A question about doping in the UK

[nevada]

Does anyone on here have knowledge of doping in the UK racing scene through the last decade ? It seems to have avoided any real doping issues.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Edit: forgot what forum I was on there, thinking I wasn't on a cycling specific forum.

Doping was rampant amongst team GB in the last Olympics, main explanation for the increased medal haul.

Police tend to turn a blind eye to it here, I know of a police officer who is on gear himself and others who let steroids go free but are completely disgusted by weed (not pro either myself).

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Brits don't dope.

Never tested positive.
Most tested athletes in history.
You're all a bunch of bone idle ****s

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

We have special rounder wheels as well.

 

[horsinabout]

Does anyone on here have knowledge of doping in the UK racing scene through the last decade ? It seems to have avoided any real doping issues.

Yes strange old thing that...its called hypocracy.

I can give a few observations if you like. One being miss Pendelton's change in body shape, her increased forehead and cheek bone size, Oh and that rather unflattering Urticaria allergy rash on the podium at London Olympics. Not to mention the receeding hairline probably fixed through hair extension for the Pantene Pro V adverts.

 

[ultimobici]

Doping was rampant amongst team GB in the last Olympics, main explanation for the increased medal haul.

Nothing to do with a longer established set-up than any other nation in track cycling? More funding, more indoor training facilities than most to boot?

Police tend to turn a blind eye to it here, I know of a police officer who is on gear himself and others who let steroids go free but are completely disgusted by weed (not pro either myself).

Bullocks!

 

[del1962]

Does anyone on here have knowledge of doping in the UK racing scene through the last decade ? It seems to have avoided any real doping issues.

I suggest you start by visiting thissite

 

[bobbins]

Does anyone on here have knowledge of doping in the UK racing scene through the last decade ? It seems to have avoided any real doping issues.

Word was that some of the top riders in the mid 90s were on EPO, didn't seem to do them much good though.

Rumours of a positive at the nationals in the early 90s

Stories of riders based in france being popped with EPO in the trunk of their car.

Various positives from overseas back then. Ref Jamie Alberts being busted. There were others also involved in this by all accounts.

Missed OOC controls being wiped so thus avoid the 3 strikes penalty is also rumoured

Things are kept quiet over in the UK.

 

[del1962]

Word was that some of the top riders in the mid 90s were on EPO, didn't seem to do them much good though.

Rumours of a positive at the nationals in the early 90s

Stories of riders based in france being popped with EPO in the trunk of their car.

Various positives from overseas back then. Ref Jamie Alberts being busted. There were others also involved in this by all accounts.

Missed OOC controls being wiped so thus avoid the 3 strikes penalty is also rumoured

Things are kept quiet over in the UK.

You mean like David Millar, of course no on in the UK knows of his case, kept quiet at pain of death for anyone in her majesties realm

EDIT : Had to color name out, in case of punishment

 

[coinneach]

Was there not a case of epo abuse in 11 or 12....some lowly rider suddenly improved (but still didn't win anything)...apparently stood out like a sore thumb.

 

[del1962]

Edit: forgot what forum I was on there, thinking I wasn't on a cycling specific forum.

Doping was rampant amongst team GB in the last Olympics, main explanation for the increased medal haul.

Police tend to turn a blind eye to it here, I know of a police officer who is on gear himself and others who let steroids go free but are completely disgusted by weed (not pro either myself).

YOU mean like these plods

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Bullocks!

You can't vouch for every single police officer and either can I, all I know is that I know a few police officers who turn a blind eye to class C (steroids) at my gym and one who I heavily suspect is on.

When has the UK FDA ever busted anyone for PEDs? Compared to the doping in Australian sports scandal, French police raids during the tour, Novitszky investigations, the UK are completely impotent in this regard.

 

[del1962]

You can't vouch for every single police officer and either can I, all I know is that I know a few police officers who turn a blind eye to class C (steroids) at my gym and one who I heavily suspect is on.

When has the UK FDA ever busted anyone for PEDs? Compared to the doping in Australian sports scandal, French police raids during the tour, Novitszky investigations, the UK are completely impotent in this regard.

Who are the UK FDA?

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Who are the UK FDA?

Well in America they have the food drug administration, I don't know how the police force is broken down exactly in the UK but however it is they are doing a crappy job of shutting down the PED market.

Steroids are supposed to be illegal yet are as difficult to get a hold of as protein shake.

 

[del1962]

Well in America they have the food drug administration, I don't know how the police force is broken down exactly in the UK but however it is they are doing a crappy job of shutting down the PED market.

Steroids are supposed to be illegal yet are as difficult to get a hold of as protein shake.

Just from UK FDA it sounded like you are'nt from these sceptred isles, anyway I gave you a link to the plods busting a steroid supplier, also if you go on the UKAD website and read their reports you will find a list of people busted.

I must say we tend not to use the jawline method in our justice system, we are more into credible evidence that he/she has a dopers jaw, but we kind of have an innocent until proven guilty justice system, which seems to have worked fine, with a few exceptions like having an Irish accent in a pub in Birmingham in the seventies.

 

[ultimobici]

Well in America they have the food drug administration, I don't know how the police force is broken down exactly in the UK but however it is they are doing a crappy job of shutting down the PED market.

Steroids are supposed to be illegal yet are as difficult to get a hold of as protein shake.

We try to keep food & drugs separate in the UK. I take it from your woefully misinformed comments about the UK that you don't live here, or have only recently arrived?

It isn't perfect, but then what country is?

As for the medal haul, compare a few country's facilities
USA - 2 Indoor tracks (one derelict)
Italy - One indoor track
France - One indoor track
Holland - 3 indoor tracks
UK - 4 indoor tracks (one more in construction)

That's a big advantage, especially when two of those existing tracks are acknowledged as among the best in the world.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

We try to keep food & drugs separate in the UK. I take it from your woefully misinformed comments about the UK that you don't live here, or have only recently arrived?

.

I've lived in the UK since I was born, I'm 24 now and I've found at all the gyms that I've ever been to like Fitness First, Esporta or Virgin active its been obvious that if you talk to some of the dodgier personal trainers they'll be able to hook you up with steroids without much trouble.

 

[thehog]

Only French and Italian's dope. They can do it, get caught and come back as heros.

 

[Le breton]

We try to keep food & drugs separate in the UK. I take it from your woefully misinformed comments about the UK that you don't live here, or have only recently arrived?

It isn't perfect, but then what country is?

As for the medal haul, compare a few country's facilities
USA - 2 Indoor tracks (one derelict)
Italy - One indoor track
France - One indoor track
Holland - 3 indoor tracks
UK - 4 indoor tracks (one more in construction)

That's a big advantage, especially when two of those existing tracks are acknowledged as among the best in the world.

France - One indoor track

Let's see : Bordeaux, Grenoble, Paris (INS, Cipale?, Bercy, Vincennes?), Roubaix, Hyères (partially covered), others?

I'm curious to know your criteria.

 

[JimmyFingers]

We do it more than the Swiss, but less than the Aussies

 

[del1962]

Only French and Italian's dope. They can do it, get caught and come back as heros.

Hoggie

I know about Pantani, but was Virenque also a hero?

 

[ultimobici]

I've lived in the UK since I was born, I'm 24 now and I've found at all the gyms that I've ever been to like Fitness First, Esporta or Virgin active its been obvious that if you talk to some of the dodgier personal trainers they'll be able to hook you up with steroids without much trouble.

Well, with your attitude to the members of the GB team, I suggest you pop down to Gatwick, Heathrow or Stanstead and emigrate, leaving your passport at departures. Tar the whole lot of them with the same brush because they won more than other countries.

Nothing wrong with questioning the success, but your blanket condemnation is a low blow.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Was there not a case of epo abuse in 11 or 12....some lowly rider suddenly improved (but still didn't win anything)...apparently stood out like a sore thumb.

Dan Staite. There was a thread on it once upon a time. Apparently he went from being a part-time rider on a second-tier amateur team to soloing across to a break with several guys from Endura and Rapha in it, then blasting half of them away on the front or something stupid like that.

 

[ultimobici]

France - One indoor track

Let's see : Bordeaux, Grenoble, Paris (INS, Cipale?, Bercy, Vincennes?), Roubaix, Hyères (partially covered), others?

I'm curious to know your criteria.

Whoops! Was going on the French comments about training facilities around the olympics. But the point I was making still holds true. Britain has a disproportionate high number of indoor training facilities compared to other countries. France may have several indoor tracks, but according to the ones you cite all but two of the indoor ones you cite are in Paris. Not really that great a set-up for a country with such a long cycling history relative to the UK?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Dan Staite. There was a thread on it once upon a time. Apparently he went from being a part-time rider on a second-tier amateur team to soloing across to a break with several guys from Endura and Rapha in it, then blasting half of them away on the front or something stupid like that.

I thought he was talking about Chris Froome.

Anyway, doping does not take place in the UK. You only have to look at the Brits who have been caught doping.

Chambers- forced into it by the evil Yanks
Christie- Jamaican
Rusedski- Canadian
Dettori_Italian
Millar- forced into it by the evil European doping culture
Simpson-doesn't count because you can't talk ill of the dead.

So basically, the only Brits to be exposed as drug cheats either weren't really British at all or they were forced into it by Johnny Foreigner.