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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    Despite a degree of inexperience evident in some of the comments, MVP is once again delivering an exceptional CX season: 6 wins from 6 starts and a very real chance of breaking the Cyclo-cross World Championship titles record he currently shares with Eric De Vlaeminck. I genuinely hope he does...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    Who cares about the logistics of anything when you're drunk and angry? C'mon now.
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    I'm sorry, but no. If you do not wish to talk about it "for ages" (wild exaggeration of course) that's your prerogative. I, on the other hand, will keep talking about it. It only takes one of those "rare" moments to cause a serious accident. I do enjoy cyclocross, that’s exactly why this...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    Except that’s not what I’m doing, and I think you know that. Nice try though. I explicitly marked the last two cases as unconfirmed, that’s called being precise, not evasive. Focusing on those two while ignoring the majority of confirmed cases is selective reading. The overall pattern doesn’t...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    Fair enough, then this is mostly a wording issue. I agree that athletes shouldn’t be thrown off by every shout from the crowd, and that professionals develop coping mechanisms for that. Where I disagree is that this makes verbal abuse irrelevant or something to exclude from the record. The fact...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    If the motives have “long since been identified,” that’s a reason to keep discussing it, not to drop it. The same incidents keep happening. Discussing the incidents is normal, but discussing the pattern and whether enough is being done about it is just as legitimate. Saying “we already know...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    If you actually cared to read my previous post regarding this incident you'd have read that I’m not claiming to know his motive, and I explicitly said it could be unintentional. But you don’t know his motive either. The point isn’t proving intent from one clip, it’s that when similar incidents...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    He made the same movements while other riders passed by, he just had to save his careless moment for when MVP passed by. Just makes it so hard to keep excusing these types of incidents. Oh well. Just another bonehead I guess.
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    Wrong again. Those two things don’t go together. Saying “you shouldn’t have to endure it” while also saying “you shouldn’t be bothered by it” is basically normalizing the behavior. Being a professional athlete means accepting that it might happen, not that it’s acceptable or irrelevant when it...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    Cry me a river. A true professional and champion doesn't get the same satisfaction from not beating the best. It'll always be "but MVP wasn't there". I'm certain that Nys Jr. and WvA would attest to getting way more satisfaction from beating the very best then anyone else. You can clearly see...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    It must become tiresome for MVP, organizers and Belgian pundits to have to explain away these incidents. That doesn’t mean this specific incident must have been intentional, it very well could have been an accident. The issue for me is the pattern, which makes it harder and harder to keep...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    You did miss the point though, because the context you added reframes the issue as random probability, while my argument is about motive, not odds. If this were just a numbers game, abuse would be spread across riders. It isn’t. It follows Van der Poel across disciplines, countries, and years...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    It's a description of everything that happened. Moreover, verbal abuse is still abuse, even if it doesn't physically interfere with the rider. Even if you need to have thick skin as a professional athlete in these instances it's still deplorable behavior by simple-minded "fans". Just because you...
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    It's a MVP thread on a cycling forum and he's been subjected to a disproportionate amount of abuse by these losers. The most recent one was today. So it's odd that you think it's odd that it's discussed in here. It deserves every bit of attention it gets.
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    Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

    There was no instance where it was only booing or verbal abuse in my post. It was always accompanied by a beer or urine dousing.