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2024 Tour de France CQ Game

If some of the teams have started announcing their eight men for the Tour, it's time for you to think about doing the same.

Real DSes need to bear in mind the contractual promises, season goals and personal foibles of their squad: you only need to make sure that the eight are all in the race and have a total CQ score (over the 12 months to Sunday 23rd June) that is no more than 4000 points .

Team principals will have goals such as stage wins, GC placings, and visibility of the sponsors: your target is to get as many CQ points as possible during the race (points for GC placing, top ten in each stage, Green and Polka Dot classification and holding the yellow jersey)

Each team will have their social media team dream up some clever ruse to reveal their selection: you just need to send me a PM by the time Stage One sets off on 29th June.

For those who don't know CQ and it's points system, you may want to take a look here. The CQ points gained by each rider over the year is in the table on the top right of that homepage, or the red number in a white box by the petrol gauge visual on each rider's page, but those numbers are liable to fluctuate. There will be (hopefully) a download on Monday 24th that will confirm those prices. But there is also a spreadsheet on Google Docs that will be has now been updated with those prices (it currently has the prices to 16/06, but anyone who scores differently in this year's national championships than last year's will see those points change). It also has the start list as currently predicted by PCS (which I'll update as I get the chance), the scale of points available, a tool for making sure you have a team that fits in the budget, and the name format that I would be grateful if you use.

The 4000 point limit has been around this game for many years: Pogacar had not been predicted at that time, and he is already priced out.
Good luck.

EDIT on 24/06: Prices are now fixed, get those teams in.
 
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there's probably still some a result from some obscure national championship missing. Better copy them all manually from the current rankings page ;)
Followed your tip: I have gone from the team pages on CQ rather than the download, which claim to have prices to 23rd, and I looked at a small sample of riders and the NC points are there.

So
I declare the game open!
 
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the CQ download is available as well now, so here is the start list with cq values.

edit: All teams confirmed now

Team Visma | Lease a Bike Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team
VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas
2486​
GALL Felix
742​
LEMMEN Bart
472​
PETERS Nans
122​
BENOOT Tiesj
769​
GODON Dorian
535​
JORGENSON Matteo
1144​
NAESEN Oliver
386​
LAPORTE Christophe
555​
BENNETT Sam
577​
TRATNIK Jan
523​
PRODHOMME Nicolas
275​
VAN AERT Wout
1522​
LAPEIRA Paul
641​
KELDERMAN Wilco
339​
ARMIRAIL Bruno
338​
7810
3616
Alpecin - Deceuninck Arkéa - B&B Hotels
PHILIPSEN Jasper
2211​
DEMARE Arnaud
469​
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
1746​
VAUQUELIN Kévin
629​
RICKAERT Jonas
47​
RODRIGUEZ MARTIN Cristian
429​
LAURANCE Axel
491​
MOZZATO Luca
822​
VERMEERSCH Gianni
435​
MCLAY Daniel
120​
GHYS Robbe
10​
GARCIA PIERNA Raul
290​
DILLIER Silvan
63​
CHAMPOUSSIN Clément
298​
KRAGH ANDERSEN Søren
381​
CAPIOT Amaury
299​
5384
3356
Astana Qazaqstan Team Bahrain - Victorious
CAVENDISH Mark
130​
MOHORIC Matej
1223​
MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael
41​
POELS Wout
695​
BALLERINI Davide
52​
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello
1177​
BOL Cees
225​
BAUHAUS Phil
387​
FEDOROV Yevgeniy
157​
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
587​
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
254​
HAIG Jack
177​
GAZZOLI Michele
116​
WRIGHT Fred
148​
LUTSENKO Alexey
578​
ARNDT Nikias
61​
1553
4455
Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe Cofidis
HINDLEY Jai
755​
COQUARD Bryan
563​
VLASOV Aleksandr
1637​
MARTIN Guillaume
794​
VAN POPPEL Danny
658​
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion
538​
DENZ Nico
95​
HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus
326​
SOBRERO Matteo
260​
GESCHKE Simon
158​
ROGLIC Primoz
1732​
RENARD Alexis
133​
JUNGELS Bob
144​
ZINGLE Axel
880​
HALLER Marco
126​
ALLEGAERT Piet
138​
5407
3530
EF Education - EasyPost Groupama - FDJ
BETTIOL Alberto
1010​
GAUDU David
480​
POWLESS Neilson
419​
GENIETS Kévin
241​
HEALY Ben
667​
GREGOIRE Romain
718​
BISSEGGER Stefan
384​
KÜNG Stefan
895​
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio
689​
MARTINEZ Lenny
996​
QUINN Sean
155​
MADOUAS Valentin
841​
COSTA Rui Alberto Faria
555​
PACHER Quentin
317​
VAN DEN BERG Marijn
665​
RUSSO Clément
40​
4544
4528
INEOS Grenadiers Intermarché - Wanty
PIDCOCK Thomas
950​
MEINTJES Louis
142​
THOMAS Geraint
552​
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
768​
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
1289​
REX Laurenz
309​
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
443​
PAGE Hugo
262​
TURNER Ben
82​
TEUNISSEN Mike
507​
CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan
151​
ZIMMERMANN Georg
469​
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley
800​
GOOSSENS Kobe
68​
DE PLUS Laurens
246​
THIJSSEN Gerben
620​
4513
3145
Lidl - Trek Movistar Team
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos
140​
MAS NICOLAU Enric
740​
CICCONE Giulio
436​
LAZKANO LOPEZ Oier
503​
STUYVEN Jasper
753​
OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe Santos Simoes
206​
BERNARD Julien
183​
FORMOLO Davide
518​
PEDERSEN Mads
2084​
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander
1129​
GIBBONS Ryan
87​
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
150​
DECLERCQ Tim
66​
ROMO OLIVER Javier
171​
SKUJINS Toms
702​
MÜHLBERGER Gregor
216​
4451
3633
Soudal Quick-Step Team dsm-firmenich PostNL
EVENEPOEL Remco
2119​
BARDET Romain
807​
LANDA MEANA Mikel
805​
BARGUIL Warren
392​
VAN WILDER Ilan
919​
DEGENKOLB John
249​
VERVAEKE Louis
129​
EEKHOFF Nils
205​
HIRT Jan
339​
JAKOBSEN Fabio
303​
PEDERSEN Casper Phillip
92​
ONLEY Oscar
513​
LAMPAERT Yves
486​
VAN DEN BROEK Frank
329​
MOSCON Gianni
75​
WELTEN Bram
62​
4964
2860
Team Jayco AlUla UAE Team Emirates
GROENEWEGEN Dylan
930​
POGACAR Tadej
4190​
MEZGEC Luka
162​
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
1541​
YATES Simon
1122​
ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves
1008​
REINDERS Elmar
60​
YATES Adam
1930​
DURBRIDGE Luke
82​
SIVAKOV Pavel
666​
HARPER Chris
500​
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc
412​
JUUL JENSEN Christopher
65​
WELLENS Tim
952​
MATTHEWS Michael
691​
POLITT Nils
732​
3612
11431
Israel - Premier Tech Lotto Dstny
BOIVIN Guillaume
91​
DE LIE Arnaud
1556​
STEWART Jake
108​
CAMPENAERTS Victor
209​
FUGLSANG Jakob
162​
VAN GILS Maxim
1218​
WILLIAMS Stephen
951​
VAN MOER Brent
389​
ACKERMANN Pascal
230​
DRIZNERS Jarrad
36​
GEE Derek
354​
VANHOUCKE Harm
249​
HOULE Hugo
139​
GRIGNARD Sébastien
45​
NEILANDS Krists
152​
BEULLENS Cédric
193​
2187
3895
Uno-X Mobility TotalEnergies
CORT NIELSEN Magnus
343​
BURGAUDEAU Mathieu
374​
KULSET Johannes
152​
CRAS Steff
230​
TILLER Rasmus Fossum
554​
TURGIS Anthony
284​
EIKING Odd Christian
154​
JEGAT Jordan
338​
KRISTOFF Alexander
858​
GACHIGNARD Thomas
261​
WAERENSKJOLD Søren
884​
VERCHER Mattéo
29​
JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland
765​
DUJARDIN Sandy
323​
ABRAHAMSEN Jonas
550​
GRELLIER Fabien
26​
4260
1865
 
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there's probably still some a result from some obscure national championship missing. Better copy them all manually from the current rankings page ;)

Followed your tip: I have gone from the team pages on CQ rather than the download, which claim to have prices to 23rd, and I looked at a small sample of riders and the NC points are there.

So
I declare the game open!
So it turned out that there was "some obscure national championship missing" that made a difference between what I copied and pasted from the team pages on the CQ site and the download when it eventually arrived; Great Britain being the obscure country in question. So a slight change to the prices I earlier announced as final.
 
Insane that Pogacar alone outscores 11 of the 22 teams of 8x

And about 400p more than the entire Astana and Israel Premier Tech teams combined.
And when we had debate several years ago about whether a putative Tour Game should have a more generous budget than the Giro, which was the first of these GT games (and not run by me: I think I took over on the second or third iteration), the possibility that a rider would place himself beyond the scope of selection was unimagined.

But possibly brings an interesting twist to the game, if it turns out to be Giro-esque domination, with effectively smaller gaps in GC rewards at the (attainable) top, and removal of multiple leader's jersey bonuses.

About 50 hours to go to get your teams in, but the earlier you do so, the sooner I can check and give you a chance to make changes if necessary (over budget, too many riders, repeated riders, too few riders, riders not in the race: they have all happened before) rather than my applying a default

The default is:
I remove as few riders as possible to make the team salvageable;
If I need to remove more than one, it will be the two (or three, or...) closest together price-wise that free enough budget for a repair;
I will replace them with the most expensive allowable rider: if there is more than one rider at the relevant price, it will be the first alphabetically (UK spelling conventions)
If I need to replace more than one rider, the replacements will be selected as the riders closest together in price that come closest to the budget deficit.

If there is any eventuality that those do not cover, I will make up whatever seems to be most just at the time. Which is why it makes sense to
A) get it right the first time (the spreadsheet linked in the OP should help) and
B) Don't leave it until the last minute if you're not sure.

The most common problem is using the wrong prices: make sure you are looking at the 12-month rolling total, not the 2024 points. The aforementioned spreadsheet, or Search's table a few posts above this, should keep you right.

And one last appeal for names in the CQ format (as Search has them above and in the spreadsheet) and without other details such as price or team. It meakes it a much more efficient copy and paste job if you do that: thanks.
 
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So, 31 teams now in (I believe you have all had an acknowledgement), and no problems, or even changed minds, so far.

63 different riders have been chosen: 3 are on more than half the teams, 28 on only one.
6 different 1000 pt+ riders have been picked, one of them enough times to be on the putative Collective Wisdom team, while 16 different makeweights at <100 points are included.

But not included, so far at least, are some of our regulars, and some who are in danger of slipping out of the 4 seasons game:
@18-Valve. (pithy) , @bminchow @Devil's Elbow, @Kazistuta , @laarsland , @Mellow Velo , @postmanhat , @Riverside @rote_laterne2 @Googolplex @Laurens147 @sam6 @JOSEDIN @Shakes @Harad

But that's not intended to exclude any new, less regular, or returning players: the more the merrier.
 
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