62% Hematocrit

[amp300]

Came across this on the LR forums .

That's a tad high.
Supposedly from an Argentinian runner trying to meet her B or A standard for London. Mr. 60 percent just met his future wife.

Anyone see a higher one before?

edit:could a mod please edit my atrocious spelling of hematocrit ?

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's not clear to me what the date stamp is on the document, but she just got second at an Iaaf event 'South American Championships'

"Argentinean Rosa Godoy was second (at 10000m) with 32:51.10, her second NR of the event, after the one she had set on Thursday at 5000m (15:43.36)."

http://www.iaaf.org/news/newsid=60258.html

More false negatives I guess..

 

[spalco]

It's not clear to me what the date stamp is on the document

May 20th 2011 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Benotti69]

It's not clear to me what the date stamp is on the document, but she just got second at an Iaaf event 'South American Championships'

"Argentinean Rosa Godoy was second (at 10000m) with 32:51.10, her second NR of the event, after the one she had set on Thursday at 5000m (15:43.36)."

http://www.iaaf.org/news/newsid=60258.html

More false negatives I guess..

H.C.Nº 19-03-82 i guess is her birthday which would make her 29 years old.

 

[hrotha]

Still doesn't beat Alessandro Nista's alleged 63%. Nice try, though. Keep on the hard work and the needles, Rosa!

 

[Race Radio]

This is very dangerous for a woman as their Hct's average 2-4 points lower then a mans. I think the limit is 48 instead of 50

When Genevieve Jeanson hit 54% at the Worlds one of her teammates told me the testers came into talk with the manager and their words were not that she tested positive but that they were concerned for her health and wanted to get her to a hospital ASAP

 

[MrRoboto]

Hehe. This woman must fear falling asleep.

 

[ProfTournesol]

She must be so grateful that she chose to run rather than compete on a bike. I'm sure that she'll have a long and uncontroversial athletic career

 

[laziali]

Still doesn't beat Alessandro Nista's alleged 63%. Nice try, though. Keep on the hard work and the needles, Rosa!

And Sandro was only the third keeper for Parma

 

[Le breton]

Came across this on the LR forums .

That's a tad high.
Supposedly from an Argentinian runner trying to meet her B or A standard for London. Mr. 60 percent just met his future wife.

Anyone see a higher one before?

Really like your title with the added r : Hermatocrit

62% still below the highest Hct recorded without doping. (Bernardo ? hovered around 70% on Everest. Bernardo is the first Bolivian to reach Everest. He hardly used the oxygen bottle as he found it to be a nuisance. He suffers from chronic Monge disease)

 

[luckyboy]

Bernardo Guarachi

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Came across this on the LR forums .

That's a tad high.
Supposedly from an Argentinian runner trying to meet her B or A standard for London. Mr. 60 percent just met his future wife.

Anyone see a higher one before?

Actually according to d'Hondt, Mr. 60% highest recorded HCT was 64%:

He claimed that Riis had a particularly high hematocrit, caused by the use of EPO. During the Tour de France 1996, which the Dane won, "Riis had a hematocrit of 64 at one time during the Tour,"

 

[amp300]

Really like your title with the added r : Hermatocrit

62% still below the highest Hct recorded without doping. (Bernardo ? hovered around 70% on Everest. Bernardo is the first Bolivian to reach Everest. He hardly used the oxygen bottle as he found it to be a nuisance. He suffers from chronic Monge disease)

Haha, whoops. My nurse mother would not be proud if she saw that spelling mistake!

I had not heard of this climber before, that is really interesting! Thanks for sharing I'll have to check that out.

 

[amp300]

Actually according to d'Hondt, Mr. 60% highest recorded HCT was 64%:

Thanks for the link, had not read that either. I should update this to Mr. 64 percent.

 

[Le breton]

Haha, whoops. My nurse mother would not be proud if she saw that spelling mistake!

I had not heard of this climber before, that is really interesting! Thanks for sharing I'll have to check that out.

Always ready to share a smile
I liked your mistake, found it rather cute.

For a number of years now Monge disease has been known as Chronic mountain syndrome (CMS) - as opposed to acute mountain syndrome.

I guess that when I lived 60 hours a week at 5 200 m a.s.l. and 108 hours at 3500 m. my Hct must have hovered in the neighbourhood of 55-60%.

Guarachi is the normal spelling of his (Bernardo) last name. Drs Zubieta (father and son) studied his case.

 

[Berzin]

Thanks for the link, had not read that either. I should update this to Mr. 64 percent.

Riis' hematocrit was never above 56%. This is just another stupid rumor that people with no proof love spewing about on the internet.

 

[Lanark]

Riis' hematocrit was never above 56%. This is just another stupid rumor that people with no proof love spewing about on the internet.

Depends on what you think is proof. We don't have an official lab result showing his hematocrit was above 60 (obviously), but as far as I know, not a single thing that De Hondt claimed has been disproven, I think his account of Riis telling him hematocrit was 64% is reliable. Maybe not enough proof for a solid court case, but it's a lot more than just a stupid rumour.

 

[Escarabajo]

Actually according to d'Hondt, Mr. 60's% highest recorded HCT was 64%:

I fixed that for you then.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Riis' hematocrit was never above 56%. This is just another stupid rumor that people with no proof love spewing about on the internet.

Berzin - can you show us your 'proof' that Riis "hematocrit was never above 56%" as you claim.
As I linked what d'Hondt said (because I remembered someone getting their knickers in a twist over it.)

 

[frenchfry]

This is very dangerous for a woman as their Hct's average 2-4 points lower then a mans. I think the limit is 48 instead of 50

When Genevieve Jeanson hit 54% at the Worlds one of her teammates told me the testers came into talk with the manager and their words were not that she tested positive but that they were concerned for her health and wanted to get her to a hospital ASAP

Ah, the story of Geneviève Jeanson, should be compulsory reading for those who enter the clinic. Classic dope, deny. Sleeping in altitude tents that didn't exist, never seen EPO in her life - all the typical lies. Proof that intensive doping dramatically improves performance.

After she confessed to doping since she was 16, she talked about how she was scared for her life when she couldn't sleep because her heart was beating so hard because her blood was thick as molasses.

Here is one of the best interviews I have seen with a confessed doper (sorry it's in French):

http://veloptimum.net/courses/athletes/Jeanson/7/Enquete27sept.html

Alain Gravel : Auriez-vous pu gagner sans EPO ? (Could you have won without EPO?)

Geneviève Jeanson : Aucune idée. Je le sais pas. (I have no idea, I don't know.)

Alain Gravel : Est-ce que vous avez eu peur ? (Were you ever scared?)

Geneviève Jeanson : Oui. J’avais peur. J’avais peur tout l’temps. (Yes I was scared. I was scared all the time.)

Alain Gravel : Vous aviez peur à quoi ? (What were you scared of?)

Geneviève Jeanson : J’avais peur de mourir. J’vais peur de m’endormir et de pu jamais me réveiller (I was scared of dying. I was scared of going to sleep and never waking up.)

Geneviève Jeanson : Des fois j’étais couchée, j’essayais de m’endormir, mon coeur y battait pas vite, mais c’était tellement puissant que ça me donnait un coup dans l’estomac. J’étais pas capable de dormir. Fallait que je me lève. J’étais pas capable de dormir. C’était comme si j’avais une massue : BOUM. Je sentais mon cœur : Pow. Je l’entendais quasiment. Quand j’étais concentrée, je le sentais pomper. Je le savais quand c’était trop haut, mes pulsations montaient pas. Je le savais. (Sometimes when I was in bed, trying to sleep, my heart wasn't beating fast but it was beating so hard that it was hitting me in the stomach. Impossible to sleep. I had to get up, still couldn't sleep. I was like I had a hammer : BOOM. I felt my heart: POW. I could even hear it. If I concentrated, I could feel it pumping. I knew that when it was too high, my heart rate wouldn't increase. I knew it.)

 

[hrotha]

Berzin - can you show us your 'proof' that Riis "hematocrit was never above 56%" as you claim.
As I linked what d'Hondt said (because I remembered someone getting their knickers in a twist over it.)

If I'm not mistaken, the 56% figure comes from Ferrari's Gewiss files and it's about the only 100% confirmed figure we have. It's pretty adventurous to say he never surpassed that figure at Telekom, especially since it was just a snapshot of a particular moment in a particular year for Gewiss.

 

[Granville57]

Ah, the story of Geneviève Jeanson, should be compulsory reading for those who enter the clinic. Classic dope, deny.

Ain't that the truth!
Btw, thanks for that translation.


Classic lies from 2006
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2006/interviews/?id=genevieve_jeanson

Jeanson continued, "And all the media, all the crap that was written, it never got to me. I have good friends and family that supported me. They were the ones I was more worried about, because inside I knew I did nothing wrong. I knew I didn't deserve all that bull****, but I was more concerned with the Jeanson name being trashed in the newspapers. I was ashamed for my parents and family, but not for me. I knew it was all lies."

Then quite a different tune a year later
http://velonews.competitor.com/2007/09/news/jeanson-admits-to-doping_13360

 

[Escarabajo]

If I'm not mistaken, the 56% figure comes from Ferrari's Gewiss files and it's about the only 100% confirmed figure we have. It's pretty adventurous to say he never surpassed that figure at Telekom, especially since it was just a snapshot of a particular moment in a particular year for Gewiss.

In other words means nothing.

What do I believe?

a- Riis never came close to 60% even though he beat all the Festina dopers who always were at about 55% " y Punto".
b- He was around 60% or higher in order to push the bigger gear in Hautacam and dust everybody including the doped to the gills and more talented "Ulle"

Let me think!

 

[hfer07]

why some folks are amazed by this? Athletes born, raised & trained in regions on high altitude, such as Bolivia, Colombia, Chile, Argentina, Peru and pretty much on the Andes mountains- average between 55 & 60 % Hct "naturally acquired". the problem here becomes how the other aspects of fitness work around that value-for example- muscle density/mass isn't developed easily at high altitude-whereas bone structure is more compacted & stiffer than the folks close to sea level.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If I'm not mistaken, the 56% figure comes from Ferrari's Gewiss files and it's about the only 100% confirmed figure we have. It's pretty adventurous to say he never surpassed that figure at Telekom, especially since it was just a snapshot of a particular moment in a particular year for Gewiss.

I know it comes from Riis's time at Gewiss which were made public in 1999 - I was wondering how Berzin was adamant that Riis did not exceed that figure.

Maybe it is this quote from the linked article.......

"Those aren't my numbers - Anybody can come with a piece of paper. I don't even remember having my blood tested on the rest day of the 1995 Tour. Of course I have never used EPO."