2020...2021 Olympic Women's Road Race, Tokyo, 137 KM

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Who do you reckon should've been the second, out of interest? I mean obviously Deignan is a no-brainer pick, but with Dani Rowe, Pooley and most of the previous generation retiring, there's not as much depth in the options as I thought there was. I'm looking at the next highest-ranked Britons in the rankings and you've got the Barnes sisters (possibilities, Hannah is more experienced, Alice a bit more all-round) and Anna Henderson (no more experienced than Shackley and less suited to the terrain). Shackley hasn't done much racing in the last couple of months either, so her form would be guesswork. I would think, though, that because Shackley did such a great job at Imola they backed her to do a similar job here.

My thought would have been Lizzy Banks, she's solid over all terrain, quite experienced and a strong stagehunter, so she would fit best perhaps?
The Barnes sisters were no brainers while Banks is still recovering from concussion - The English selectors chose Shackley for development reasons which is what Australia did with Gigante who has been injured since Fleche Wallone - You can choose cyclists for development reasons at the World's which have bigger teams - Anyway there will be equal numbers of men and women at the next Olympics.
 
It's pretty bad and embarrassing for the Dutch if they didn't know there was a rider ahead and then when they found out still didn't congratulate, but it's just as bad if not worse that ELB and Kopecky knew and still didn't congratulate Kiesenhofer.
Oof yes, that's true, good point.

To be fair to the media, I complained that nobody thought to get Anna K's thoughts on the race, but in reality most of them were probably frantically googling her achievements to be able to have something to ask her, and to give them some copy, because they probably hadn't prepared anything for this eventuality!!!

The shot of her prone on the asphalt, eyes closed and arms over her head in disbelief, is the shot of the games so far.
 
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ELB is one of the most attacking riders in the pro peloton and in most cases she gets nothing in return for those attacks. Sometimes it makes sense to just sit on wheels, especially on a route which is terrible for you and your teammates.
I'm not saying she isn't normally an exciting rider, but I just thought the Italian tactis were wrong today, cause they definitely never rode for the gold, and they were lucky to even get a medal out of it, despite the fact that they were one of the only teams to have more than one rider contesting the final.
 
The Barnes sisters were no brainers while Banks is still recovering from concussion - The English selectors chose Shackley for development reasons which is what Australia did with Gigante who has been injured since Fleche Wallone - You can choose cyclists for development reasons at the World's which have bigger teams - Anyway there will be equal numbers of men and women at the next Olympics.
Hannah Barnes has been struggling with an injury as well, which was why she was ruled out by the selectors.
 
I can’t get over this farce.
Anna van der Breggen, who will become a coach(!) said some things that are only worthy of massive facepalms:
  1. There were some riders on the road. Without the ears, it means maybe we should count them…(facepalm)
  2. We didn’t know Kiesenhofer. So how can we do something wrong if we don’t know her? (facepalm)
one advice before you even think of becoming a coach: Sun Tzu - the art of war (know your enemy)
 
I can’t get over this farce.
Anna van der Breggen, who will become a coach(!) said some things that are only worthy of massive facepalms:
  1. There were some riders on the road. Without the ears, it means maybe we should count them…(facepalm)
  2. We didn’t know Kiesenhofer. So how can we do something wrong if we don’t know her? (facepalm)
one advice before you even think of becoming a coach: Sun Tzu - the art of war (know your enemy)
Good thing she learns that now before she actually works as a DS. :)

Well, but the guys in the car had time to inform themselves of the riders ahead, didn't they? I mean, it wasn't just 5 minutes that Kiesenhofer was ahead.
 
So the organizational side was bad, but if you have three riders in front from the beginning you should be able to realize you only passed two of them. That's a number even I would be able to manage. It's not like... oh, ***, there were 13 out front and we only caught 12...
And when van Vleuten celebrated like that in the end it just comes down to that, they didn't realize there was another one left, no matter the time gaps.
My, yes, you have to keep track of these things when you are without radios...
The not counting or miscounting was a mistake. But probably even if they had counted they wouldn't have caught her since they would only be aware of the wrong time gap after they caught the two chasers.
 
The not counting or miscounting was a mistake. But probably even if they had counted they wouldn't have caught her since they would only be aware of the wrong time gap after they caught the two chasers.
Imagine that happening, they get the time gap, they pull back the chasers, go "right, that's two... there's one more that must be a little way up the road" "the new time gap is two minutes and fifty-three seconds"
 
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The not counting or miscounting was a mistake. But probably even if they had counted they wouldn't have caught her since they would only be aware of the wrong time gap after they caught the two chasers.
Yeah... one has to wonder what would have changed... but if you get confusing time gaps maybe you shouldn't trust them... and sent someone back to the team car... also I think there was still not a coordinated chase and in the end Kiesenhofer had 1.15...

Well, it sure was the result of many factors coming together. But for me one of the main mistake was that the Dutch didn't really take the race into their hands. If you have four! of the biggest favourites and no other team comes remotely close, you should take that responsibility, keep the break in check, get rid of most of your competitors, and not look and wait and act a bit and then not anymore...
In the end, since only van Vleuten was really there in the end, maybe the legs of the Dutch weren't really there and they felt worse than they had thought themselves and that made them quite passive.
 
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The Dutch rode pretty much as their team selection dictated. They had the option to pick arguably the four best riders in the peloton so they did just that. Having done so, it was likely they would not control the race (since nobody to do that job) and hence there is the possibility of this result. Another (probably better) option was to pick an obvious domestique (Pieters / Van Dijk / Blaak etc). Difficult decision to decide which of the big four to leave out of course. They would still have got away with it if just one of superstars was on a superstar day or if the winner hadn't been a lot better than anyone could really have predicted
 
Yeah... one has to wonder what would have changed... but if you get confusing time gaps maybe you shouldn't trust them... and sent someone back to the team car... also I think there was still not a coordinated chase and in the end Kiesenhofer had 1.15...

Well, it sure was the result of many factors coming together. But for me one of the main mistake was that the Dutch didn't really take the race into their hands. If you have four! of the biggest favourites and no other team comes remotely close, you should take that responsibility, keep the break in check, get rid of most of your competitors, and not look and wait and act a bit and then not anymore...
In the end, since only van Vleuten was really there in the end, maybe the legs of the Dutch weren't really there and they felt worse than they had thought themselves and that made them quite passive.
I don't think so. Van der Breggen said they had energy left and could have done more..

Anyway, of course a lot of mistakes even if the organisation messed up. Dutch DS saying they shouldn't have let the gap become that big but the riders weren't aware, can't imagine they had zero communication for all that time when the peloton was doing nothing. And then VDB saying after the race she knew about the 10 minutes gap to the lead which is contradicting.

It looks like
1 they didn't have a plan for a very predictable scenario (similar to Belgium yesterday but then with multiple favourites) - what to do when nobody's chasing and we are only 4.
2 they were not prepared for a no comms race (and this is the only race in the year without communication, also not with your regular team)
3 didn't count how many leaders they caught

and then the organisational mess did the rest.
 
It's pretty bad and embarrassing for the Dutch if they didn't know there was a rider ahead and then when they found out still didn't congratulate, but it's just as bad if not worse that ELB and Kopecky knew and still didn't congratulate Kiesenhofer.
Exactly, made me feel sad. I love women’s cycling but I loved how the men were all so happy for eachother yesterday…
 
Exactly, made me feel sad. I love women’s cycling but I loved how the men were all so happy for eachother yesterday…
The dutch dont even seem to be able to admit they made tactical errors and just congratulate Anna. No, it is all excuses how they did not know and that they could not underestimate Anna because she is baiscally a nobody, which she is not for sure entirely.
 

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