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13 Sep 2016 16:42

Pippo Pozzato 2020 World Champ!!!! :D
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13 Sep 2016 17:41

Netserk wrote:Why? (is it a shame)


Would assume he would have liked it to be a little shorter = more climbing
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13 Sep 2016 19:12

Valv.Piti wrote:
Netserk wrote:Why? (is it a shame)


Would assume he would have liked it to be a little shorter = more climbing


Knowing RCS that is gonna be a 275+km length race, otherwise known as real WC length. None of this 255 business that has become the norm
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13 Sep 2016 19:33

Valv.Piti wrote:
Netserk wrote:Why? (is it a shame)


Would assume he would have liked it to be a little shorter = more climbing

It'd (afaik) have less vertical meters per km if you shortened the circuit... (but you are free to draw an alternative circuit to show me wrong ;) )

Why is the length of the circuit in itself a problem? I think it's great, especially how the last 5km are the easiest, while the rest of it doesn't benefit the bunch too much, so we will probably see real racing before the last lap.
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13 Sep 2016 21:37

Netserk wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:
Netserk wrote:Why? (is it a shame)


Would assume he would have liked it to be a little shorter = more climbing

It'd (afaik) have less vertical meters per km if you shortened the circuit... (but you are free to draw an alternative circuit to show me wrong ;) )

Why is the length of the circuit in itself a problem? I think it's great, especially how the last 5km are the easiest, while the rest of it doesn't benefit the bunch too much, so we will probably see real racing before the last lap.


I don't have any clue to how you could make the circuit, it was just my guess he would have preferred more vertical gain that way. ;)
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13 Sep 2016 23:09

I don't like 20km circuit because you don't get that many circuits in the end. I have not looked at a map so I have no idea what the alternatives are. What I do like is that both climbs are about equally hard and that they're not at the last part of the circuit.
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14 Sep 2016 06:22

Red Rick wrote:I don't like 20km circuit because you don't get that many circuits in the end. I have not looked at a map so I have no idea what the alternatives are. What I do like is that both climbs are about equally hard and that they're not at the last part of the circuit.

But why does that matter, if the circuit is good? It has two climbs in it with about 10km in between, and it only has 6km of flat (7km, if you count the 1km before the second climb) out of 20.75km. The great advantage of the circuit length is that all the flat is not only concentrated to the end, but that it is 5.4km of flat in the end, so it really forces action further out, without being so large a part of the circuit that it is easily controllable. In fantasy land, where you are not limited by the roads and the area, I'm sure an improvement could be made, but even then, I think it's pretty damn awesome as it is given the difficulty as it is.

The easiest way to shorten it would be to skip the part between km 4.75 and km 13.2, so it'd be 12.3km long (much shorter, so much win!), or you could skip the second climb and replace it with flat (you'd take 3.7km away and replace it with 1.5km). I just don't see any shorter circuit that is better, given that you start by climbing Berico, but you could make it tougher, by adding a third climb (Via Pilla), but then the circuit would get longer (oh no!).

The relevant part of the circuit: http://i.imgur.com/0CgAszW.png?1 (the red dots are the original circuit, the marked part of the profile show what's added by the Pilla climb)
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14 Sep 2016 06:55

Netserk wrote:
Red Rick wrote:I don't like 20km circuit because you don't get that many circuits in the end.

But why does that matter, if the circuit is good?


The fans at the circuit would see the riders less times, with longer intervals. Sixteen km maximum please.
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14 Sep 2016 07:11

Fair enough, but there would also be space for more fans if it was a bit longer ;)
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14 Sep 2016 07:50

Netserk wrote:Fair enough, but there would also be space for more fans if it was a bit longer ;)


That usually isn't the problem, except for the climb(s) during last couple of laps of the pro road race. ;)
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14 Sep 2016 15:01

The map of the circuit, in case anybody's interested:
http://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/hd/76587
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15 Sep 2016 08:36

GenericBoonenFan wrote:
Ryo Hazuki wrote:Fernando Gaviria Rendón (Etixx Quick Step)

Rigoberto Urán Urán (Cannondale)

Edwin Alcibiades Ávila Vanegas (Team Illuminate)

Carlos Eduardo Alzate Escobar (United HealtCare)

Jarlinson Pantano Gómez (IAM Cycling)

Jhoan Esteban Chaves Rubio (Orica BikeExchange)

Walter Alejandro Vargas Alzate (Orgullo Antioqueño)

Omar Alberto Mendoza Alzate (Movistar Team América)

Brayan Steven Ramírez Chacón (Movistar Team América)


list of colombian riders for the world championships. last 3 will also do the itt is my bet


really? not Uran?

uran lost any interest in itt since leaving quickstep
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15 Sep 2016 15:03

Gran Piemonte presented today

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17 Sep 2016 20:36

Mentioned it in the Paralympic incident thread no one is going to read, but an Iranian rider in the Paralympic road race, Bahman Golbarnezhad, died after a crash early in the race.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/disability-sport/37398333
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21 Sep 2016 22:10

Tour de France 2017 will be the last competition of Thomas Voeckler as a pro.

A fitting end.
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22 Sep 2016 13:21

Aquablue, the proposed new Hiberno-French ProConti team, are saying that they've now sent ten riders final contracts to be signed after terms were agreed. So, much to my surprise, it does look like the team will actually happen. They've also bought the IAM team bus.

According to stickybottle, they will have a sixteen rider roster and are in negotiations with more than six riders to fill the remaining six team places.

It will be interesting to see both how many Irish riders they sign as, to be blunt, I'm not at all sure where they will find a substantial cohort of Irish riders who are ready to step up to ProConti level, and what level of international rider they bring in.
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23 Sep 2016 13:01

Provisional startlist of Giro di Lombardia
http://static2.ilombardia.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CI0109PAR_lomb.pdf

No Quintana nor Valverde for Movistar.
There is Van Avermaet despite the hard route.
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Yesterday 13:40

Nirvana wrote:There is Van Avermaet despite the hard route.

Olympic RR was said to be too hard for GVA as well :)
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Today 06:29

This year Lombardia it's harder then the Olympic RR, if he can manage to stay with climbers in such route would be by far more impressive, it's like a GT mountain stage with almost all climbing in the last 100 kms.
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Today 06:45

Nirvana wrote:Provisional startlist of Giro di Lombardia
http://static2.ilombardia.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CI0109PAR_lomb.pdf

No Quintana nor Valverde for Movistar.
There is Van Avermaet despite the hard route.

Amador, Moreno and Visconti are capable of a result. Surprised that Izaguirre isn't named though.

Orica aren't messing around:

161 SUI19801220 ALBASINI Michael SUI
162 COL19900117 CHAVES RUBIO Johan Esteban COL
163 AUS19930906 HAIG Jack AUS
164 AUS19920813 HOWSON Damien AUS
165 CAN19850221 MEIER Christian CAN
166 ESP19921104 VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos ESP
167 GBR19920807 YATES Adam GBR
168 GBR19920807 YATES Simon GBR
D.S. STEPHENS Neil

:eek:

Them, Astana and Sky look to be the strongest teams on paper.
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