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11 Jan 2013 11:22

Pentacycle wrote:Of course I meant the Zoncolan, so confusing :o

He let Rujano win on Grossglockner, while Anton was clearly the strongest when he won. Contador would've never won on the Zoncolan and he knew it. That's why he didn't bother trying to close the gap in the last km.


That was my impression, too. Anton deserved that win. Contador couldn't sustain his attack on Gardeccia either. Scarponi got very close in the end.
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11 Jan 2013 11:57

theyoungest wrote:I mostly remember Contador policing Nibali on that stage. And come on, he won that Giro with an immense gap, causing him to take the last few stages off and just see what the others could do to drop him (nothing, as it turned out).


It was Zoncolan, a climb where anyone does its best to be included in the list of winners. The fact that someone won with an immense gap does not mean someone can not have some difficulties during one separate stage. And it is absolutely normal. No one can be perfect all GT long. Possibly, Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage — we don't know, but he was the strongest on that day.
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11 Jan 2013 12:50

airstream wrote:It was Zoncolan, a climb where anyone does its best to be included in the list of winners. The fact that someone won with an immense gap does not mean someone can not have some difficulties during one separate stage. And it is absolutely normal. No one can be perfect all GT long. Possibly, Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage — we don't know, but he was the strongest on that day.


He did. And in the last km, Contador tried everything to gap Nibali, but couldn't. Despite him trying and Anton celebrating, the gap didn't come down in that last km.

Anyone thinking Contador was freewheeling on the Zoncolan and giving away wins is delusional.
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11 Jan 2013 12:58

cineteq wrote:Stop polluting the forum and insulting people. :mad:


hypocricy just bit you in the a** :o
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11 Jan 2013 12:59

theyoungest wrote:As did Steven Kruijswijk :p

I'm not sure we saw Contador at his very best during that Giro, surely not better than when Andy Schleck held his wheel the year before?


etna was definitely the best contador. rujano though wasn't at his best
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11 Jan 2013 13:09

Ryo Hazuki wrote:hypocricy just bit you in the a** :o
Get a grip, cut your losses. Who's the one banned every other week here, exactly for I what I say in the statement you quoted? :rolleyes:
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11 Jan 2013 13:14

Ryo Hazuki wrote:etna was definitely the best contador. rujano though wasn't at his best

Lol, yeah otherwise he would have gapped Contador... you really believe this, don't you?

Arnout wrote:He did. And in the last km, Contador tried everything to gap Nibali, but couldn't. Despite him trying and Anton celebrating, the gap didn't come down in that last km.

Anyone thinking Contador was freewheeling on the Zoncolan and giving away wins is delusional.

And the Anton fanboy chimes in as well. I said nothing of the sort.
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11 Jan 2013 13:28

Pentacycle wrote:He let Rujano win on Grossglockner, while Anton was clearly the strongest when he won. Contador would've never won on the Zoncolan and he knew it. That's why he didn't bother trying to close the gap in the last km.


Its possible you are right but how do.you know it. You write as pure fact that contador " would've never won the zoncolan stage" whatsmore that you have read his mind and can tell us that he knew it himself.

How do you know contador couldn't win that stage and how do you get to coming across .his.private thoughts?

Especially since contador has a history, a well recorded history of absolutely not.giving a **** about stages if he has the jersey.

Its more.probable that contador saw the sheer brutality of zoncolan and the persistence of Conegliano - Gardeccia Val di Fassa as the 2 biggest obstacles to a race win. Because he had 3 minutes on nibali already so cracking was the only way he could lose the title. Especially since he has since said zoncolan is the hardest in the world. So he just rode it easy making sure he stayed near the guy who was closest to him on gc while letting anton take the win

Very similar to bola this year where he just took a steep back knowing he had 2 to play with for the brutal final 3k.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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11 Jan 2013 13:30

airstream wrote:It was Zoncolan, a climb where anyone does its best to be included in the list of winners. The fact that someone won with an immense gap does not mean someone can not have some difficulties during one separate stage. And it is absolutely normal. No one can be perfect all GT long. Possibly, Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage — we don't know, but he was the strongest on that day.


Anton was not conserving energy.for that stage as he was fighting the gc battle with scarponi nibali and.co on etna and glossglockner.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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11 Jan 2013 13:38

theyoungest wrote:Lol, yeah otherwise he would have gapped Contador... you really believe this, don't you?


And the Anton fanboy chimes in as well. I said nothing of the sort.


rujano is a better climber than contador even. yes. he would've gained time on him no doubt
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11 Jan 2013 13:50

The Hitch wrote:Anton was not conserving energy.for that stage as he was fighting the gc battle with scarponi nibali and.co on etna and glossglockner.


Hm, I don't think so. IMO, Anton realized he wouldn't be in top-3 straight after the Etna. Top-5 was unlikely to allure him too much. So Anton felt very relaxed and the stage automatically became his goal. If Anton had ridden for top-5, he would have been prepared better and simply wouldn't have attacked on Zoncolan that early.

Very similar to bola this year where he just took a steep back knowing he had 2 to play with for the brutal final 3k.

He was made to drop. He wanted to win a lot in presence of fellow countrymen, but he was not allowed to do that. That was a very reasonable rejection of risk, but it was weakness as well.
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11 Jan 2013 13:56

theyoungest wrote:Lol, yeah otherwise he would have gapped Contador... you really believe this, don't you?


And the Anton fanboy chimes in as well. I said nothing of the sort.


Where do I mention "theyoungest"?
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11 Jan 2013 14:01

airstream wrote:Hm, I don't think so. IMO, Anton realized he wouldn't be in top-3 straight after the Etna. Top-5 was unlikely to allure him too much. So Anton felt very relaxed and the stage automatically became his goal. If Anton had ridden for top-5, he would have been prepared better and simply wouldn't have attacked on Zoncolan that early.

Anton was 5th.on grosglockner the day before Zoncolan, putting time into scarponi and nibali. He was only 1.minute down on nibali on gc. So clearly he had not been saving himself for Zoncolan.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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11 Jan 2013 14:05

The Hitch wrote:Anton was 5th.on grosglockner the day before Zoncolan, putting time into scarponi and nibali. He was only 1.minute down on nibali on gc. So clearly he had not been saving himself for Zoncolan.


Why then he surrended so limply straight after Zoncolan? I'm not saying for Zoncolan, I mean - for a stage win.
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11 Jan 2013 14:13

airstream wrote:Why then he surrended so limply straight after Zoncolan? I'm not saying for Zoncolan, I mean - for a stage win.

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You said he was saving energy for Zoncolan. Here

Anton conserved energy exactly for that stage


But now you are trying to back that up by saying that after he got the stage win he started to take it easy.

It doesnt matter what you do afterwards. You cant save energy for something by resting after you pull it off. To save energy he would have had to take it easy before Zoncolan - which he clearly did not.
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The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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11 Jan 2013 14:21

Rujano is a quality rider and was the premier rider on androni. it's a good move for him with hoogerland and degendt for the grand tours. i hope he gets the money he earned.
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11 Jan 2013 14:29

The Hitch wrote::confused:
You said he was saving energy for Zoncolan. Here



But now you are trying to back that up by saying that after he got the stage win he started to take it easy.

It doesnt matter what you do afterwards. You cant save energy for something by resting after you pull it off. To save energy he would have had to take it easy before Zoncolan - which he clearly did not.


I added 'we don't know'. I was implying just a stage win actually. He caught his chance at Zoncolan and got it.

Doesn't matter??? The man just considered his race mission accomplished and slowed down. It describes his form and attitude very brightly.

You know riding at grupetto wouldn't be the best preparation for a stage win too. The stage was a gift not in the least. That's it. What are we discussing?
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11 Jan 2013 14:40

Rousel wrote:Rujano is a quality rider and was the premier rider on androni. it's a good move for him with hoogerland and degendt for the grand tours. i hope he gets the money he earned.


you should post more often! :)
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11 Jan 2013 16:08

cineteq wrote:Rujano playing Savio via twitter addressing his complain to a Venezuelan minister (Héctor Rodriguez) and the president of the cycling federation (Artemio Leonett). He claims Savio owes him 135k euros.

@elcondorruyano. “De verdad no sé qué piensa mi país, qué piensan de darle dinero a Gianni Savio (director técnico de Androni), aún me debe 135.000 euros, y no me quiere pagar. ¿Qué pensará el ministro del Deporte (Héctor Rodríguez) y Artemio Leonett, presidente de la Federación de Ciclismo, o acaso yo no he sacado a mi país adelante?”.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site...a.asp?id=58503


Savio saying that Rujano made up the mononucleosis thing in il Giro? :o

edit: "Alegó una mononucleosis en el Giro de Italia 2012 y lo abandonó. Fue falso ese problema de salud."
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11 Jan 2013 16:23

The Hitch wrote:Its possible you are right but how do.you know it. You write as pure fact that contador " would've never won the zoncolan stage" whatsmore that you have read his mind and can tell us that he knew it himself.

How do you know contador couldn't win that stage and how do you get to coming across .his.private thoughts?

Especially since contador has a history, a well recorded history of absolutely not.giving a **** about stages if he has the jersey.

Its more.probable that contador saw the sheer brutality of zoncolan and the persistence of Conegliano - Gardeccia Val di Fassa as the 2 biggest obstacles to a race win. Because he had 3 minutes on nibali already so cracking was the only way he could lose the title. Especially since he has since said zoncolan is the hardest in the world. So he just rode it easy making sure he stayed near the guy who was closest to him on gc while letting anton take the win

Very similar to bola this year where he just took a steep back knowing he had 2 to play with for the brutal final 3k.


Contador doesn't care about stages when he's in the lead? Well, this is certainly Contador winning a stage in a leader's jersey. And then there's the 2009 TdF TT and 2011 Giro MTT, where he would've easily won the GC even if he lost a minute or two. Contador certainly cares about stages, he would never gift someone victory on the Zoncolan.
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