Considering he did great TTs in the Tour in both 2021 and 2022, I find it hard to imagine that an in form Vingegaard would perform so bad in a TT in the Tour. And if he would, I doubt he would be good enough to be competitive in the mountains anyway.To be fair, that depends on which Vingegaard shows up. Does the Vingegaard of 2020 show up, the one who lost 6 minutes to Roglic in an ITT, the 2019 Vingegaard who finished 7th in a ITT in the Tour of Denmark or does the 2022 Vingegaard show up, the one who looked like he could beat a Formula 1 car in a time trial? Because Remco would like his chances of putting 4-5 minutes into a pre-2021 Vingegaard.
That's possible. Not sure about it. But kind of a moot point as they aren't riding against a pre 2021 Vingegaard.Oh for sure, nobody, not Remco, not anyone is putting serious time into 2021 or 2022 Vingegaard. However, Remco, Pog, basically any elite time trialist would put minutes (did put minutes) into a pre 2021 Vingegaard. Didn't he finish outside the top 20 in the 2019 National Time Trial Championships of Denmark? Did he ever crack a top 5 in a TT before his 2021?
Thanks for kicking off this timeless debate again mate.Not at all a prediction but more a wish list. For the 2023 Tour- do the Pyrenees early, the Thursday, Friday and Saturday before the rest day. Then do a 20 K individual time trial around Toulouse. Throw in another 20 K time trial a week later. Two ITTs, none of which fall at the end of the race, in-between the two major mountain chains. Plus I really want an excuse to see a Toulouse stage that isn't a sprint. Make it happen Christian Prudhomm.
Oh, JeezShould start with a prologue, then something like a stage 3-4 TTT.
A stage 7-10 ITT that is VERY long, before we go into the mountains most years. Let's see Vingegaard and Pog about 4-5 minutes behind Remco heading into the mountains. Make them race even harder than the did this year. We'd again have proper mountain stages,
Even the first Pyrenean stage in 1986, one we'd decry as worse than a Peshceux Special, had MASSIVE time gaps, because the racing started on the first climb.
Then either between mountain ranges, or after the mountains, do the second long ITT
There was an initiative to build a mountain at some point, but it was way too expensive.New mountain range in the Netherlands rumoured as after the route presentation, Red Rick will reveal giant mountains of salt. They won‘t be part of the Tour though, too few ridiculous gravel ramps on mountain tops.
the implication that the Armstrong era tours were like the peak of cycling is probably the weirdest thing on this boardWhy people keep putting 50-55 KM ITT like that is going to happen. It was nice while it lasted but they won't come back. And I don't want Indurain's type tours, No thanks.
Pantani had some massive clinic issues. Not a good example. No one has even been close to flying up the most difficult climbs like he was.The races were much better balanced, instead of only allowing the flyweight climbers a chance to win
A rider like Pantani would be nearly unbeatable on today's routes (except maybe to Lance himself and only if Lance was in top form), even though he was not even close to being the best all around rider
I agree. This has been the most positive aspect of recent Tours, an improvement on the worst aspect of the Armstrong era Tours.also the other biggest difference between the tours now and then, and one I can't help but see as a positive, or at least necessary in our era is that it's very rare for a GT to have more than two pure sprint days in a row. even last year's tour which made the trek from Brittany to the Alpes broke up three flat days with a time trial.
Do you mean 2021?I agree. This has been the most positive aspect of recent Tours, an improvement on the worst aspect of the Armstrong era Tours.
Nevertheless, flat stages, especially long (stage 7 in 2020 probably helped the next 2 mountain days), should always have their place.
Wow Libertine, you are really taking a left-field flyer with those two!!!! I believe it's an anti-clockwise tour next year starting in the Pays Basque I assume for Women and Men, so Pau yes agreed, but I am not so sure about Planche des Belles Filles maybe if they have done all the big climbs in the Pyrenees on the way down south and across to the east.Planche des Belles Filles and Pau
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