2023 Women's WT CQ Game

[Rufs]

I made that huge mistake for sure. Easier to choose men but soon they get pregnant too. Brennauer should i remember have retired but poor research so two down already is great

 

[Ricco']

I almost fell for Chantal Blaak too but I remembered to see her name associated with some clinic case from the past and went to check if that would have some future repercussion. Fortunately saw the pregnancy news then.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I appear to have no unique picks on the longlist but 3 unique picks in the table - Mohr I can see appears to be a unique pick but not sure of the other two. Fidanza and Schmid I think from first glance?

Samu - you picked two that were in one of my original plans as your unique picks - Koppenburg and Stiasny. Also glad to see somebody picked Nikola Nosková, she reminds me however a bit of a Fran Cauz or a Kseniya Tuhai that made me shy away from picking her.

BR2 - like you (and as I said earlier in the discussions), Dygert and Deignan were two picks that were super obvious low risk picks but I just couldn't bring myself to have any reason to root for either of them.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Big buys

16 riders at 4000 points is 250 pts each: who did we each decide was worth twice that or more?

Wiebes: Alvarakas
with Kopecky: Josedin

Vollering with Kopecky: Rufs
with Ludwig: Libertine Seguros
with Cavalli and Labous: DJSprtsch

Kopecky with Cavalli: DJW
with Labous and Consonni: Jon Ezeitza

Persico: Archie Boy
with Cavalli: Comodoro
with Cavalli and Labous: Del 1962
with Vos: Bminchow, Ricco

Ludwig with Cavalli and Jorgensen: Jumbo Visma Fan
with Jorgensen: Redhead Dane

Lippert with Jorgensen: Slow Climber

Cavalli: Hfgon1
with Brown and Vos: Muddy Waters
with Consonni: PostmanHat
with Niewiadoma and Vos: Rote Laterne
with Vos: Madrazo

Labous: Evans is the Best

Brown with Ewers: Los Brolin

Consonni: BR2
with Jorgensen and Vos: Amis Velo
with Vos: Salvarani

Niewiadoma with Jorgensen: Shalgo

Ewers: Triley36

Skalniak-Sojka with Jorgensen: Armchair Cyclist

Vos with Faulkner: LeadBelly, Lukas CPH

Faulkner: Samu Cuenca

 

[Armchair cyclist]

I appear to have no unique picks on the longlist but 3 unique picks in the table - Mohr I can see appears to be a unique pick but not sure of the other two. Fidanza and Schmid I think from first glance?

You're right: I hadn't dragged the coding to asterisk UPs far enough down the page to mark them for the last few teams submitted.


So in addition to those marked in the main listing, there are the following unique picks:

Libertine Seguros:
FIDANZA Arianna
MOHR Mari Hole
SCHMID Kaia

Rufs:
BRENNAUER Lisa
NOSKOVA Nikola

TRiley36:
GERRITSE Femke
VAN HAAFTEN Kirstie

Sorry about that

 

[RedheadDane]

Please deduct 10 points from yourself for everyone time you have referred to Norsgaard as "Jørgensen"! Not only is Jørgensen not even her name any longer, but the correct way to refer to her is, and has always been, Norsgaard! I'll forgive the wrong spelling, as I assume you simply don't have access to the letter 'ø'. The usage of the wrong name when copying from CQ is also accepted, as that's them not getting it right. The correct, CQ-style, way would of course be:

NORSGAARD BJERG (JØRGENSEN) Emma Cecilie.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Please deduct 10 points from yourself for everyone time you have referred to Norsgaard as "Jørgensen"! Not only is Jørgensen not even her name any longer, but the correct way to refer to her is, and has always been, Norsgaard! I'll forgive the wrong spelling, as I assume you simply don't have access to the letter 'ø'. The usage of the wrong name when copying from CQ is also accepted, as that's them not getting it right. The correct, CQ-style, way would of course be:

NORSGAARD BJERG (JØRGENSEN) Emma Cecilie.

Apologies for any linguistic offence, but if I use anything other than the name format that CQ use, Excel will not pick up results from their lists.

If you want CQ to change it, info@cqranking.com are usually polite and responsive. But it'll mean I have to change all the occurrences in my spreadsheet.

And should I deduct 10 from your score for the way you had it in your submission?

 

[Armchair cyclist]

In these races last year
When you look at the spreadsheet (I'll put up the link today, when all the tweaks are done) you will see a 'So Last Year' team. If you have done the Spring Classics game in the past you may remember it: it is a combination that I think (although I'm not mathematically certain) is as good as can be made within the rules of the game that scored highest on this selection of races last year. It is a team of two halves,: stars who scarcely bothered with non-WWT/WC races; and makeweights who scored 100% of points in WWT races, because they didn't finish high enough in other races to score but picked up "at least she finished". As such it probably won't be very competitive or interesting, except that it does give a pretext for tracking what Annamiek van Vleuten does, and also Ashleigh Moolman Pasio, universally unselected.

Probably inconsequential, but I have the data, so this is the points won by our riders in the WWT + WC last year.

1​	RoteLaterne	3284​
2​	LukasCPH	3051​
3​	Rufs	3049​
4​	DJW	2957​
5​	Madrazo	2935​
6​	JumboVismaFan	2860​
7​	Shalgo	2847​
8​	Del1962	2787​
9​	LibertineSeguros	2770​
10​	JonEzeitza	2760​
11​	DJSprtsch	2695​
12​	Bminchow	2638​
13​	SamuCuenca	2566​
14​	RedheadDane	2529​
15​	SlowClimber	2527​
16​	PostmanHat	2490​
17​	MuddyWaters	2487​
18​	ArchieBoy	2469​
19​	Comodoro	2446​
20​	Leadbelly	2425​
21​	AmisVelo	2367​
22​	EvansIsTheBest	2351​
23​	Josedin	2336​
24​	Ricco	2280​
25​	Salvarani	2265​
26​	Hfgon1	2039​
27​	Alvarakas	2026​
28​	TRiley36	1973​
29​	ArmchairCyclist	1887​
30​	BR2	1830​
31​	LosBrolin	1722​
	CollectiveWisdom	2638​
	SoLastYear	3730​

 

[RedheadDane]

Apologies for any linguistic offence, but if I use anything other than the name format that CQ use, Excel will not pick up results from their lists.

I meant specifically for your usage of the wrong name in "Big Buys" post (or any other upcoming post). Like this:

Ludwig with Cavalli and Jorgensen: Jumbo Visma Fan
with Jorgensen: Redhead Dane

I don't think Excel is gonna care about how you write it in a forum post.

And should I deduct 10 from your score for the way you had it in your submission?

I specifically said that copying from the (wrong) CQ version is acceptable:

The usage of the wrong name when copying from CQ is also accepted, as that's them not getting it right.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Team similarity

The most similar teams are those of PostmanHat and Hfgon1, with 11 shared riders.
There are three pairings that share 10 riders, and Madrazo is half of all three: he has an overlap of 10 with Bminchow, Lukas CPH and Rote Laterne. And also part of 5 of the 13 9-rider matchups.

No surprise that it is also Madrazo who has most of the the Collective Wisdom team (though there are 18 potential matches there) with 13; Alvarakas, Bminchow and Ricco have 11 of them, and 4 others are in double figures.

You can find your closest team, and maybe other detail I haven't covered in the spreadsheet

Updates, hopefully, soon after each event. Enjoy.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

So here we go

Race 1
Riders selected for the game. These are stage and GC points combined (unlike in men's WT events, there are no CQ points for Climber and Point classifications in WWT)

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1​	BROWN Grace	166​	2​
2​	SPRATT Amanda	124​	4​
4​	ROSEMAN-GANNON Ruby	76​	3​
6​	DOEBEL-HICKOK Kristabel	66​	1​
13​	PIKULIK Daria	32​	1​
15​	NOSKOVA Nikola	24​	1​
18​	COPPONI Clara	19​	5​
24​	WOLLASTON Ally	14​	2​
25​	SCHMID Kaia	14​	1​
33​	NELSON Josie	5​	2​

and 5 picked riders each get 4 points for finishing.

1​	SamuCuenca	194​	Spratt/Doebel-Hickok
2​	LosBrolin	188​	Brown/Woolaston
3​	MuddyWaters	170​	Brown
4​	Rufs	153​	Spratt/Noskova
5​	Madrazo	128​	Spratt
6​	LukasCPH	124​	Spratt
7​	BR2	108​	Roseman-Gannon/Pikulik
8​	Comodoro	81​	Roseman-Gannon/Nelson
9​	ArchieBoy	76​	Roseman-Gannon
10​	LibertineSeguros	41​	Copponi/Schmid
11​	EvansIsTheBest	33​
12​	Alvarakas	23​
13​	AmisVelo	19​
13​	DJW	19​
15​	DJSprtsch	12​
16​	ArmchairCyclist	4​
16​	Bminchow	4​
16​	Josedin	4​
16​	Ricco	4​
16​	Salvarani	4​
16​	Shalgo	4​
22​	Del1962	0​
22​	Hfgon1	0​
22​	JonEzeitza	0​
22​	JumboVismaFan	0​
22​	Leadbelly	0​
22​	PostmanHat	0​
22​	RedheadDane	0​
22​	RoteLaterne	0​
22​	SlowClimber	0​
22​	TRiley36	0​
	CollectiveWisdom	4​
	SoLastYear	0​

And there is a Green Jersey competition, for which the top ten teams in each race score points which are distributed in the pattern evident below. I'll explain/remind you what happens in the case of a draw when one happens.

1​	SamuCuenca	80​
2​	LosBrolin	50​
3​	MuddyWaters	35​
4​	Rufs	25​
5​	Madrazo	15​
6​	LukasCPH	10​
7​	BR2	5​
8​	Comodoro	3​
9​	ArchieBoy	2​
10​	LibertineSeguros	1​

The real test of the spreadsheet is how it handles the second race of a series, but so far so good. The link is in the post above, and I don't necessarily post it every time. Note that I simply update it after each event, rather than saving each update as a separate file as happens in the main CQ game, so if having a record bothers you, you may want to make regular saves. The URL won't change, so I don't necessarily post it in every update, but if I haven't done so for a while and it is difficult to find, prompt me.

CEGORR next on Saturday week.

 

[bminchow]

So here we go

Race 1
Riders selected for the game. These are stage and GC points combined (unlike in men's WT events, there are no CQ points for Climber and Point classifications in WWT)

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1​	BROWN Grace	166​	2​
2​	SPRATT Amanda	124​	4​
4​	ROSEMAN-GANNON Ruby	76​	3​
6​	DOEBEL-HICKOK Kristabel	66​	1​
13​	PIKULIK Daria	32​	1​
15​	NOSKOVA Nikola	24​	1​
18​	COPPONI Clara	19​	5​
24​	WOLLASTON Ally	14​	2​
25​	SCHMID Kaia	14​	1​
33​	NELSON Josie	5​	2​

and 5 picked riders each get 4 points for finishing.

1​	SamuCuenca	194​	Spratt/Doebel-Hickok
2​	LosBrolin	188​	Brown/Woolaston
3​	MuddyWaters	170​	Brown
4​	Rufs	153​	Spratt/Noskova
5​	Madrazo	128​	Spratt
6​	LukasCPH	124​	Spratt
7​	BR2	108​	Roseman-Gannon/Pikulik
8​	Comodoro	81​	Roseman-Gannon/Nelson
9​	ArchieBoy	76​	Roseman-Gannon
10​	LibertineSeguros	41​	Copponi/Schmid
11​	EvansIsTheBest	33​
12​	Alvarakas	23​
13​	AmisVelo	19​
13​	DJW	19​
15​	DJSprtsch	12​
16​	ArmchairCyclist	4​
16​	Bminchow	4​
16​	Josedin	4​
16​	Ricco	4​
16​	Salvarani	4​
16​	Shalgo	4​
22​	Del1962	0​
22​	Hfgon1	0​
22​	JonEzeitza	0​
22​	JumboVismaFan	0​
22​	Leadbelly	0​
22​	PostmanHat	0​
22​	RedheadDane	0​
22​	RoteLaterne	0​
22​	SlowClimber	0​
22​	TRiley36	0​
	CollectiveWisdom	4​
	SoLastYear	0​

And there is a Green Jersey competition, for which the top ten teams in each race score points which are distributed in the pattern evident below. I'll explain/remind you what happens in the case of a draw when one happens.

1​	SamuCuenca	80​
2​	LosBrolin	50​
3​	MuddyWaters	35​
4​	Rufs	25​
5​	Madrazo	15​
6​	LukasCPH	10​
7​	BR2	5​
8​	Comodoro	3​
9​	ArchieBoy	2​
10​	LibertineSeguros	1​

The real test of the spreadsheet is how it handles the second race of a series, but so far so good. The link is in the post above, and I don't necessarily post it every time. Note that I simply update it after each event, rather than saving each update as a separate file as happens in the main CQ game, so if having a record bothers you, you may want to make regular saves. The URL won't change, so I don't necessarily post it in every update, but if I haven't done so for a while and it is difficult to find, prompt me.

CEGORR next on Saturday week.

Too bad the ladies have to wait around 11 days now in Australia for the next race. I guess they can get some good training in the heat.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I did look at the TDU start list while selecting my team, so it's nice that my riders delivered the goods there. I also choose to believe that it's better to have had the lead and lost it than never having had it at all.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

So I wouldn't do this for everyone, but I would hope that it is widely agreed that if anyone deserves tolerant treatment for being late in the week of CQ game submissions it is Skidmark, so I have accepted a team. If you wish to mentally add an asterisk, that's up to you.

His team is:
JØRGENSEN Emma Cecilie Norsgaard
VOS Marianne
REUSSER Marlen
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin
GEORGI Pfeiffer
FISHER-BLACK Niamh
VAN DEN BROEK-BLAAK Chantal
HENDERSON Anna
RIVERA-LABECKI Coryn
VAS Blanka
JASTRAB Megan
REALINI Gaia
BÄCKSTEDT Zoe
VAN EMPEL Fem
DYGERT Chloe
DEIGNAN (ARMITSTEAD) Elizabeth

which has no unique picks and steals nobody's: it is 2nd in the popularity table, sharing 11 riders with Madrazo and 10 each with Rote Laterne, Shalgo and Slow Climber.

I asked him to make sure that he was not taking advantage of the TDU (scored 0 in that) nor of discussion/reveals on the thread. He tells me he has scarcely been online since finishing sorting the CQ game, and the inclusion of Van den Broeck-Blaak shows that he has not been reading the CN discussion of pregnancies among our selections.

There is a slight change to the Collective Wisdom team, which means the Collective Wisdom row/column on the Team similarities tab is no longer accurate (if you have Niedermayer in your team, take one off what it says now).
It now consists of
BÄCKSTEDT Zoe
DEIGNAN (ARMITSTEAD) Elizabeth
DYGERT Chloe
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin
VAS Blanka
KOOL Charlotte
FISHER-BLACK Niamh
KLEIN Lisa
VAN EMPEL Fem
CAVALLI Marta
VOS Marianne
DE WILDE Julie
GIGANTE Sarah
JASTRAB Megan
RIVERA-LABECKI Coryn
plus the average of GEORGI Pfeiffer and REUSSER Marlen.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

oh, and @RedheadDane will be pleased to see that I have replaced all occurences of 'Jorgensen' iin the Big Buys tab with 'Norsgaard'.

 

[skidmark]

His team is:
JØRGENSEN Emma Cecilie Norsgaard
VOS Marianne
REUSSER Marlen
VAN ANROOIJ Shirin
GEORGI Pfeiffer
FISHER-BLACK Niamh
VAN DEN BROEK-BLAAK Chantal
HENDERSON Anna
RIVERA-LABECKI Coryn
VAS Blanka
JASTRAB Megan
REALINI Gaia
BÄCKSTEDT Zoe
VAN EMPEL Fem
DYGERT Chloe
DEIGNAN (ARMITSTEAD) Elizabeth


I asked him to make sure that he was not taking advantage of the TDU (scored 0 in that) nor of discussion/reveals on the thread. He tells me he has scarcely been online since finishing sorting the CQ game, and the inclusion of Van den Broeck-Blaak shows that he has not been reading the CN discussion of pregnancies among our selections.

Lol. Well yep, definitely not filling myself with illicit information, whoops. Looks like I didn't have anyone in the TDU anyway. I'm happy to be asterisked for official purposes, I'm just excited for an opportunity/incentive to follow the women's RR scene more closely and I like the idea of this game. I unfortunately didn't really clock the initial post until AC mentioned it to me in a message just before I went out of internet range for most of the last 5 days, but I'm really happy this game is happening.

I think you might be able to tell from my team that:

• my knowledge of women's RR is very rudimentary
• I do follow women's cyclocross more closely, which accounts for about 5 of my picks
• because my knowledge is largely from seeing headlines and occasionally reading articles on english language websites, I have a lot of well known names and anglo riders (although my nose for popular picks is just as prominent in the men's game where I have much more knowledge). Hopefully at least the default anglo bias changes in future years, but any hipster picks I made this year would be even more of a dart throw than my picks already.

It was quite an odd experience trying to put together a team in an hour, the opposite of the normal weeks-long refining process that I apply to the original game. The element of only WT points brings a very interesting dynamic; I looked at a few riders that seemed like they were emerging, only to see that all their results were in smaller races or NCs for smaller countries, etc. So I kinda played it safe and took riders that showed they could get results at WT level. That's not too dissimilar to emerging talents in the men's game, who might accumulate points at smaller races one year but get equal points for relatively worse placings in higher races the next year. Except it's kind of all or nothing.

Should be fun!

 

[Armchair cyclist]

They're messing up my spreadsheet by cancelling races...

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Nobody picked the winner of the CEGORR, so it looks like the teams with Spratt will continue to hold, and extend, the lead: proper update when CQ put up their results sheet.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Adegeest looked like she would have been a solid pick. I did see her as less of gamble than other high scoring non-WWT riders from 2022 like Skalniak-Sójka, D. Pikulik, Bauernfeind and Niedermaier, but I left her out in the end. I should have known that Zwifters and Australia usually fit together well.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Race 2:CEGORR

No-one picked the winner, and not many people had many of the scorers (Klein was at least popular as one of the 3 pointers)
Spratt's second place, as it was in the TDU, determines the lead.

2​	SPRATT Amanda	84​	4​
4​	NELSON Josie	63​	2​
7​	ROSEMAN-GANNON Ruby	44​	3​
9​	DOEBEL-HICKOK Kristabel	33​	1​
10​	BOILARD Simone	28​	1​
14​	NOSKOVA Nikola	16​	1​
19​	PIKULIK Daria	10​	1​
21​	BROWN Grace	8​	2​
23​	MOHR Mari Hole	6​	1​

and 7 other finishers for 3 points each.

		This race	Scorers	Green points
1​	Rufs	163​	Spratt/Nelson/Noskova	80​
2​	SamuCuenca	120​	Spratt/Doebel-Hickok	50​
3​	Comodoro	107​	Nelson/Roseman-Gannon	35​
4​	Madrazo	87​	Spratt	25​
5​	LukasCPH	84​	Spratt	15​
6​	BR2	54​	Roseman-Gannon/Pikulik	10​
7​	ArchieBoy	44​	Roseman-Gannon	5​
8​	DJSprtsch	37​	Boilard	3​
9​	LibertineSeguros	15​		2​
10​	LosBrolin	14​		1​
11​	MuddyWaters	11​
12​	Alvarakas	6​

10 teams with 3 points, and ten with none.


Green points
Only one of the top ten today was not top ten in TDU, so only 11 teams are off the mark.

1​	SamuCuenca	130​	0​
2​	Rufs	105​	2​
3​	LosBrolin	51​	-1​
4​	Madrazo	40​	1​
5​	Comodoro	38​	3​
6​	MuddyWaters	35​	-3​
7​	LukasCPH	25​	-1​
8​	BR2	15​	-1​
9​	ArchieBoy	7​	0​
10​	DJSprtsch	3​	1​
10​	LibertineSeguros	3​	0​

Main points
As a way of backing up Spratt, Nelson + Noskova pips Doebel-Hickok, so Rufs is the new leader.

1​	Rufs	316​	3​
2​	SamuCuenca	314​	-1​
3​	Madrazo	215​	2​
4​	LukasCPH	208​	2​
5​	LosBrolin	202​	-3​
6​	Comodoro	188​	2​
7​	MuddyWaters	181​	-4​
8​	BR2	162​	-1​
9​	ArchieBoy	120​	0​
10​	LibertineSeguros	56​	0​
11​	DJSprtsch	49​	4​
12​	EvansIsTheBest	36​	-1​
13​	Alvarakas	29​	-1​
14​	AmisVelo	22​	-1​
14​	DJW	22​	-1​
16​	ArmchairCyclist	7​	0​
16​	Bminchow	7​	0​
16​	Josedin	7​	0​
16​	Ricco	7​	0​
16​	Salvarani	7​	0​
16​	Shalgo	7​	0​
22​	Leadbelly	3​	0​
23​	Del1962	0​	-1​
23​	Hfgon1	0​	-1​
23​	JonEzeitza	0​	-1​
23​	JumboVismaFan	0​	-1​
23​	PostmanHat	0​	-1​
23​	RedheadDane	0​	-1​
23​	RoteLaterne	0​	-1​
23​	Skidmark	0​	-1​
23​	SlowClimber	0​	-1​
23​	TRiley36	0​	-1​
	CollectiveWisdom	7​
	SoLastYear	0​

Before we get to Europe, there is the first edition of the Women's UAE Tour, so we should have an update tomorrow fortnight.

Spreadsheet

 

[MADRAZO]

Spratt looks like she will be a great pick. It felt illogical to pick a old rider like that after 3 bad years, but I read a article where she sounded very optimistic and said she felt like a neopro again in her new team and that the bad years were down to a lot of bad luck with injuries and so on but that she now was 100% again so due to that she was a fairly certain pick for me, and Im glad it seems not that many others read that article with her being such a rare pick I look foward to see her doing well also in the Grand Tours later on where she will now also get a more free role compared to her previous big scoring years where she rode for AVV.

 

[postmanhat]

That I'm 4th in the popularity table probably indicates most of us being not too knowledgable, but hoping to learn? Heavy bias towards CX riders, and in my case, following Zoe Backstedt and gaining a little more knowledge about Rayer and Vienke. Though both of those would have qualified just for their names.

Apart from that, it's fairly obvious ones, nationalistic interest, and current or ex-riders from the only two teams I took a shine to last year (DSM and Valcar). Which leads to my biggest omission, Kool. No idea what happened there as I'd noted her as one to watch, but I suppose that's what happens when you try to put a team together in an 90 minutes. Also pretty sure I confused Chiara Consonni with Clara Coppini, which could turn out to be an expensive mistake.

Tried to think about which riders are most likely to gain WT points, but not too successfully so far as had no one for the Austraiian races and my first victory was Mackaij on Sunday, which doesn't count.

UAE

Shackley
Consonni
Georgi
Cavalli

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Also pretty sure I confused Chiara Consonni with Clara Coppini, which could turn out to be an expensive mistake.

Consonni should at least be able to score you more points than Copponi, but whether she'll be worth the higher price is a different matter.

Some good news for your team is that Niamh Fisher-Black has been unable to go to UAE due to injury, which will make Shackley the GC hopeful at SD Worx. But the team is mainly there to try and win stages with Wiebes, so I'm not sure what to expect from the Scot.


UAE
Kristen Faulkner
Charlotte Kool
Pfeiffer Georgi
Petra Stiasny
Gaia Realini
Anne Dorthe Ysland
Tamara Dronova

 

[BR2]

What the - why do you all have so many riders? I am not yet very familiar with my team but I think I have Consonni and that's it. My women seem to be even lazier than my men. I don't know what they are doing.
Ah no, wait, I have Harvey as well. Also, Elynor might pass as Zoe and get me some points.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What the - why do you all have so many riders? I am not yet very familiar with my team but I think I have Consonni and that's it. My women seem to be even lazier than my men. I don't know what they are doing.
Ah no, wait, I have Harvey as well. Also, Elynor might pass as Zoe and get me some points.

Your riders are not all lazy. Two of them won EC medals on the track earlier today while a third finished in the top 10.