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24 Aug 2016 15:48

Red Rick wrote:
Brullnux wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Dumbest thing is that it's not even gonna be a long WC. It's what, 245km. If you're gonna go flat, make it 350 km at least.

In the heat? That's ridiculous. At 20 degrees that's very hard to get through (that's what, 8+ hours in the saddle?) but in October, when it averages a 35 degree high, that's just calling out for a rider having a serious problem. Come on man, these riders are human. I'm all for making hard courses but the UCI and course organisers kind of made themselves a problem setting it in such heat. A 9 hour race in 35 degree heat borders on actual sadomasochism.

Didn't really consider the temperature, but if the parcours is as is, you have to make it tough in another way. There's a WC sprint practically every year, and that's on the track. 35 shouldn't be too much. They're gonna be pushing 200W for the first 7 hours anyway. Be smart with ice jackets, put in a drinkable fluid from a straw, whatever, figure it out. In MSR they didn't attack the Poggio after 290km, because the race had been too easy, and everyone was fresh. And that's MSR, which actually has hills. Doesn't have to go all the way to 350, but surely 320 should be just about doable.

They ruined it with picking Qatar, there's very little to do after that. It's 35 in the shade, in the sun it will be much higher. You can't do much with that, especially not in Qatar.
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24 Aug 2016 15:57

Brullnux wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Brullnux wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Dumbest thing is that it's not even gonna be a long WC. It's what, 245km. If you're gonna go flat, make it 350 km at least.

In the heat? That's ridiculous. At 20 degrees that's very hard to get through (that's what, 8+ hours in the saddle?) but in October, when it averages a 35 degree high, that's just calling out for a rider having a serious problem. Come on man, these riders are human. I'm all for making hard courses but the UCI and course organisers kind of made themselves a problem setting it in such heat. A 9 hour race in 35 degree heat borders on actual sadomasochism.

Didn't really consider the temperature, but if the parcours is as is, you have to make it tough in another way. There's a WC sprint practically every year, and that's on the track. 35 shouldn't be too much. They're gonna be pushing 200W for the first 7 hours anyway. Be smart with ice jackets, put in a drinkable fluid from a straw, whatever, figure it out. In MSR they didn't attack the Poggio after 290km, because the race had been too easy, and everyone was fresh. And that's MSR, which actually has hills. Doesn't have to go all the way to 350, but surely 320 should be just about doable.

They ruined it with picking Qatar, there's very little to do after that. It's 35 in the shade, in the sun it will be much higher. You can't do much with that, especially not in Qatar.

35 in the shade? That changes things a little. I have an idea, let's hold the world cup there
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24 Aug 2016 16:00

And while we're at it it would be a good place for a CycloX manche!
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24 Aug 2016 16:02

Red Rick wrote:
Brullnux wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Brullnux wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Dumbest thing is that it's not even gonna be a long WC. It's what, 245km. If you're gonna go flat, make it 350 km at least.

In the heat? That's ridiculous. At 20 degrees that's very hard to get through (that's what, 8+ hours in the saddle?) but in October, when it averages a 35 degree high, that's just calling out for a rider having a serious problem. Come on man, these riders are human. I'm all for making hard courses but the UCI and course organisers kind of made themselves a problem setting it in such heat. A 9 hour race in 35 degree heat borders on actual sadomasochism.

Didn't really consider the temperature, but if the parcours is as is, you have to make it tough in another way. There's a WC sprint practically every year, and that's on the track. 35 shouldn't be too much. They're gonna be pushing 200W for the first 7 hours anyway. Be smart with ice jackets, put in a drinkable fluid from a straw, whatever, figure it out. In MSR they didn't attack the Poggio after 290km, because the race had been too easy, and everyone was fresh. And that's MSR, which actually has hills. Doesn't have to go all the way to 350, but surely 320 should be just about doable.

They ruined it with picking Qatar, there's very little to do after that. It's 35 in the shade, in the sun it will be much higher. You can't do much with that, especially not in Qatar.

35 in the shade? That changes things a little. I have an idea, let's hold the world cup there

Nice! :razz:

I don't blame the course designers at all. They can't really do much with what is given to them. It's the UCI's fault.
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25 Aug 2016 12:49

Number of riders for Doha per nation

Australia - 9
Belgium - 9
Colombia - 9
France - 9
Great Britain - 9
Italy - 9
Netherlands - 9
Norway - 9
Spain - 9
Switzerland - 9

Canada - 6
Czech Republic - 6
Denmark - 6
Eritrea - 6
Germany - 6
Iran - 6
Poland - 6
Russia - 6
Ukraine - 6
USA - 6

Others - 3 or less

Source : http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/News/17/88/85/QuotasDoha2016-final_Neutral.pdf
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