2012 Tour de France CQ game

[CQmanager]

Last update: June 26 2012 2:00 CET

Game is now open!

SUMMARY
Game Open: Monday June 25 2012
Game Link: http://game.cqmanager.net/
Deadline: Saturday June 30 9:00am CET
Riders: 9
Buying Power: 4000 points

GAME
This game is open to anyone! Just go to our websiteand create account. New account sign up here: http://game.cqmanager.net/account-new.cfm If you are current CQ Manager player and need password, contact me or Hugo through the CN private message. 2012 Tour de France CQ game will be open on June 25 and will be based on June 24 2012 update.

TEAMS
Each player must select 9 participating riders. The buying power is 4000 per team. The rider cost will be again based on "Current CQ Ranking" value as of June 24 2012.

In a case that selected rider did not start the race, the rider will be replaced with a rider from a same team with nearest (same or lower) value.

Example:
You chose: SCHLECK Fränk at 1151
Replacement: CANCELLARA Fabian at 997

DOPERS
Since this game is based on "CURRENT" CQ value, some riders returning from doping ban will not be available.

So far those riders are: (more may be added as the teams are announced)
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
ASTARLOZA CHAURREAU Mikel

POINTS
Points are awarded for each stage and general classification based on this chart: http://cqmanager.net/points/

UPDATES
Daily and weekly updates will be available on game website and final update should be up on July 23 2012

CQM

 

[Froome19]

2012 Tour de France CQ game will be open on June 19 and will be based on June 17 2012 update. The rider cost will be again based on "Current CQ Ranking" value. Each player will select 9 riders.

Question is how much buying power do we want? Suggestions were to increase the buying power from 3000 to 4000.

All suggestions and feedback is appreciated! Also looking for somebody to help with daily updates as I may not be able to do it because of family vacation.

CQM

A lot of people could benefit from riders who aimed at the tour last year, yet then crashed out and that led them to relatively low CQ scores.
Of the top of my head i can come up with 3 genuine contenders all who would cost around 2000.
Still I would enjoy it better if the budget was raised slightly as to allow for more high profile names to feature.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I voted for 3500.

There isn't really any mathematical analysis behind. I just think that a slightly higher budget will make the game a little bit more interesting both because riders will be a bit more expensive than in the Giro and because we'll probably see more diverse teams then.

 

[asdfgh101]

Current scores:

Wiggins 1915
Sanchez 1708
Voeckler 1550
Evans 1464
Martin 1437
Nibali 1284
Leipheimer 1041
A. Schleck 815
Van den Broeck 765
Valverde 700?
Peraud 690
Menchov 545

Could be a lot of similar looking teams regardless of the budget. My idea which i suspect won't be popular is to force every team to select a leader with a score of 1000+ from their total budget. This is the only way i see to have good variety between the squads.

How can this be done? Simple, highlight the rule, then if you don't select at least one rider with a value of over 1000 your team gets deleted.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Analysing last years starters as priced on the CQ update of 26 June 2011 (this is before any alteration according to Contador's penalty), the team values were:

THR 6269
LEO 6130
GRM 5286
OLO 5173
VCD 5157
RAB 4903
SBS 4586
SKY 4343
RSH 4207
MOV 4026
LAM 3482
QST 3254
EUC 3060
AST 3026
ALM 3015
COF 3005
EUS 2792
FDJ 2667
KAT 2286
BMC 2271
SAU 2235
LIQ 1629

We could have bought the 6th most important squad for the Giro.

The average cost per rider is 50% higher than for the recent Giro. There were still 34 riders available at less than 100 points, but there were 50 for the Giro, and 20 men at more than 1000, as opposed to just 2 at the Giro.

The average spend we were allowed for the Giro would have bought the 57th most expensive rider in that race: the 57th most expensive in last years Tour cost 489 points, and 9x489=4401.

The quartiles of the Giro riders' values were 89, 188 and 374: last year's Tour quartiles were 134, 295 and 499. Our average spend per rider in the Giro (3000/9) was 20% above average cost: 20% above average cost in last years Giro would be 502.2 points per rider, or 4520 for a team of 9.


Assuming this year's Tour rider costs are comparable to last years, we will need a budget of at least 4500 to compete at a comparable level to that enjoyed in the Giro.

 

[CQmanager]

Analysing last years starters as priced on the CQ update of 26 June 2011 (this is before any alteration according to Contador's penalty), the team values were:

THR 6269
LEO 6130
GRM 5286
OLO 5173
VCD 5157
RAB 4903
SBS 4586
SKY 4343
RSH 4207
MOV 4026
LAM 3482
QST 3254
EUC 3060
AST 3026
ALM 3015
COF 3005
EUS 2792
FDJ 2667
KAT 2286
BMC 2271
SAU 2235
LIQ 1629

We could have bought the 6th most important squad for the Giro.

The average cost per rider is 50% higher than for the recent Giro. There were still 34 riders available at less than 100 points, but there were 50 for the Giro, and 20 men at more than 1000, as opposed to just 2 at the Giro.

The average spend we were allowed for the Giro would have bought the 57th most expensive rider in that race: the 57th most expensive in last years Tour cost 489 points, and 9x489=4401.

The quartiles of the Giro riders' values were 89, 188 and 374: last year's Tour quartiles were 134, 295 and 499. Our average spend per rider in the Giro (3000/9) was 20% above average cost: 20% above average cost in last years Giro would be 502.2 points per rider, or 4520 for a team of 9.


Assuming this year's Tour rider costs are comparable to last years, we will need a budget of at least 4500 to compete at a comparable level to that enjoyed in the Giro.

Great work Armchair!
On one hand I feel like increasing the limit to those 4500 however on the other hand I feel like the increased buying power would allow everybody to get those obvious GC picks as that was the way to go with the Giro game so if the buying power is lower we all will have to be more creative. Unfortunately again, the lower buying power would eliminate some exciting riders ...

Lets see what others have to say

CQM

 

[greenedge]

@CQM: Are people who did not do the Giro also allowed to do this?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

@CQM: Are people who did not do the Giro also allowed to do this?

Yes, of course

Armchair cyclist: agree, great work! I might change my vote to 4.000 based on this. I think 4.500 is too much even though your analysis shows that it might not be.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Since a lot of the top riders will cost more (some, significantly more) post Dauphine/ToS and considering the current cost of these riders, I've gone for 4,000.
However, I had originally thought 3,500, too.

It's a fine balance.

The game is best played with all the top favourites being affordable and thus having the riders most likely to score heavily and be involved in the action, in our teams.

However, too many points will makes the same top selections automatic and dilute the "skill" element from the selection process.

4,000 points should allow players to select one or two tier riders and a reasonable variety of support riders, the odd dark horse etc.

 

[asdfgh101]

Among the GC favourites there is unlikely to be a major net movement in terms of cost. There is a chance for some riders to gain points but riders like Wiggins are far more likely to either remain at the same value or become cheaper (defending a win at the Dauphine).

Also, based on some primitive number crunching 3500 would be the least desirable budget in terms of avoiding homogeneity (teams being too similar ).

 

[taiwan]

I'd advocate keeping the budget lowish, although I haven't voted yet. Reason: real teams have a lot of unused points tied up in domestiques, so you could achieve the score of the top real team with a smaller budget. Also the difficulty just makes for a better game. Maybe 3500 will make it a bit harder relative to the Giro game, where I was able to pick 4+ GC leaders (picked totally the wrong ones though )

 

[Tuarts]

Fine with leaving it as it is but i voted for 3500, give a little extra to compensate for the rise in general prices. The danger of having it too high is that there's less risk involved when taking a big favourite, with the Giro you could have taken a big favourite but then you'd have to compensate by picking inferior cheaper riders where its complete pot luck if the score well or not. That said, reading some people's opinion 4k wouldn't be that extreme I think. Would the Vuelta be back down to 3000?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I'd like more than 9 riders (say, 12 or 15 max) and, at the same time, no minimum amount of riders. It allows for more strategies and keeps the teams from being too similar.

Also, an "approved" provisional start list would work.

 

[Sylvester]

Impeccable work by Armchair cyclist.

4000 or 4500 seem logical to me, based on these calculations.

 

[Ruby United]

Current scores:

Wiggins 1915
Sanchez 1708
Voeckler 1550
Evans 1464
Martin 1437
Nibali 1284
Leipheimer 1041
A. Schleck 815
Van den Broeck 765
Valverde 700?
Peraud 690
Menchov 545

QUOTE]

And gesink???

 

[Handbrake]

I think we need enough points to have a team where at least half the riders are competitive where some can either "challenge" in sprints and some can compete on GC rather than just having 2 quality riders and 7 hopeful lucky dip riders. I'd like the game to increase my enjoyment of the race so I'm guessing we'll need close to 4500 points.

 

[cycladianpirate]

I haven't voted in the poll because I didn't take part in the Giro game. I would, however, very much like to join in a Tour game.

However, could I ask how many of the top 10 in the Giro version picked Hesjedal? If it's a lot, then isn't it possible that a low budget means that the real question being asked in the game is simply 'who will win it'?

A bigger budget would allow for more than one GC pick and some solid sprinters/breakaway guys as well. Along with, of course the 'wild cards' that should really make the difference.

But do take this with a pinch of salt - I'm terrible at these sorts of games anyway!!!

 

[CQmanager]

I haven't voted in the poll because I didn't take part in the Giro game. I would, however, very much like to join in a Tour game.

However, could I ask how many of the top 10 in the Giro version picked Hesjedal? If it's a lot, then isn't it possible that a low budget means that the real question being asked in the game is simply 'who will win it'?

A bigger budget would allow for more than one GC pick and some solid sprinters/breakaway guys as well. Along with, of course the 'wild cards' that should really make the difference.

But do take this with a pinch of salt - I'm terrible at these sorts of games anyway!!!

The game is open to anyone and anybody can play. Its free.

As per the Giro question. You can see the Giro results and teams here: http://game.cqmanager.net/game-standings.cfm?cqgameid=2

CQM

 

[Armchair cyclist]

However, could I ask how many of the top 10 in the Giro version picked Hesjedal? If it's a lot, then isn't it possible that a low budget means that the real question being asked in the game is simply 'who will win it'?

Rodriguez earned more points in the Giro than Hesjedal did, so it is not just about getting the pink/yellow jersey.

All of the top 20+ picked Hesjedal, but they all spent the other 2300 odd points in their budget differently, and that's why some won and others finished in the 20s or below.

 

[the asian]

When is the deadline to submit the teams?

 

[CQmanager]

When is the deadline to submit the teams?

Game will be open on Tuesday or Wednesday. Deadline will be June 30th 9am. Only confirmed riders will be on the list so it may take another week before the official teams are announced.

9 riders and 4000 points per team.

CQM

 

[CQmanager]

For your convenience here is a list of confirmed riders. Please note that the points values do not reflect points from this week races and Nationals!

We are still missing official lists from many teams including: AG2R, Cofidis, Europcar, FDJ, Lampre, GreenEdge, Sour-Sajun

BTW I have updated the original post so more info there http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17320

ALM ROCHE Nicolas 546
ARG CURVERS Roy 179
ARG DE KORT Koen 295
ARG FRÖHLINGER Johannes 109
ARG GRETSCH Patrick 138
ARG HUGUET Yann 37
ARG KITTEL Marcel 886
ARG SPRICK Mathieu 95
ARG TIMMER Albert 31
ARG VEELERS Tom 385
AST BOZIC Borut 552
AST BRAJKOVIC Janez 557
AST FOFONOV Dmitriy 117
AST GRIVKO Andriy 241
AST IGLINSKIY Maxim 482
AST KASHECHKIN Andrey 61
AST KESSIAKOFF Fredrik 430
AST KISERLOVSKI Robert 557
AST VINOKOUROV Alexandre 72
BMC BURGHARDT Marcus 55
BMC CUMMINGS Stephen 345
BMC EVANS Cadel 1528
BMC GILBERT Philippe 1844
BMC HINCAPIE George 180
BMC MOINARD Amaël 82
BMC QUINZIATO Manuel 135
BMC SCHÄR Michael 121
BMC VAN GARDEREN Tejay 498
EUC ROLLAND Pierre 544
EUC VOECKLER Thomas 1464
EUS AZANZA SOTO Jorge 56
EUS IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Gorka 117
EUS MARTINEZ DE ESTEBAN Egoi 166
EUS PEREZ MORENO Ruben 86
EUS SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 1685
EUS TXURRUKA ANSOLA Amets 162
EUS URTASUN PEREZ Pablo 214
EUS VERDUGO MARCOTEGUI Gorka 162
GEO VALLS FERRI Rafael 5
GRM DANIELSON Tom 656
GRM FARRAR Tyler 757
GRM HESJEDAL Ryder 1098
GRM HUNTER Robert 160
GRM MARTIN Daniel 1136
GRM MILLAR David 574
GRM VANDE VELDE Christian 371
GRM VANSUMMEREN Johan 249
GRM ZABRISKIE David 324
KAT CARUSO Giampaolo 271
KAT FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 838
KAT GUSEV Vladimir 482
KAT HORRACH RIPOLL Joan 30
KAT KUSCHYNSKI Aleksandr 103
KAT MENCHOV Denis 550
KAT PAOLINI Luca 554
KAT TROFIMOV Yury 137
KAT VORGANOV Eduard 220
LAM PETACCHI Alessandro 393
LAM SCARPONI Michele 735
LIQ BASSO Ivan 908
LIQ NIBALI Vincenzo 1287
LIQ SAGAN Peter 2054
LTB BAK Lars Ytting 285
LTB GREIPEL Andre 1353
LTB HENDERSON Gregory 123
LTB ROELANDTS Jürgen 512
LTB SIEBERG Marcel 128
LTB VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 671
LTB VANENDERT Jelle 662
MOV ARROYO DURAN David 127
MOV COBO ACEBO Juan Jose 983
MOV COSTA Rui Alberto Faria 1237
MOV ERVITI OLLO Imanol 107
MOV GUTIERREZ PALACIOS Jose Ivan 90
MOV KARPETS Vladimir 171
MOV KIRYIENKA Vasil 203
MOV PLAZA MOLINA Ruben 147
MOV ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin 897
OGE GERRANS Simon 1200
OGE GOSS Matthew 662
OGE O'GRADY Stuart 176
OPQ CHAVANEL Sylvain 872
OPQ DE WEERT Kevin 199
OPQ DEVENYNS Dries 343
OPQ GRABSCH Bert 219
OPQ LEIPHEIMER Levi 916
OPQ MARTIN Tony 1436
OPQ PINEAU Jérôme 287
OPQ VANDENBERGH Stijn 52
OPQ VELITS Peter 427
RAB GESINK Robert 632
RAB KRUIJSWIJK Steven 231
RAB MOLLEMA Bauke 1156
RAB RENSHAW Mark 356
RAB SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 766
RAB TANKINK Bram 190
RAB TEN DAM Laurens 130
RAB TJALLINGII Maarten 118
RAB WYNANTS Maarten 227
RNT CANCELLARA Fabian 997
RNT GALLOPIN Tony 586
RNT HORNER Chris 415
RNT KLÖDEN Andreas 61
RNT MONFORT Maxime 651
RNT POPOVYCH Yaroslav 52
RNT SCHLECK Fränk 1151
RNT VOIGT Jens 96
RNT ZUBELDIA AGIRRE Haimar 386
SAU COPPEL Jérôme 711
SAX CANTWELL Jonathan 137
SAX HAEDO Juan Jose 324
SAX KROON Karsten 100
SAX LUND Anders 135
SAX MORKOV CHRISTENSEN Michael 246
SAX PAULINHO Sergio Miguel Moreira 125
SAX SØRENSEN Chris Anker 388
SAX SØRENSEN Nicki 184
SBS NUYENS Nick 82
SKY BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 1734
SKY CAVENDISH Mark 1787
SKY EISEL Bernhard 182
SKY FROOME Chris 865
SKY KNEES Christian 178
SKY PORTE Richie 699
SKY ROGERS Michael 932
SKY SIUTSOU Kanstantsin 160
SKY WIGGINS Bradley 1959
VCD BOECKMANS Kris 232
VCD HOOGERLAND Johnny 374
VCD LARSSON Gustav Erik 269
VCD MARCATO Marco 1032
VCD POELS Wout 909
VCD RUIJGH Rob 212
VCD VAN HUMMEL Kenny 531
VCD WESTRA Lieuwe 726

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[Eric8-A]

The password we got from the Giro one will work for this as well right?

 

[saunaking]

Sso has the game opened yet?
I dont see anything about the tdf when i log in

 

[CQmanager]

The password we got from the Giro one will work for this as well right?

Yes.

Sso has the game opened yet?
I dont see anything about the tdf when i log in

The game will open on Monday. So far we have only 120 riders confirmed and more CQ points are being awarded from the Nationals so the current CQ values will be slightly different from those posted above. I just dont want anybody to select a team now and go over the 4000 points limit in case some of the riders will gain points before the TDF start.

Otherwise it is all ready to go

CQM