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2023-25 Emerging Riders CQ game

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A shame he couldn't be in my team (as I said, I should have risk a bit and pick him already in 2023 fresh from the amateur circuit) but it's nice to see him doing so great :D

Btw his older brother Jaime returned to racing at amateur level and was 3rd at the spanish elite championship, where the bros could race together for the first time ever in a competition. And now he's racing for a portuguese conti team.
He can join others in the Hall of Shame that were never chosen:
Vlasov
Zingle
Vauquelin
Cosnefroy
Campanaerts
Theuns
Benoot
Zana
Schmidt
Johannessen
Meurisse
Healy
Masnada
Vine
Lafay
etc etc
 
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A shame he couldn't be in my team (as I said, I should have risk a bit and pick him already in 2023 fresh from the amateur circuit) but it's nice to see him doing so great :D
I had a good look at Castrillo as a 0-pointer for the main CQ game last year. As a Memorial Valenciaga winner and Spanish U23 ITT champion who looked like he also could climb a bit, I thought he could at least score some points. Was tempted to take him as a an almost guaranteed unique pick with some upside. And as a result of being in the mix for the main game, he also made my shortlist for this game (again without being selected).

Was happy to see him do well last year (and this!) despite not picking him, as his score wouldn't have been game-changing, and especially not for my hopeless 2023 main game team. But he sure would have been an upgrade on Matthew Walls or David Dekker.

I had a similar temptation to take Jaume Guardeño this year for both games, but again thought better of it. But it seems that Spanish conti neo-pros are becoming a bit more viable nowadays. Until recently, the young Spaniards used to be very not ready for the pro ranks when they stepped up from the amateur scene, and they often needed a few seasons to emerge.
 
I had a good look at Castrillo as a 0-pointer for the main CQ game last year. As a Memorial Valenciaga winner and Spanish U23 ITT champion who looked like he also could climb a bit, I thought he could at least score some points. Was tempted to take him as a an almost guaranteed unique pick with some upside. And as a result of being in the mix for the main game, he also made my shortlist for this game (again without being selected).

Was happy to see him do well last year (and this!) despite not picking him, as his score wouldn't have been game-changing, and especially not for my hopeless 2023 main game team. But he sure would have been an upgrade on Matthew Walls or David Dekker.

I had a similar temptation to take Jaume Guardeño this year for both games, but again thought better of it. But it seems that Spanish conti neo-pros are becoming a bit more viable nowadays. Until recently, the young Spaniards used to be very not ready for the pro ranks when they stepped up from the amateur scene, and they often needed a few seasons to emerge.

I mean if you win Valenciaga, you absolutely can climb quite a bit hahaha
It's probably the hardest "classic" there is in the spanish amateur scene. Plus he also won the Subida a Gorla. And the u23 itt nats. The full GC-rider packet, although with his broader figure he struck to me more like a good allrounder in pros rather than a GT rider.

Guardeño looks more like a "pure" climber - although he also can defend decent the tt - and I agree he's been this year the best spanish neopro coming from the amateur scene. For sure he's on my short list for next year :)
 
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Year 2 Month 8 12 Aug to 8 Sept
This cohort had two stage wins at the Giro, and have followed it up with one win, and a serial stage challenger, in the Vuelta.

SEGAERT Alec
231​
13​
Renewi tour GC 2nd with a stage win*
ONLEY Oscar
196​
36​
10th Tour de Pologne, 3rd Tour of Britain
POOLE Max
176​
13​
2nd and 3x3rd in Vuelta stages, 3rd in points
NYS Thibau
169​
33​
3 stage wins in TdP, Plouay 5th
BITTNER Pavel
149​
2 (Jon E, Vladimir)​
Vuelta stage win and other placings
LAMPERTI Luke
149​
1 (Ricco)​
6th in Jef Scherens, 4ths in Deutschland Tour,
HAGENES Per Strand
147​
24​
BAUDIN Alex
147​
6​
GREGOIRE Romain
124​
40​
RYAN Archie
101​
26​
*This update was done after Segaert's win in the Euro ITT, but using data from before it. But it makes no difference, as CQ doesn't give points for continental U23 titles.

But Vuelta top ten finisher Lipowitz and folk-hero Pablo Castrillo were missed by all of us.

Popular picks have some of the big scores, so a fairly high scoring month. But more so for one team by a noteworthy amount.
1DevilsElbow
1455​
Segaert, Onley, Poole, Nys, Hagenes, Baudin, Gregoire, Ryan
2Squire
1213​
Segaert, Onley, Nys, Hagenes, Gregoire, Ryan
3LukasCPH
1151​
Segaert, Onley, Poole, Hagenes, Gregoire, Ryan
4Berflamand
1114​
Segaert, Onley, Nys, Hagenes, Gregoire, Ryan
5Skidmark
1091​
Onley, Poole, Nys, Hagenes, Gregoire, Ryan
6ZipiZapismo
1078​
7Vladimir
1074​
8SafeBet
1066​
9JPettersen
1050​
10Madrazo
1049​
11Cordi
1041​
11Laarsland
1041​
13Nyssinator
1019​
14Joelsim
997​
15Anderis
979​
16EvansIsTheBest
966​
17RoteLaterne
965​
18Fivezzz
949​
19Comodoro
948​
20Greenedge
942​
21Ricco
935​
22Otoxiep87
926​
23JonEzeitza
925​
24Armchair_Cyclist
910​
25JumboVismaFan
900​
26Nakazar
894​
27AmisVelo
858​
28Rufs
842​
29Ludwigzgz
835​
30Salvarani
832​
31DJW
804​
32Ray10
773​
33Hfgon1
746​
34DJSprtsch
744​
35Kryvoskyn
743​
36Leadbelly
708​
37Bminchow
628​
38Alvarakas
626​
39Jakob747
621​
40Kazistuta
563​
41Blues_in_the_Bottle
527​
42Josedin
391​
43RedheadDane
384​
CollectiveWisdom
929​
CollectiveIgnorance
1339​
MainGame2023
755​
Goodin2022
645​

Standings
Devil's Elbow won the monthly scores by more than 200 points, missing only the rarest picks among the riders who scored 100+. That's enough to put him back in the lead. Zipi enters the top ten.
1​
DevilsElbow11561
1​
2​
Cordi11260
-1​
3​
JPettersen10950
2​
4​
Berflamand10942
3​
5​
Skidmark10934
1​
6​
Nakazar10877
-3​
7​
Fivezzz10857
-3​
8​
SafeBet10841
0​
9​
ZipiZapismo10736
2​
10​
RoteLaterne10719
-1​
11​
EvansIsTheBest10644
-1​
12​
Squire10544
5​
13​
Armchair_Cyclist10503
-1​
14​
Madrazo10462
0​
15​
Otoxiep8710442
-2​
16​
Nyssinator10386
0​
17​
Laarsland10356
1​
18​
Joelsim10260
1​
19​
DJW10183
-4​
20​
LukasCPH10058
2​
21​
JonEzeitza10026
-1​
22​
Anderis9875
1​
23​
JumboVismaFan9825
-2​
24​
Rufs9617
0​
25​
Ludwigzgz9513
0​
26​
Comodoro9367
3​
27​
Salvarani9289
1​
28​
Ricco9288
2​
29​
Kryvoskyn9267
-2​
30​
Leadbelly9233
-4​
31​
Alvarakas8970
0​
32​
Hfgon18635
0​
33​
Vladimir8604
1​
34​
Bminchow8264
-1​
35​
AmisVelo8080
1​
36​
Greenedge8038
2​
37​
Ray107965
0​
38​
Kazistuta7963
-3​
39​
Blues_in_the_Bottle7392
0​
40​
Jakob7476650
0​
41​
DJSprtsch6481
1​
42​
Josedin6138
-1​
43​
RedheadDane4317
0​
CollectiveWisdom10915
CollectiveIgnorance12946
MainGame202310092
Goodin20228150
 
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I actually do have Lamperti in the edition prior to this one, so as insanely good as this update already is for me it could have been even crazier. Still, happy to be back on top, especially because it's combined with the first little bit of separation this edition has seen.
 
I actually do have Lamperti in the edition prior to this one, so as insanely good as this update already is for me it could have been even crazier. Still, happy to be back on top, especially because it's combined with the first little bit of separation this edition has seen.
I paid a visit to your team. Between us, it falls to:

Baudin - Poole - Ryan - Penhoet - Thompson - Svrcek on your side.
Christen - Morgado - Brenner - Tronchon - Steinhauser - Arrieta on mine.
 
Year 2 Month 9 Sept 9 to Oct 6

POOLE Max
215​
13​
Langkawi stage & GC wins
JEANNIERE Emilien
168​
1 (Leadbelly)​
Tour of Istanbul GC 3rd and st win, Impanis 4th
FRETIN Milan
154​
1 (Redhead Dane)​
3rd 3 times: Chauney, Binche-Chimay-Binch and Munsterland
PIGANZOLI Davide
144​
6​
Emilia 3rd, Pantani 7th, Luxembourg 9th
MIHKELS Madis
111​
34​
Euro's 3rd, Kamp van Vlaanderen 7th
TARLING Joshua
110​
24​
World's ITT 4th
LAMPERTI Luke
96​
1 (Ricco)​
HAGENES Per Strand
96​
24​
SYRITSA Gleb
96​
22​
PENHOËT Paul
84​
21​
GREGOIRE Romain
82​
40​
BRENNER Marco
78​
29​
STEINHAUSER Georg
78​
8​


1Skidmark
968​
Poole, Mihkels, Tarling, Haganes, Syritsa, Penhoet, Gregoire, Brenner
2SafeBet
966​
Poole, Piganzoli, Mihkels, Haganes, Penhoet, Gregoire, Brenner
3Leadbelly
924​
Poole, Jeanniere, Piganzoli, Tarling, Syritsa, Gregoire
4DevilsElbow
904​
Poole, Mihkels, Tarling, Haganes, Penhoet, Gregoire
5Comodoro
898​
Poole, Piganzoli, Mihkels, Penhoet, Gregoire
6ZipiZapismo
865​
7Berflamand
847​
8LukasCPH
843​
9JPettersen
824​
10Otoxiep87
817​
11Fivezzz
812​
12EvansIsTheBest
809​
13AmisVelo
797​
14Ludwigzgz
794​
15JonEzeitza
789​
16Nakazar
778​
17Madrazo
753​
18Squire
738​
19Armchair_Cyclist
735​
20Joelsim
714​
21Cordi
701​
22Ricco
695​
23Anderis
687​
24Bminchow
682​
25Salvarani
643​
26Alvarakas
611​
27JumboVismaFan
603​
28Nyssinator
602​
29DJSprtsch
597​
30Kryvoskyn
586​
31DJW
567​
32Rufs
559​
33RoteLaterne
552​
33Ray10
552​
35Vladimir
545​
36Laarsland
538​
37Josedin
526​
38Blues_in_the_Bottle
509​
39Hfgon1
482​
40Greenedge
448​
41Kazistuta
392​
42RedheadDane
381​
43Jakob747
280​
CollectiveWisdom
794​
CollectiveIgnorance
635​
Lund (108) Jegat (105)
MainGame2023
661​
Goodin2022
617​


Standings
1​
DevilsElbow12465
0​
2​
Cordi11961
0​
3​
Skidmark11902
2​
4​
SafeBet11807
4​
5​
Berflamand11789
-1​
6​
JPettersen11774
-3​
7​
Fivezzz11669
0​
8​
Nakazar11655
-2​
9​
ZipiZapismo11601
0​
10​
EvansIsTheBest11453
1​
11​
Squire11282
1​
12​
RoteLaterne11271
-2​
13​
Otoxiep8711259
2​
14​
Armchair_Cyclist11238
-1​
15​
Madrazo11215
-1​
16​
Nyssinator10988
0​
17​
Joelsim10974
1​
18​
LukasCPH10901
2​
19​
Laarsland10894
-2​
20​
JonEzeitza10815
1​
21​
DJW10750
-2​
22​
Anderis10562
0​
23​
JumboVismaFan10428
0​
24​
Ludwigzgz10307
1​
25​
Comodoro10265
1​
26​
Rufs10176
-2​
27​
Leadbelly10157
3​
28​
Ricco9983
0​
29​
Salvarani9932
-2​
30​
Kryvoskyn9853
-1​
31​
Alvarakas9581
0​
32​
Vladimir9149
1​
33​
Hfgon19117
-1​
34​
Bminchow8946
0​
35​
AmisVelo8877
0​
36​
Ray108517
1​
37​
Greenedge8486
-1​
38​
Kazistuta8355
0​
39​
Blues_in_the_Bottle7901
0​
40​
DJSprtsch7078
1​
41​
Jakob7476930
-1​
42​
Josedin6664
0​
43​
RedheadDane4698
0​
CollectiveWisdom11709
CollectiveIgnorance13503
MainGame202310753
Goodin20228767

Assuming none of these are likely to place very highly in Lombardy, we are pretty much into the odds and ends of the season here.

Devil's Elbow was 100 points behind 8 weeks ago, so either he has broken clear, or he is demonstrating how quickly things can change. If the latter, then there are plenty of teams closely gathered behind him hoping for a Year 3 challenge.
 
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I had a good look at Castrillo as a 0-pointer for the main CQ game last year. As a Memorial Valenciaga winner and Spanish U23 ITT champion who looked like he also could climb a bit, I thought he could at least score some points. Was tempted to take him as a an almost guaranteed unique pick with some upside. And as a result of being in the mix for the main game, he also made my shortlist for this game (again without being selected).

Was happy to see him do well last year (and this!) despite not picking him, as his score wouldn't have been game-changing, and especially not for my hopeless 2023 main game team. But he sure would have been an upgrade on Matthew Walls or David Dekker.

I had a similar temptation to take Jaume Guardeño this year for both games, but again thought better of it. But it seems that Spanish conti neo-pros are becoming a bit more viable nowadays. Until recently, the young Spaniards used to be very not ready for the pro ranks when they stepped up from the amateur scene, and they often needed a few seasons to emerge.

The folk hero of the Vuelta, and Movistar's great new hope, is the ninth best scorer in the Collective Ignorance team, and while he wouldn't be part of a best possible team, we all have a number of riders in our selections who we would have been wise to omit in favour of him.

As to the bolded, if you had included Castrillo rather than your lowest scoring pick (Vandenabeele), you would be 2nd rather than 11th, so not a difference to be sniffed at.
 
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The main dangers for me next year are Morgado and/or Christen going ballistic, if neither happens a 500-point buffer is likely to suffice.

Could be, but I see it more like an aggregate of your group of 6 riders against mine (or the differentials you may have with other competitors).
In our case, if Poole & Penhoet that I see as the best of your group have a season of bad luck, 500 poing may slip away very easily... It's difficult to predict, so in the end you have a good advantage but it is nowhere near done yet.
I paid a visit to your team. Between us, it falls to:

Baudin - Poole - Ryan - Penhoet - Thompson - Svrcek on your side.
Christen - Morgado - Brenner - Tronchon - Steinhauser - Arrieta on mine.
 
If a gap can open up in 2 months, it can surely be closed in a season. The intrigue is how if might be.
Well, as an optimistic I see infinite scenarios in which my group of 6 riders do 500 more points than his group of 6 riders. The good thing for both of us is that all those 12 riders are still doing fine going into the last year of the game and all of them will be at WT tems and will have opportunities to score big. So we'll see :)