 LA Summer Olympics and is yet again getting a huge overall haul for the 2028 LA Summer Olympics. Plus USC is going to be thrilled with it getting the over haul as that is where they play their football games. UCLA's one arena will get a huge overall for the gymnastics events, and I think it's Cal that has the aquatic center that will get an overhaul.
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15 Jan 2019 01:07

Libertine Seguros wrote:Yea but generally, the Olympics are handed out to countries whose bids are contingent on new venues, so mates of the IOC's reps can get lucrative contracts to build them. Why do you think Munich's Winter Olympic bid - including the 1972 Olympic stadium, Königsee luge/bob venue, Garmisch ski jump & Alpine runs and Ruhpolding's biathlon venue - fell apart while places like Beijing - which doesn't even have any Alpine venues big enough for a real, genuinely challenging Olympic downhill - get the nod?
I don't disagree with this at all - lucrative contracts are great for the people who stand to temporarily financially gain from them, but what average (somewhat athletic) person will use the highly sport-specific sites once the Olympics are over?

Think the Winter Games are more costly in those terms, I mean, most people can make use of a running track, a pool, or a basketball court, but how many of us can slide down a bobsledding track or do some ski jumping just because the impulse has hit us?

Think we're all being a little too practical and frugal here, but that's probably because we don't stand to make any money from the Games.
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15 Jan 2019 01:41

Tricycle Rider wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:Yea but generally, the Olympics are handed out to countries whose bids are contingent on new venues, so mates of the IOC's reps can get lucrative contracts to build them. Why do you think Munich's Winter Olympic bid - including the 1972 Olympic stadium, Königsee luge/bob venue, Garmisch ski jump & Alpine runs and Ruhpolding's biathlon venue - fell apart while places like Beijing - which doesn't even have any Alpine venues big enough for a real, genuinely challenging Olympic downhill - get the nod?
I don't disagree with this at all - lucrative contracts are great for the people who stand to temporarily financially gain from them, but what average (somewhat athletic) person will use the highly sport-specific sites once the Olympics are over?

Think the Winter Games are more costly in those terms, I mean, most people can make use of a running track, a pool, or a basketball court, but how many of us can slide down a bobsledding track or do some ski jumping just because the impulse has hit us?

Think we're all being a little too practical and frugal here, but that's probably because we don't stand to make any money from the Games.



I think this is why the two in the US have become Olympic training facilities and I know Lake Placid uses the bobsled course for anyone who wants to pay to get rides down it in a 2 or 4 man bobsled with a licensed driver.

In this case, it's likely also the reason only LA has made money and only Atlanta has broken even with the summer games. Enough pro and college sports around for other uses for the facilities.
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15 Jan 2019 02:13

Koronin wrote:
I think this is why the two in the US have become Olympic training facilities and I know Lake Placid uses the bobsled course for anyone who wants to pay to get rides down it in a 2 or 4 man bobsled with a licensed driver.

In this case, it's likely also the reason only LA has made money and only Atlanta has broken even with the summer games. Enough pro and college sports around for other uses for the facilities.
Wait what, this is a thing? Sounds more like a Disney ride if all you need is a licensed driver.

I mean, I'm used to watching the pros all having to push/balance their weight in the bobsled and such, it all sounds incredibly technical on that level. Which I'm sure it is.
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15 Jan 2019 02:30

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Koronin wrote:
I think this is why the two in the US have become Olympic training facilities and I know Lake Placid uses the bobsled course for anyone who wants to pay to get rides down it in a 2 or 4 man bobsled with a licensed driver.

In this case, it's likely also the reason only LA has made money and only Atlanta has broken even with the summer games. Enough pro and college sports around for other uses for the facilities.
Wait what, this is a thing? Sounds more like a Disney ride if all you need is a licensed driver.

I mean, I'm used to watching the pros all having to push/balance their weight in the bobsled and such, it all sounds incredibly technical on that level. Which I'm sure it is.



A licensed bobsled driver. Basically they provide the driver for you. Yes I'd love to go there and try it.
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15 Jan 2019 03:16

Koronin wrote:
Tricycle Rider wrote:
Koronin wrote:
I think this is why the two in the US have become Olympic training facilities and I know Lake Placid uses the bobsled course for anyone who wants to pay to get rides down it in a 2 or 4 man bobsled with a licensed driver.

In this case, it's likely also the reason only LA has made money and only Atlanta has broken even with the summer games. Enough pro and college sports around for other uses for the facilities.
Wait what, this is a thing? Sounds more like a Disney ride if all you need is a licensed driver.

I mean, I'm used to watching the pros all having to push/balance their weight in the bobsled and such, it all sounds incredibly technical on that level. Which I'm sure it is.



A licensed bobsled driver. Basically they provide the driver for you. Yes I'd love to go there and try it.
My apologies, I did omit saying it's actually supposed to be a licensed bobsled driver.

Sounds kinda fun, but would you have a licensed bobsled braker in the back of the sled?
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15 Jan 2019 03:46

Here's the info: https://www.whiteface.com/activities/bobsled-experience

Some of the info is here: http://www.whiteface.com/sites/default/files/public/Bobsled_Questions.pdf

Yes driver and break man and up to 3 passengers.

You can also do Skeleton and Luge.

Don't see anything on the 2-man, thought they did that one as well. Maybe not.
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15 Jan 2019 10:28

Giving it the old Sergeant Schultz, "I know nothing" line, says he just signed the documents.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20190115_43/
The head of Japan's Olympic Committee is denying any wrongdoing related to allegations he used bribes to help secure the 2020 Tokyo Games.

Tsunekazu Takeda is currently under formal investigation by French authorities.

The case relates to a 2 million dollar payment to a Singapore-based firm with links to the son of an influential International Olympic Committee member.

During a news conference on Tuesday, Takeda said he signed off on the payment, but the documents and transactions were approved by people on the ground.

He said, "As for the contract with Black Tidings, I was not involved in the decision making process in any shape or form. The JOC's internal probe has concluded that the payment to the firm was proper compensation for consulting services. I will prove my innocence by fully cooperating with French authorities."

The former IOC member allegedly connected to the firm is currently facing separate corruption charges in France.

Takeda's news conference lasted less than 10 minutes. And he did not take any questions from journalists, pointing to the ongoing French probe.

Associated Press correspondent Stephen Wade said, "In Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. We spent a lot of time writing about corruption. This is very similar .. Tokyo has been going so well and this is a black mark in Tokyo games."

Japan's Sports Minister says the country's Olympic Committee has a responsibility to clear up any doubt about the allegations.
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