30,000 Swedes dope

[Robert5091]

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar-sig

5 years ago the Government's investigater Gerhard Larsson said 10,000 Swedes used steroids etc regularly. A new report says it's now more like 30,000.
This includes athletes of all levels, bodybuilders and people wanting to look muscular and violent, criminal gang types.
Another 10,000 are occasional users. There are only 9 million in all of Sweden.

http://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/kampen-mot-doping-gar-att-vinna/ D_ick Pound gets interviewed too - partly Swedish, partly English. Ben Johnson lied straight to his face and more!

 

[blackcat]

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar-sig

5 years ago the Government's investigater Gerhard Larsson said 10,000 Swedes used steroids etc regularly. A new report says it's now more like 30,000.
This includes athletes of all levels, bodybuilders and people wanting to look muscular and violent, criminal gang types.
Another 10,000 are occasional users. There are only 9 million in all of Sweden.

http://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/kampen-mot-doping-gar-att-vinna/ D_ick Pound gets interviewed too - partly Swedish, partly English. Ben Johnson lied straight to his face and more!

the thing that the new transmission methods for PEDs make them more palatable and acceptable, there is not the preconceived ethical jump when a "steroid" has been de-comissioned and defused in name, and that new peptides that work by stimulating your own pituitary, are called either peptides, or supplements, or amino-acids (ok, some will no doubt correct me and tell me that much of the old gear and old roids went straight to the pituitary and worked via similar biochemical pathway)... but the peptides when they are just one drop of a pipette(yeah there were oral 'roids too) and the transdermal method is just a one nickel or one quarter size swatch of cream onto the skin and massaging it into the.... skin... where the cream will then be absorbed with the biochemical matter to go into the bloodstream and hit and spike ur pituitary in ur brain or near ur brain stem or wherever it is...

very easy to just rub in this cream like a female might use a nightly moisturiser, or daily moisturiser in the morning... same thing. And the fitness wear and instagram craze sweeping the world for the hipsters... the ladies do the peptides as much as the men.

And yes, Floyd and his 2000s ilk placed the testo patch on the nads for the recovery testosterone spike overnight and this was a transdermal method of old skool peds innit? yep

#lululemon

caveat: Robert509 but you aint comparing like-to-like. ceteris paribus

if it was, there was a methological error in sampling and measurement.

 

[Robert5091]

Well. it must be a problem here in Sweden as the National Health Service has it's own special center for people with doping related problems - see https://www.regionorebrolan.se/dopningsmottagningen
And more and more women are seeking care.

 

[sniper]

Interesting.

With guys like Astrand, Ekblom and (to a lesser extent) Saltin, Sweden have quite a pioneering history of doping. Especially blood doping. Has anybody ever looked into that history?
Robert, do you know of any Swedish publications reviewing that doping history?

American physiologists were 'shopping' in Sweden in the 60s, 70s and 80s in search of new methods.

Swedish (and Finnish) physiologists were also at the forefront when EPO came on the scene, btw.

 

[BullsFan22]

30000? For a country as small as Sweden that seems pretty significant to me.

 

[Catwhoorg]

For comparison Estimates for UK users reach as high as a million

http://news.sky.com/story/1403431/one-million-britons-may-use-steroids-regularly

The hard number in that article is 2.5 million doses of steroids seized in 2014 (up 70% year on year)

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar-sig

5 years ago the Government's investigater Gerhard Larsson said 10,000 Swedes used steroids etc regularly. A new report says it's now more like 30,000.
This includes athletes of all levels, bodybuilders and people wanting to look muscular and violent, criminal gang types.
Another 10,000 are occasional users. There are only 9 million in all of Sweden.

http://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/kampen-mot-doping-gar-att-vinna/ D_ick Pound gets interviewed too - partly Swedish, partly English. Ben Johnson lied straight to his face and more!

What did Ben Johnson lie to him about?

 

[Anaconda]

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar-sig

5 years ago the Government's investigater Gerhard Larsson said 10,000 Swedes used steroids etc regularly. A new report says it's now more like 30,000.
This includes athletes of all levels, bodybuilders and people wanting to look muscular and violent, criminal gang types.
Another 10,000 are occasional users. There are only 9 million in all of Sweden.

http://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/kampen-mot-doping-gar-att-vinna/ D_ick Pound gets interviewed too - partly Swedish, partly English. Ben Johnson lied straight to his face and more!

What did Ben Johnson lie to him about?

I guess that right after his positive test in Seoul, Big Ben said he was not on anything.

Nonetheless as despite the rumor mill Pound never asked Ben about drugs before, how history repeats itself....

"The inquiry witnessed the testimony of our highest ranking IOC official, Richard Pound, the IOC VP. When questioned why he did not ask Ben Johnson if he took steroids, following numerous rumors and allegations, he stated, "as a lawyer I felt I was better off not knowing"

http://journals.humankinetics.com/AcuCustom/Sitename/Documents/DocumentItem/06_Moriarty_2(1).pdf

Good retrospective read the Dubin report is. Said it like it is: all were to blame. Guess that's what happens with real a independent inquiry.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar-sig

5 years ago the Government's investigater Gerhard Larsson said 10,000 Swedes used steroids etc regularly. A new report says it's now more like 30,000.
This includes athletes of all levels, bodybuilders and people wanting to look muscular and violent, criminal gang types.
Another 10,000 are occasional users. There are only 9 million in all of Sweden.

http://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/kampen-mot-doping-gar-att-vinna/ D_ick Pound gets interviewed too - partly Swedish, partly English. Ben Johnson lied straight to his face and more!

What did Ben Johnson lie to him about?

I guess that right after his positive test in Seoul, Big Ben said he was not on anything.

Nonetheless as despite the rumor mill Pound never asked Ben about drugs before, how history repeats itself....

"The inquiry witnessed the testimony of our highest ranking IOC official, Richard Pound, the IOC VP. When questioned why he did not ask Ben Johnson if he took steroids, following numerous rumors and allegations, he stated, "as a lawyer I felt I was better off not knowing"

http://journals.humankinetics.com/AcuCustom/Sitename/Documents/DocumentItem/06_Moriarty_2(1).pdf

Good retrospective read the Dubin report is. Said it like it is: all were to blame. Guess that's what happens with real a independent inquiry.

I imagine the conversation between Ben and Richard to have been something like this:

Richard: Ben, you gotta be honest with me here, did you knowingly take drugs to help you win the 100m the other day?

Ben: No.

Richard: Well, good enough for me! Thanks for your honesty Ben! Have a nice day and sorry to bother you.

Ben: Thank you. Have a safe flight to Montreal.

 

[beatthatrat]

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar-sig

5 years ago the Government's investigater Gerhard Larsson said 10,000 Swedes used steroids etc regularly. A new report says it's now more like 30,000.
This includes athletes of all levels, bodybuilders and people wanting to look muscular and violent, criminal gang types.
Another 10,000 are occasional users. There are only 9 million in all of Sweden.

http://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/kampen-mot-doping-gar-att-vinna/ D_ick Pound gets interviewed too - partly Swedish, partly English. Ben Johnson lied straight to his face and more!

What did Ben Johnson lie to him about?

I guess that right after his positive test in Seoul, Big Ben said he was not on anything.

Nonetheless as despite the rumor mill Pound never asked Ben about drugs before, how history repeats itself....

"The inquiry witnessed the testimony of our highest ranking IOC official, Richard Pound, the IOC VP. When questioned why he did not ask Ben Johnson if he took steroids, following numerous rumors and allegations, he stated, "as a lawyer I felt I was better off not knowing"

http://journals.humankinetics.com/AcuCustom/Sitename/Documents/DocumentItem/06_Moriarty_2(1).pdf

Good retrospective read the Dubin report is. Said it like it is: all were to blame. Guess that's what happens with real a independent inquiry.

I imagine the conversation between Ben and Richard to have been something like this:

Richard: Ben, you gotta be honest with me here, did you knowingly take drugs to help you win the 100m the other day?

Ben: No.

Richard: Well, good enough for me! Thanks for your honesty Ben! Have a nice day and sorry to bother you.

Ben: Thank you. Have a safe flight to Montreal.

Johnson has admitted that he already had a positive covered up in 1986 ...
Richard might be a bit "one-eyed" when it comes to his countryman.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Only pussies need steroids to have a nice body.

There's nothing like a good diet, a healthy lifestyle and hard work in the gym.

 

[BullsFan22]

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar-sig

5 years ago the Government's investigater Gerhard Larsson said 10,000 Swedes used steroids etc regularly. A new report says it's now more like 30,000.
This includes athletes of all levels, bodybuilders and people wanting to look muscular and violent, criminal gang types.
Another 10,000 are occasional users. There are only 9 million in all of Sweden.

http://www.svt.se/sport/artikel/kampen-mot-doping-gar-att-vinna/ D_ick Pound gets interviewed too - partly Swedish, partly English. Ben Johnson lied straight to his face and more!

What did Ben Johnson lie to him about?

I guess that right after his positive test in Seoul, Big Ben said he was not on anything.

Nonetheless as despite the rumor mill Pound never asked Ben about drugs before, how history repeats itself....

"The inquiry witnessed the testimony of our highest ranking IOC official, Richard Pound, the IOC VP. When questioned why he did not ask Ben Johnson if he took steroids, following numerous rumors and allegations, he stated, "as a lawyer I felt I was better off not knowing"

http://journals.humankinetics.com/AcuCustom/Sitename/Documents/DocumentItem/06_Moriarty_2(1).pdf

Good retrospective read the Dubin report is. Said it like it is: all were to blame. Guess that's what happens with real a independent inquiry.

I imagine the conversation between Ben and Richard to have been something like this:

Richard: Ben, you gotta be honest with me here, did you knowingly take drugs to help you win the 100m the other day?

Ben: No.

Richard: Well, good enough for me! Thanks for your honesty Ben! Have a nice day and sorry to bother you.

Ben: Thank you. Have a safe flight to Montreal.

Johnson has admitted that he already had a positive covered up in 1986 ...
Richard might be a bit "one-eyed" when it comes to his countryman.

To be fair to Johnson, he was made a scapegoat in Seoul.

 

[Dr.Guess]

Re:

Interesting.

With guys like Astrand, Ekblom and (to a lesser extent) Saltin, Sweden have quite a pioneering history of doping. Especially blood doping. Has anybody ever looked into that history?
Robert, do you know of any Swedish publications reviewing that doping history?

American physiologists were 'shopping' in Sweden in the 60s, 70s and 80s in search of new methods.

Swedish (and Finnish) physiologists were also at the forefront when EPO came on the scene, btw.

Check out this when the baby is older ill get back to the Gunde- Hunt. http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/R068.pdf

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

30000? For a country as small as Sweden that seems pretty significant to me.

30.000 is nothing. ever been to a gym? 90% use steroids. these are all amateurs.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

30000? For a country as small as Sweden that seems pretty significant to me.

30.000 is nothing. ever been to a gym? 90% use steroids. these are all amateurs.

What kind of gyms do you go to?

 

[jmdirt]

This goes along with things I have posted in the past about people being hypocrites. Americans, Swedes, and probably many others, are phama addicts, but they still complain about "dopers' in sports.

 

[Robert5091]

In the video, Pound says he said to the Canadians he would not defend Ben Johnson if he was guilty. So he took Johnson to his hotel, looked him in the eye and said "are you on anything?" Johnson replied No.
Pound says he's a lot more cynical now (!)
(as an aside, six of the eight finalists of the 100-meter race tested positive for banned drugs or were implicated in a drug scandal at some point in their careers)

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

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Check out this when the baby is older ill get back to the Gunde- Hunt. http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/R068.pdf

cheers boet!
This Birgelund guy's double (Swedish-American) affiliation struck me as interesting.
Recall in this regard Saltin co-authoring a paper with USOC's David Costill, and Ekblom with USOC's Ed Burke.
These collaborations are of course nothing out of the ordinary, but they underline the 'cross fertilization' of techniques that i suspect was going on at the time, especially wrt blood boosting.

edit: agree with Ryo that 30.000 is not a spectacular number. Strikes me as an underestimation.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

30000? For a country as small as Sweden that seems pretty significant to me.

30.000 is nothing. ever been to a gym? 90% use steroids. these are all amateurs.

What kind of gyms do you go to?

I don't go to gyms but I've been there. I've done mma for over 10 years and also fought in the ring and was a mma-teacher and I also did powerlifting (always at home). many people used steroids, especially in gyms and trying to get better physiques. I can assure you in every serious gym at least 80-90% of the people use steroids. I couldn't count on any hands how many I've seen.

not for me though. I haven't trained in a few years and I'm still as big as I was (with a little fat). I like to think because I never used them and built up slowly and besides I was too lazy for steroids. you need to train hard to get result. not for me, I was only interested in strenght for mma and was blessed with my normal build. I also stopped powerlifting a very long time ago when I noticed I barely lost any strenght when not training.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Well then I probably go to a non-serious gym.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

or nobody tells you

 

[hrotha]

All those petite middle aged women at my gym are hella suspicious.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I never heard of regular woman using it. and I find it doubtful considering you only gain mass with it

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Re:

or nobody tells you

If most guys around me are using steroids, I don't wanna know how skinny they looked like before using them.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

or nobody tells you

If most guys around me are using steroids, I don't wanna know how skinny they looked like before using them.

many look skinny even with steroids. it's pathetic really. in the end it's 90% your personal build that dictates how you look. here on tv they had a whole item with a tv reporter using steroids for 6 months to see what it does. he trained like a maniac, ate like a maniac (I suppose) and he was still skinny as hell

it depends largely on where you are, you are in portugal. everyone is skinny there. I used to do mma in north-east of the netherlands. people are gigantic there. average 1.90. but in mma they were about 195-205 and between 100-135 kg. and all without steroids except one who was the most giantic but he stopped using steroids and only became bigger. I'll never forget when I first set foot in that dojo and saw them. monsters