2023-24 Cyclocross Game

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Main scorers this weekend who are in the game
ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
RONHAAR Pim
200​
200​
200​
ISERBYT Eli
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
SWEECK Laurens
170​
BACKSTEDT Zoe
140​
140​
140​
140​
140​
SCHREIBER Marie
120​
120​
120​
120​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
NYS Thibau
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
VAN ALPHEN Aniek
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
84​
84​
84​
84​
84​
KAMP Ryan
80​
ROCHETTE Maghalie
80​
BETSEMA Denise
78​
KUHN Kevin
70​
70​
70​
70​
VAN KESSEL Corné
70​


This weekend:


1​
ArmchairCyclist
1590​
2​
RoteLaterne
1480​
3​
Josedin
1442​
4​
PostmanHat
1376​
5​
MuddyWaters
1302​
6​
SamuCuenca
962​
7​
RedheadDane
558​

Could have been even better for me if Sweeck had held on for that last corner.

Standings
1​
ArmchairCyclist
7614​
0​
2​
Josedin
6622​
0​
3​
RoteLaterne
6569​
0​
4​
PostmanHat
5753​
1​
5​
SamuCuenca
5428​
-1​
6​
MuddyWaters
4722​
0​
7​
RedheadDane
2837​
0​
 
I caught up on watching the weekend's races last evening. Seeing Vantourenhout and Sweeck no longer appearing to be in the top level of riders, I certainly didn't expect to top the week's scores, but I guess Backstedt's visit to the road team training camp, and Pieterse joining in the collective ignoring of the World Cup saved me.

Anyone regret not picking Lucinda Brand yet?
Weekend's top scorers
ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
ISERBYT Eli
270​
270​
270​
270​
270​
270​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
220​
220​
220​
220​
SCHREIBER Marie
170​
170​
170​
170​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
BETSEMA Denise
166​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
160​
160​
160​
160​
160​
WORST Annemarie
160​
160​
160​
RONHAAR Pim
140​
140​
140​
BENTVELD Leonie
140​
140​
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin
134​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
130​
130​
130​
130​
130​
130​
VAN EMPEL Fem
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
KUHN Kevin
90​
90​
90​
90​
MASON Cameron
80​
80​
80​
80​
BAKKER Manon
80​
80​
PIETERSE Puck
80​
80​
80​
80​
80​
Vas Kata Blanka
80​



1​
ArmchairCyclist
1914​
2​
RoteLaterne
1822​
3​
Josedin
1712​
4​
PostmanHat
1602​
5​
MuddyWaters
1562​
6​
SamuCuenca
1184​
7​
RedheadDane
884​

Overall
1​
ArmchairCyclist
9528​
0​
2​
RoteLaterne
8391​
1​
3​
Josedin
8334​
-1​
4​
PostmanHat
7355​
0​
5​
SamuCuenca
6612​
0​
6​
MuddyWaters
6284​
0​
7​
RedheadDane
3721​
0​


I had at one stage considered being in Belgium next weekend, and going to Essen. That didn't come off, but one day I'll get across for a weekend of these one day, some time.
 
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Lucinda Brand could be the game changer, but I didn't know she would return to racing so soon and I honestly didn't expect her to be that good race after race.

Congrats for winning second week in a row. Crossing fingers for your Belgium trip to come.
 
Rucphen, Essen and Val di Sole

First midweek points in the game, I think: No, Koppenbergcross was on a Wednesday
ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
200​
200​
200​
200​
BAKKER Manon
200​
200​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
PIETERSE Puck
140​
140​
140​
140​
140​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
120​
120​
BARONI Francesca
116​
KAMP Ryan
110​
CASASOLA Sara
110​
110​
ISERBYT Eli
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
SWEECK Laurens
90​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
86​
86​
KUHN Kevin
80​
80​
80​
80​
ROCHETTE Maghalie
70​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
50​
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion
50​
50​
50​
ORTS Felipe
50​
50​
50​
VAN AERT Wout
50​



1​
Josedin
1250​
2​
SamuCuenca
1134​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
1066​
4​
PostmanHat
996​
5​
RoteLaterne
950​
6​
MuddyWaters
762​
7​
RedheadDane
524​

Standings
1​
ArmchairCyclist
10594​
0​
2​
Josedin
9584​
1​
3​
RoteLaterne
9341​
-1​
4​
PostmanHat
8351​
0​
5​
SamuCuenca
7746​
0​
6​
MuddyWaters
7046​
0​
7​
RedheadDane
4245​
0​

Van der Poel enters the fray next weekend, and is on four teams.
 
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The other two big names are in, and one of them is already raking in the points

ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
Pidcock Tom
240​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
PIETERSE Puck
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
RONHAAR Pim
170​
170​
170​
ISERBYT Eli
152​
152​
152​
152​
152​
152​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
140​
140​
140​
140​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
126​
126​
126​
126​
126​
126​
126​
CASASOLA Sara
120​
120​
WORST Annemarie
116​
116​
116​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
114​
114​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
104​
104​
104​
104​
104​
ORTS Felipe
100​
100​
100​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
SCHREIBER Marie
90​
90​
90​
90​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
82​
KAY Anna
70​
BENTVELD Leonie
70​
70​
Felipe Orts craftily picking up lots of Spanish points while not appearing on our screens.

A very close week between most teams

1​
Josedin
1566​
2​
MuddyWaters
1550​
3​
PostmanHat
1544​
4​
RoteLaterne
1532​
5​
ArmchairCyclist
1512​
6​
SamuCuenca
1250​
7​
RedheadDane
757​

Standings
So close that there is no change in the standings
1​
ArmchairCyclist
12106​
0​
2​
Josedin
11150​
0​
3​
RoteLaterne
10873​
0​
4​
PostmanHat
9895​
0​
5​
SamuCuenca
8996​
0​
6​
MuddyWaters
8596​
0​
7​
RedheadDane
5002​
0​


The game had a staggered start, so what if we all had the same start point:
Points through the whole season
1​
ArmchairCyclist
18840​
2​
Josedin
18232​
3​
RoteLaterne
17795​
4​
MuddyWaters
17102​
5​
SamuCuenca
16557​
6​
PostmanHat
16531​
7​
RedheadDane
8295​

Points since entries closed
1​
ArmchairCyclist
10322​
2​
RoteLaterne
9988​
3​
Josedin
9818​
4​
PostmanHat
9010​
5​
MuddyWaters
8596​
6​
SamuCuenca
8022​
7​
RedheadDane
3983​

Can't say whay the updating schedule will be when there is the flurry of races around Christmas (but if it is anything like last year, looking forward to it greatly)
 
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Pre-Christmas weekend (Mol and Antwerp)

ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
250​
250​
250​
250​
VAN AERT Wout
210​
VAN EMPEL Fem
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
PIETERSE Puck
140​
140​
140​
140​
140​
ISERBYT Eli
140​
140​
140​
140​
140​
140​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
136​
136​
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin
130​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
120​
120​
120​
120​
120​
120​
SWEECK Laurens
120​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
116​
116​
116​
116​
116​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
100​
100​
100​
100​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
80​
80​
80​
80​
80​
80​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
78​
BACKSTEDT Zoe
78​
78​
78​
78​
78​
Pidcock Tom
70​
SCHREIBER Marie
70​
70​
70​
70​
BAKKER Manon
70​
70​

MvdP makes his mark properly:
A tie!
1​
RoteLaterne
1622​
1​
Josedin
1622​
3​
PostmanHat
1612​
4​
MuddyWaters
1332​
5​
ArmchairCyclist
1300​
6​
RedheadDane
1241​
7​
SamuCuenca
1192​

Standings
No change, but the teams with Van der Poel could steamroller me over the next few days
1​
ArmchairCyclist
13406​
0​
2​
Josedin
12772​
0​
3​
RoteLaterne
12495​
0​
4​
PostmanHat
11507​
0​
5​
SamuCuenca
10188​
0​
6​
MuddyWaters
9928​
0​
7​
RedheadDane
6243​
0​

Five days in a row with major races coming up, change is surely in the air.
 
Points haul across the five day post-Christmas session:

ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
600​
600​
600​
600​
PIETERSE Puck
500​
500​
500​
500​
500​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
470​
470​
470​
470​
470​
470​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
410​
410​
410​
410​
VAN EMPEL Fem
390​
390​
390​
390​
390​
390​
390​
VAN AERT Wout
370​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
256​
256​
256​
256​
256​
256​
ISERBYT Eli
240​
240​
240​
240​
240​
240​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
240​
240​
240​
240​
240​
240​
240​
Vas Kata Blanka
240​
Pidcock Tom
221​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
220​
220​
220​
220​
220​
CASASOLA Sara
218​
218​
SCHREIBER Marie
200​
200​
200​
200​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
200​
200​
RONHAAR Pim
190​
190​
190​
KAMP Ryan
186​
BACKSTEDT Zoe
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
BAKKER Manon
146​
146​
ORTS Felipe
146​
146​
146​
WORST Annemarie
140​
140​
140​
BENTVELD Leonie
116​
116​
BETSEMA Denise
104​


The question at the end will probably be not whether Van der Poel can dominate, but whether his season is long enough to be decisive.

Through that week:

1​
Josedin
4400​
2​
RoteLaterne
4311​
3​
PostmanHat
4148​
4​
MuddyWaters
3654​
5​
ArmchairCyclist
3425​
6​
SamuCuenca
3120​
7​
RedheadDane
2465​

For my part, leaving out Van Der Poel was a deliberate choice (small number of races, dodgy back), but I omitted Pieterse because I had heard or read something about her not doing much Cyclocross: I fear that the words 'in September' followed but I didn't notice them. And that has made a difference:

Standings
Josedin becomes the second person to ever hold the lead in a CN cyclocross league, and Rote Laterne has very nearly eliminated the advantage I had by being in the game one race earlier

1​
Josedin
17172​
1​
2​
ArmchairCyclist
16831​
-1​
3​
RoteLaterne
16806​
0​
4​
PostmanHat
15655​
0​
5​
MuddyWaters
13582​
1​
6​
SamuCuenca
13308​
-1​
7​
RedheadDane
8708​
0​



If nobody had points before Dendermonde, by which time all the teams were in:
1​
RoteLaterne
15921​
2​
Josedin
15840​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
15047​
4​
PostmanHat
14770​
5​
MuddyWaters
13582​
6​
SamuCuenca
12334​
7​
RedheadDane
7689​


Or if we backdated our scores to what PCS records as the start of the season (1st July, which no-one considers the CX season)

1​
Josedin
24254​
2​
RoteLaterne
23728​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
23565​
4​
PostmanHat
22291​
5​
MuddyWaters
22088​
6​
SamuCuenca
20869​
7​
RedheadDane
12001​

The fully gory numerical detail is in the spreadsheet
 
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New Year's Week Races on Monday (NYD), Thursday, Sat and Sunday, but that will be the last of these megaweeks. Are there any more midweek events of relevance?

ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
400​
400​
400​
400​
RONHAAR Pim
270​
270​
270​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
206​
206​
206​
206​
206​
206​
SWEECK Laurens
202​
PIETERSE Puck
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
200​
200​
200​
200​
VAN EMPEL Fem
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
BACKSTEDT Zoe
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
WORST Annemarie
162​
162​
162​
VAN AERT Wout
150​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
150​
150​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
142​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
138​
138​
BETSEMA Denise
134​
NYS Thibau
126​
126​
126​
126​
126​
126​


This week:

1​
Josedin
2557​
2​
RoteLaterne
2464​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
2112​
4​
PostmanHat
2110​
5​
MuddyWaters
2066​
6​
SamuCuenca
1695​
7​
RedheadDane
1635​

Standings
Rote Laterne completes catching up on me after missing Koppenberg
1​
Josedin
19729​
0​
2​
RoteLaterne
19270​
1​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
18943​
-1​
4​
PostmanHat
17765​
0​
5​
MuddyWaters
15648​
0​
6​
SamuCuenca
15003​
0​
7​
RedheadDane
10343​
0​

And the order is the same now, whether we take the rules that I set (as above), or we take all points since the beginning of July, or since entries closed just before Dendermonde.

National Championships next weekend, not as many points as most weekends.
 
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An odd couple of weeks: nationals, an Ethias race with a very poor depth of field, and a World Cup race not won by Van der Poel.
The main points gained:
ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
275​
275​
ISERBYT Eli
250​
250​
250​
250​
250​
250​
PIETERSE Puck
235​
235​
235​
235​
235​
VAN EMPEL Fem
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
VAN AERT Wout
200​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
NYS Thibau
180​
180​
180​
180​
180​
180​
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion
155​
155​
155​
ORTS Felipe
150​
150​
150​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
145​
145​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
135​
135​
135​
135​
135​
135​
135​
CASASOLA Sara
130​
130​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
125​
KAMP Ryan
124​
MASON Cameron
120​
120​
120​
120​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
118​
118​
118​
118​
WORST Annemarie
115​
115​
115​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
112​
112​
112​
112​
112​
SCHREIBER Marie
110​
110​
110​
110​
KAY Anna
104​
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
100​
100​
100​
100​
Vas Kata Blanka
100​

A rather mixed bag of results, the upshot of which is:
1​
MuddyWaters
2308​
2​
ArmchairCyclist
2233​
3​
Josedin
2189​
4​
PostmanHat
2175​
5​
RoteLaterne
2171​
6​
SamuCuenca
2042​
7​
RedheadDane
1308​

And the overall positions remain unchanged:
1​
Josedin
21918​
2​
RoteLaterne
21441​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
21176​
4​
PostmanHat
19940​
5​
MuddyWaters
17956​
6​
SamuCuenca
17045​
7​
RedheadDane
11651​

Flandriencross andHoogerheide WC at the weekend.
 
Flandriencross + Hoogerheide

ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
VAN EMPEL Fem
300​
300​
300​
300​
300​
300​
300​
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
300​
300​
300​
300​
ISERBYT Eli
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
170​
170​
170​
170​
Vas Kata Blanka
170​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
150​
150​
RONHAAR Pim
140​
140​
140​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
130​
130​
130​
130​
130​
130​
130​
NYS Thibau
120​
120​
120​
120​
120​
120​
BACKSTEDT Zoe
120​
120​
120​
120​
120​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
114​
114​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
106​
106​
106​
106​
106​
SCHREIBER Marie
100​
100​
100​
100​
BAKKER Manon
92​
92​
ORTS Felipe
90​
90​
90​
WORST Annemarie
84​
84​
84​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
76​
PIETERSE Puck
70​
70​
70​
70​
70​
BETSEMA Denise
68​
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion
50​
50​
50​
HOLMGREN Isabella
50​

This weekend
The top two pull farther away, the bottom two fall farther adrift, the middle trio compacts still more.


1​
Josedin
1923​
2​
RoteLaterne
1910​
3​
PostmanHat
1696​
4​
MuddyWaters
1661​
5​
ArmchairCyclist
1614​
6​
SamuCuenca
1476​
7​
RedheadDane
1071​

No change of position again, and even with the generous World Championship points available, I'm not sure that much can be expected.
1​
Josedin
23841​
2​
RoteLaterne
23351​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
22790​
4​
PostmanHat
21636​
5​
MuddyWaters
19617​
6​
SamuCuenca
18521​
7​
RedheadDane
12710​
 
So it turns out that I had been making a mistake. I did announce at the beginning of the game that this was about elite level points, not U23 ones, but it was only with the World Championships that I realised that there is such a thing as U23 points for women, in the European championships as well as the worlds. So while I have been removing points from the Euro U23s for RhD's selection of Van Sinaey, I hadn't for others. so the following points will be deducted from scores (where they have already been factored in), or will remain absent from your scores (WC U23)

I had already deducted U23 points from Van den Eijnden and Van Den Boer (unsurprisingly, unique picks for RhD): I don't think anyone else selected on the men's side has a mixture of elite & U23 points: Ronhaar and Nys could have ridden at that level but didn't: Verstrynge is the highest ranked rider to have mixed up the two levels during the season, but was unpicked.

`EurosotherWorld
BACKSTEDT Zoe
40​
80​
BENTVELD Leonie
26​
55​
HOLMGREN Isabella
15​
50​
SCHREIBER Marie
34​
45​
VAN SINAEY Xaydée
18​
40​

So once I have that sorted on the spreadsheet, I can update for the World's.
 
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Scrub all that: I might have been under-crediting Van Sinaey by 18 points for much of the season, but it turns out that although PCS includes U 18 points in the rider summary, it excludes them from the table. At least it does now: I don't think it was a few weeks ago.

But they have included men's U23 points in the table to the benefit of Van den Eijnden and Van den Boer, so I will continue to strip those out manually..
An odd inconsistency.
 
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So, from the World Championships:
(elite level only, no points from the relay)

ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
VAN EMPEL Fem
275​
275​
275​
275​
275​
275​
275​
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
275​
275​
275​
275​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
225​
225​
225​
225​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
190​
190​
PIETERSE Puck
190​
190​
190​
190​
190​
RONHAAR Pim
170​
170​
170​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
170​
ISERBYT Eli
150​
150​
150​
150​
150​
150​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
150​
150​
CASASOLA Sara
135​
135​
WORST Annemarie
120​
120​
120​
NYS Thibau
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
90​
ORTS Felipe
80​
80​
80​
ROCHETTE Maghalie
80​

We return from Czechia with the following points gained:


1​
Josedin
2019​
2​
RoteLaterne
1959​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
1732​
4​
MuddyWaters
1615​
5​
SamuCuenca
1525​
6​
PostmanHat
1500​
7​
RedheadDane
1081​

and the standings, once again, are unchanged
1​
Josedin
25860​
2​
RoteLaterne
25310​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
24522​
4​
PostmanHat
23136​
5​
MuddyWaters
21232​
6​
SamuCuenca
20046​
7​
RedheadDane
13791​

The season is getting near the end. We have an exact Cross midweek and 2 races next weekend, and after that it's just the Brussels University race, and then bikes are hosed down until the autumn. I'm not sure what amount of participation from the main names to expect in what is left.
 
Maldegem, Middelkerke and Lille: the post-Worlds circuit for those that are still bothered

ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
ISERBYT Eli
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
200​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
200​
200​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
186​
186​
186​
186​
186​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
162​
162​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
152​
152​
152​
152​
152​
152​
152​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
150​
150​
150​
150​
BENTVELD Leonie
136​
136​
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion
126​
126​
126​
WORST Annemarie
110​
110​
110​
VAN ALPHEN Aniek
108​
108​
108​
108​
108​
108​
ORTS Felipe
104​
104​
104​
VAN EMPEL Fem
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
100​
BAKKER Manon
78​
78​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
70​
70​
70​
70​
70​
70​
SWEECK Laurens
70​

And without Van der Poel beating everyone and every race up, I get a look in

1​
ArmchairCyclist
1542​
2​
Josedin
1375​
3​
RoteLaterne
1272​
4​
PostmanHat
1210​
5​
MuddyWaters
1114​
6​
SamuCuenca
1104​
7​
RedheadDane
780​

But lest there had been any doubt, Josedin takes another hundred points out of 2nd place Rote Laterne in the overall
1​
Josedin
27235​
2​
RoteLaterne
26582​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
26064​
4​
PostmanHat
24346​
5​
MuddyWaters
22346​
6​
SamuCuenca
21150​
7​
RedheadDane
14571​

And so there is just one race left, the Brussels University X2O race. I can't imagine those gaps beoing closed in one day's racing (although if we take points from the beginning of July, which PCS counts as the season's start, there is one battle for places that is only about 100 points).
 
So after this prototype, where do we go?
Picking riders: by budget or from groups? I opted for groups this year partly because I had no notion of where I might set a budget limit, but perhaps more so because I suspected that most would-be players, like me, have very little familiarity with names outside the top 40 or 50. There isn't the wide scope of races to follow that show us other riders, and I don't think many of us have a good knowledge of the field in a typical, non-Exact, C2 race. This system did make for a lot of team similarity, but essentially neutralising the top scorers is also what a budget does (not many invested 3000 pts plus on Pogacar in the main game)

Start of the season? Should we count points from the nominal start of the season, which (especially in a budget game) would bring a lot more into play about who competes in the American races? From 1st World Cup event? First Belgian/Dutch C1 race? First European World Cup race? I have no strong feelings about that, and this season's start date was largely determined by me not having done anything sooner, but wanting to have a go at launching an edition this year, so it's not a precedent I really want to follow. And if the closing date is after point earning has begun, is it fairer to all start from the same point, or to reward those who take the plunge early?

Closing date for the game? This season, the first races were in mid August, but I doubt any of us are giving much thought to cyclocross during the build-up to La Vuelta, So when could I ask you to think about it? The same options as above seem the obvious landmarks on the calendar: this year that would have been Waterloo on 15 Oct, Overijse a week later, or Maasmechelen at the end of that month.

Point scale What to do with U23 points? PCS are very inconsistent about showing them or not (included in men's table, not in women's). Or is there another scale of points? @LosBrolin : what can First offer by way of
CX rankings?

Everything is up for discussion: balance of men and women, size of team, whatever. It won't challenge the Main season CQ game on this board, but it can add a bit of fun to the winter other than honing and then regretting our selections there.
 
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So there were 2 races left, I hadn't seen anything about the Sint Nicklaas races on Saturday (or had forgotten them if I had)

So the final weekend of the season sees these riders star for us :
ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
ISERBYT Eli
140​
140​
140​
140​
140​
140​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
130​
130​
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion
112​
112​
112​
WORST Annemarie
96​
96​
96​
BAKKER Manon
90​
90​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
82​
82​
BENTVELD Leonie
78​
78​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
70​
70​
70​
70​
70​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
70​
70​
70​
70​
70​
70​
70​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
70​
70​
70​
70​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
70​


And the final installment of scores is:


1​
ArmchairCyclist
797​
2​
PostmanHat
653​
3​
Josedin
618​
4​
RoteLaterne
616​
5​
MuddyWaters
527​
6​
RedheadDane
442​
7​
SamuCuenca
433​


And the overall positions remain as they have been for several weeks now
1​
Josedin
27853​
2​
RoteLaterne
27198​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
26861​
4​
PostmanHat
24999​
5​
MuddyWaters
22873​
6​
SamuCuenca
21583​
7​
RedheadDane
15013​


It has also bee the case that even if nobody had any points credited before everyone started (at Dendermonde) that the positions would be the same:


1​
Josedin
26521​
2​
RoteLaterne
26313​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
25077​
4​
PostmanHat
24114​
5​
MuddyWaters
22873​
6​
SamuCuenca
20609​
7​
RedheadDane
13994​

And the same would be true if we took our riders' points since the very start of the season



1​
Josedin
34935​
2​
RoteLaterne
34120​
3​
ArmchairCyclist
33595​
4​
PostmanHat
31635​
5​
MuddyWaters
31379​
6​
SamuCuenca
29144​
7​
RedheadDane
18306​

Congratulations to Josedin, and to Rote Laterne for keeping some element of contest in it.

I believe that Josedin was top scorer on 6 updates, plus a shared one, I had 6 top spots, Rote Laterne had 1 plus the other half of that tied week, and Muddy Waters was top of the pile once.
 
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All the selected riders (season long scores, because those are the ones that easily copy into this table):
ArmchairJosedinMuddyPostmanRhDRote LSamu
ISERBYT Eli
3347​
3347​
3347​
3347​
3347​
3347​
ALVARADO Ceylin Del Carmen
2910​
2910​
2910​
2910​
2910​
2910​
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
2724​
2724​
2724​
2724​
VAN EMPEL Fem
2715​
2715​
2715​
2715​
2715​
2715​
2715​
VAN DER HAAR Lars
2433​
2433​
2433​
2433​
2433​
2433​
2433​
PIETERSE Puck
2101​
2101​
2101​
2101​
2101​
RONHAAR Pim
2090​
2090​
2090​
VANTHOURENHOUT Michael
2077​
2077​
VANDEPUTTE Niels
1998​
1998​
1998​
1998​
1998​
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
1975​
1975​
1975​
1975​
VERDONSCHOT Laura
1970​
1970​
WORST Annemarie
1769​
1769​
1769​
BAKKER Manon
1714​
1714​
SWEECK Laurens
1607​
VAN DER HEIJDEN Inge
1573​
1573​
1573​
1573​
1573​
1573​
VAN ALPHEN Aniek
1514​
1514​
1514​
1514​
1514​
1514​
ORTS Felipe
1511​
1511​
1511​
SCHREIBER Marie
1410​
1410​
1410​
1410​
CASASOLA Sara
1403​
1403​
NYS Thibau
1334​
1334​
1334​
1334​
1334​
1334​
BACKSTEDT Zoe
1318​
1318​
1318​
1318​
1318​
VANDEBOSCH Toon
1297​
KAMP Ryan
1272​
BENTVELD Leonie
1257​
1257​
MASON Cameron
1185​
1185​
1185​
1185​
NORBERT RIBEROLLE Marion
1176​
1176​
1176​
BETSEMA Denise
1176​
ROCHETTE Maghalie
1149​
KUHN Kevin
1062​
1062​
1062​
1062​
VAN AERT Wout
980​
BARONI Francesca
900​
KAY Anna
880​
Vas Kata Blanka
830​
HOLMGREN Isabella
785​
KUYPERS Gerben
671​
671​
671​
Pidcock Tom
613​
VAN KESSEL Corné
597​
MEIN Thomas
543​
VAN DE PUTTE Victor
438​
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin
384​
MUZIC Évita
232​
VAN SINAEY Xaydée
195​
VAN DEN EIJNDEN Guus
84​
VAN DEN BOER Seppe
46​
VAN DEN BOSSCHE Angelo
0​
VAN DER VREKEN Lucas
0​
VAN SPEYBROEK Matti
0​
33595​
34935​
31379​
31635​
18306​
34120​
29144​
3rd1st5th4th7th2nd6th


And the best possible team (again, based on season long scores, rather than points for the game, but I suspect the outcome would be the same)
Iserbyt Eli
3347​
A
Alvarado Ceylin del Carmen
2910​
A
Nieuwenhuis Joris
2724​
van Empel Fem
2715​
A
Brand Lucinda
2625​
A
van der Haar Lars
2433​
A
Pieterse Puck
2101​
A
Ronhaar Pim
2090​
Vandeputte Niels
1998​
B
Verdonschot Laura
1970​
Worst Annemarie
1769​
B
Bakker Manon
1714​
B
van der Heijden Inge
1573​
B
van Alphen Aniek
1514​
B
Orts Felipe
1511​
B
Schreiber Marie
1410​
Casasola Sara
1403​
Wyseure Joran
1328​
37135​

So 11 women and only 7 men, no Van der Poel (yet alone Van Aert and Pidcock), Vantourenhout or Nys; three riders that were only picked twice (Verdonschott, Bakker and Casasola) and one (Brand) who no-one chose at all.

Thanks for joining in, let's see what we do with this next year. No response at all to my invitations for ideas at all yet...


You have all started your Spring Classics Game selections, I trust. By Saturday morning please, don't forget.
 
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So after this prototype, where do we go?
Picking riders: by budget or from groups?
Start of the season?
Closing date for the game?

Point scale

Late congratulations to Josedin.

I do have no real preference regarding budget or points. Budget however is a nice difference to other games. If selection is by budget I would suggest to make the group A and possible B smaller and reduce the number of picks of these groups. I also think it should be mandatory to choose the same number of men and women in each group/have the same budget for the same number of riders.

I think the start of the season should be with the first World Cup race at latest, first C1 race earliest. Points should count when you entered the game as late entrents have the advantage to know some results, form of riders, season goals of riders etc.

I would prefer a closing date before the start of the first race counting for the game. If not, then before the first European WC race.

No U23 points IMO.

Looking forward to the second edition of the game. :)
 
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