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And the live astreaming showed for a full moment the full map of Vuelta '22. Thus in the last week Penas Blancos, 2 days later Sierra Pandera, next day Sierra Nevada and then up in direction of madrid with thePiornal and Nevacerada. No Angliru in the first week before the large transfer to...

As fond as I was ofhe 2020 route the 2021 course seems not so promising, so I rated it 6. Positive: Some hill finishes in the first week Ventoux stage Decent amount of time trial kms Last two pyreneen stages Negative: No team timetrial Too many flat stages in first week First alpine stage...

I would vote for Thymen Arensman (to win in 3-4 years time)

And besides these "established" Giro climbs (including Mt Sirino) it would be nice to introduce new Southern climbs like: Rifugio Calvanico Monte Sacro Monte Vulture Monte Stella Monte Botte Donato (Giro 21?) Montalto Monte Mancuso

Best: Giro - 2016 & 2017 Tour - 2003 & 2019 Vuelta - 2012 and also 2002, 2004, 2014 & 2015 Worst: Giro - 2006 & 2012 Tour - 2012 and also 2001, 2004 & 2006 Vuelta - 2007 & 2008

I started watching the Giro live since 1997 (Vuelta as well) and since then I have rated all GCs on basis of four marks: Route (28%), Level of GC contenders (28%), GC fight (28%) and contribution of the Dutch riders in stages and GC (14%) . Esp the Noughties editions suffered from a very...

1. Kelderman 2. Nibali 3, Froome

1. Kelderman 2. Nibali 3. Froome

Well did they?..There seems to be some undilations at 85% (~160 km) into the stage. So maybe Oude holleweg in stage 2 and Posbank in stage3. Both 4th category of course but at least they can hand out the mountain jersey then.

Re: Or another nice climb is Rasos de Pequere (Vuelta 99). If the Vuelta wants new summit finishes in the Pyrenees: Valter 2000, Port Aine, Boi Taull or Lac de St Maurici?