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13 Aug 2018 17:16

I feel like Moderators are at time a bit too sensitive in imposing bans. I know there are some rules, but what is the point in having rules if we won't have that many members in the long run.

It looks like everyone else is posting in the articles forums. An that one is free format, free topic free opinion. So it gets a lot of participation.

Just saying!
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13 Aug 2018 20:16

Escarabajo wrote:I feel like Moderators are at time a bit too sensitive in imposing bans. I know there are some rules, but what is the point in having rules if we won't have that many members in the long run.

It looks like everyone else is posting in the articles forums. An that one is free format, free topic free opinion. So it gets a lot of participation.

Just saying!
do you mean the main cn site article feedback ? asking b/c i would not know as i personally do not get the cycling racing news on the cn anymore...if so, THAT's WHERE the site management wants the clicks.

that said, not that i disagree with the net effect you expressed, i dont think the forum mods have anything to do with the phenomena you are concerned. i mean the moderating effects seems to vary from a mod to mod despite the same rules....and you'll routinely hear the standard mantra. but i posted here to not revamp the old stuff, but to basically state that the forum lives its own dynamic understandably different from the reader feedback.

i dont care for the main cn site and are increasingly passive towards the forum....in part, due to the reasons you expressed.
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27 Aug 2018 02:48

So much for libertarians and no need of moderation. As extrapolated to some fuzzy awareness of govt.

Hard to be consistent and principled.
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02 Sep 2018 21:43

I haven't really posted a whole lot in the forum over the last few months, though I do still like to read and keep up sometimes and I just noticed ScottSoCal was permabanned as requested by user?

He himself requested to be permabanned or?
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Re: Moderators

03 Sep 2018 05:12

BullsFan22 wrote:I haven't really posted a whole lot in the forum over the last few months, though I do still like to read and keep up sometimes and I just noticed ScottSoCal was permabanned as requested by user?

He himself requested to be permabanned or?


Yes.
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17 Oct 2018 15:32

What's the deal with posts in Valverde thread in the Road forum being deleted?

I always took the 'no doping talk' to mean no accusations of doping where guilt has not been proven, but apparently this is not the case. And with Valverde's case being confirmed there is also no room for discussion whether he is a convicted doper so that covers the reference to 'professional road racing' being a doping discussion free forum.

Maybe a clarification is in order then?
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17 Oct 2018 23:45

roundabout wrote:What's the deal with posts in Valverde thread in the Road forum being deleted?

I always took the 'no doping talk' to mean no accusations of doping where guilt has not been proven, but apparently this is not the case. And with Valverde's case being confirmed there is also no room for discussion whether he is a convicted doper so that covers the reference to 'professional road racing' being a doping discussion free forum.

Maybe a clarification is in order then?

[not mod anymore] the PRR forum is dope free. Busted, not busted, half busted doesn't matter. This is not the place. The Clinic is the place.

Yes, it makes it hard to ignore the elephant in the room and still have a coherent discussion.

But these are the rules and in many ways they help not making doping the core of a forum that also caters to newbies, fans who think that doping is marginal, or just have no problem with PEDs, when their daily life is taking Viagra, other things, and they just don't care.

Allowing doping in the PRR forum would turn it into a Clinic forum and a very toxic place.

My $0,02, acknowledging that the elephant is huge and I want clean cycling. And we are asked to believe in miracles...my first signature quoting Lance.
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18 Oct 2018 13:48

El Pistolero was permabanned for trolling


*Applause*

Finally. He was so obvious each time. Worse than Ryo
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18 Oct 2018 18:52

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
El Pistolero was permabanned for trolling


*Applause*

Finally. He was so obvious each time. Worse than Ryo

Yes he was, but I would rather have him posting than the English/wannabe English mob who post in defence of everything British/Sky/Froome. They are absolutely the worst on any of the threads in this forum.
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18 Oct 2018 21:07

Tonton wrote:
roundabout wrote:What's the deal with posts in Valverde thread in the Road forum being deleted?

I always took the 'no doping talk' to mean no accusations of doping where guilt has not been proven, but apparently this is not the case. And with Valverde's case being confirmed there is also no room for discussion whether he is a convicted doper so that covers the reference to 'professional road racing' being a doping discussion free forum.

Maybe a clarification is in order then?

[not mod anymore] the PRR forum is dope free. Busted, not busted, half busted doesn't matter. This is not the place. The Clinic is the place.

Yes, it makes it hard to ignore the elephant in the room and still have a coherent discussion.

But these are the rules and in many ways they help not making doping the core of a forum that also caters to newbies, fans who think that doping is marginal, or just have no problem with PEDs, when their daily life is taking Viagra, other things, and they just don't care.

Allowing doping in the PRR forum would turn it into a Clinic forum and a very toxic place.

My $0,02, acknowledging that the elephant is huge and I want clean cycling. And we are asked to believe in miracles...my first signature quoting Lance.


Thank you for actually taking the time to respond.

I don't believe that a mere mention of confirmed doping cases is enough to make doping the core of a forum.

As things stand now, this may well be the only forum where posting the truth can get those posts deleted. What about having a signature saying that Valverde has had his ADRV upheld by CAS and the Swiss Federal Tribunal? Would this be a bannable offense?

And even more troubling is the lack of clear feedback from the mods/admins about this. Or maybe I am asking too much as usual.
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18 Oct 2018 22:36

roundabout wrote:Thank you for actually taking the time to respond.

I don't believe that a mere mention of confirmed doping cases is enough to make doping the core of a forum.

As things stand now, this may well be the only forum where posting the truth can get those posts deleted. What about having a signature saying that Valverde has had his ADRV upheld by CAS and the Swiss Federal Tribunal? Would this be a bannable offense?

And even more troubling is the lack of clear feedback from the mods/admins about this. Or maybe I am asking too much as usual.

To the bolded, the problem is that after one makes a mere mention, others jump in,and before you know it's mayhem. So deleting a post can be a smart preemptive action that is not against a poster but good for the thread and the "doping free discussion" standard.
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19 Oct 2018 15:32

Tonton is pretty much spot on, hopefully this explains it well:

The clinic is where doping should be discussed. Mentioning that someone has served a ban in the PRR is ok, but it has to be relevant to the discussion and not trolling. For example, if someone were to question why you left a specific rider of a list and you just said they served a ban so you didn't include them that's fine. Jumping into a discussion about someone winning something and saying "Yeah, but they're a doper so it's rubbish" is not fine.

In reality there are very few reasons to bring up doping in the PRR that will not lead to a discussion that involves speculation. If the mods think that is the likely outcome of a post then it's going to get removed. It's a really hard line for us to walk, we don't want to say doping must never ever be mentioned outside of the clinic, but we also don't want speculation spreading across the forum as a whole. Many people, I think, accept that doping is part of professional sport and put it aside when enjoying the spectacle and discussing it. There are many factors that affect this, one of the main ones is that the only dopers we know about are the ones who are caught, but most people do not believe that all dopers are caught, and this is what is likely to lead to the speculation and discussion we're trying to avoid.

Hopefully this all makes sense.

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20 Oct 2018 09:44

Ok, that's fair enough I suppose.
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20 Oct 2018 23:43

ferryman wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
El Pistolero was permabanned for trolling


*Applause*

Finally. He was so obvious each time. Worse than Ryo

Yes he was, but I would rather have him posting than the English/wannabe English mob who post in defence of everything British/Sky/Froome. They are absolutely the worst on any of the threads in this forum.

I put most of them on the 'foe' list so I don't have to read it :lol:
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21 Oct 2018 08:44

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
ferryman wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
El Pistolero was permabanned for trolling


*Applause*

Finally. He was so obvious each time. Worse than Ryo

Yes he was, but I would rather have him posting than the English/wannabe English mob who post in defence of everything British/Sky/Froome. They are absolutely the worst on any of the threads in this forum.

I put most of them on the 'foe' list so I don't have to read it :lol:


Same.

I finally resorted to that. Used to be just the guy with the childish nickname referencing a Chappelle show skit and the "Poland Stronk!" guy, but this week I added the other two.

What's the point reading someone's post when they go out of their way to deny even the most basic fact just to push an agenda? It's just noise clouding any actual discussion you might want to have, and getting people to quit. So auto ignoring their posts is the best of all worlds.

edit: I also had Pistolero in there
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