after yesterday it's clear "safety" argument is complete bs!

[Ryo Hazuki]

all I heard were teamorders and "come on"

Liars

 

[L'arriviste]

all I heard were teamorders and "come on"

Liars

I agree. Own goal by the team managers. And lots of fun for the viewers!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Then again, it shows removing the ears won't have any effect.

Most of the time the team ds just said "be in front, come on guys". or "bring leader in front" and at the end "we ride for 3rd place"/garmin...

 

[auscyclefan94]

Seriously, what an epic fail.

 

[BM1979]

all I heard were teamorders and "come on"

Liars

Did you expect anything different though?

 

[BM1979]

Then again, it shows removing the ears won't have any effect.

Most of the time the team ds just said "be in front, come on guys". or "bring leader in front" and at the end "we ride for 3rd place"/garmin...

Or he is just too strong ten times , or in laymans terms get stuffed he is not riding with him

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Did you expect anything different though?

no but I hope they now see themselves what hypocrite liars they are and uci is right in every way they try to prevent these radio's from now on.

 

[Astana1]

Since I don't think it makes a difference whether they have them or not I think they should have them. Keep in mind the TV producer only let us see what they thought would be interesting. All of the safety and admin stuff that happens on the radio could have been omitted.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Since I don't think it makes a difference whether they have them or not I think they should have them. Keep in mind the TV producer only let us see what they thought would be interesting. All of the safety and admin stuff that happens on the radio could have been omitted.

they were showing them pretty often and all I heard was tatics. If they were talking about safety then it must of been a big coincidence that we didn't see them used.

 

[BM1979]

Since I don't think it makes a difference whether they have them or not I think they should have them. Keep in mind the TV producer only let us see what they thought would be interesting. All of the safety and admin stuff that happens on the radio could have been omitted.

While i agree that probably did happen in the Tv Coverage i look at the situation where Farah was willing to ride and was directed not too.

If you were a company thinking about getting in the game ,who knew nothing about cycling, you would just sit there and think what a corrupt sport it is , there is no positive spin you can put on it from a fans or sponsors perspective IMO

 

[El Imbatido]

cobblestoned to appear and defend DS's everywhere in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...........

 

[Anonymous]

Since I don't think it makes a difference whether they have them or not I think they should have them. Keep in mind the TV producer only let us see what they thought would be interesting. All of the safety and admin stuff that happens on the radio could have been omitted.

Thats very true.

And there was at least one lot where we heard them telling the riders what was coming up over the next few kilometres (wasnt really safety related, more just youve got a kilometre, then a left turn, then a climb)

 

[Astana1]

While i agree that probably did happen in the Tv Coverage i look at the situation where Farah was willing to ride and was directed not too.

If you were a company thinking about getting in the game ,who knew nothing about cycling, you would just sit there and think what a corrupt sport it is , there is no positive spin you can put on it from a fans or sponsors perspective IMO

Seems to me that the only groups of people who care are the UCI and some of the hardest of the hard core bike geeks such as us.

I don't think the sponsors care at all. Cycling is what it is, and the use of radios in racing is so arcane that the mainstream weekend viewers that the sponsors are targeting probably don't give a damn.

 

[BM1979]

Seems to me that the only groups of people who care are the UCI and some of the hardest of the hard core bike geeks such as us.

I don't think the sponsors care at all. Cycling is what it is, and the use of radios in racing is so arcane that the mainstream weekend viewers that the sponsors are targeting probably don't give a damn.

Im more talking bout attracting new sponsors and New Fans , i personally dont like their use but i can live with it. If you are going to have cameras and microphones in the teams cars though its not a good look for the sport with the way it would be perceived by casual observers of the sport.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I don't get this: "The tv producer only let us see what he thought would be interesting." argument.
I thought these were live links, in which case no one knew what the DSs were about to come out with..........a bit risque, imo.

 

[Astana1]

I think that the casual observers of the sport might find the sport more intriguing with radios. If the sport can be made more popular and marketable with radios through it's portrayal on TV then the sponsors will be attracted to the sport for the exposure.

A good producer/director can stitch together a great telecast using the action on the road and the direction coming from the team car. The team car, the mechanics and the strategy become part of the narrative. It would be sort of like how the story is told in motorsport or even golf.

 

[Astana1]

I don't get this: "The tv producer only let us see what he thought would be interesting." argument.
I thought these were live links, in which case no one knew what the DSs were about to come out with..........a bit risque, imo.

I'm not sure how truly live they were. If a DS said something interesting and it failed to make the telecast because of commercials or something else, I am certain that the producer would not miss the opportunity to replay it. It's pretty simple really. Sometimes what they were saying was pretty boring actually.

But I'm glad they caught the bit about JV telling his riders to stop working and ride for the bunch sprint. It certainly helps paint the picture.

 

[Flamin]

all I heard were teamorders and "come on"

Liars

The TV-directors made a selection of what they would show to the viewers. Things like 'there is a roundabout within 2k' were left out, I guess.

 

[Barrus]

I'm not sure how truly live they were. If a DS said something interesting and it failed to make the telecast because of commercials or something else, I am certain that the producer would not miss the opportunity to replay it. It's pretty simple really. Sometimes what they were saying was pretty boring actually.

But I'm glad they caught the bit about JV telling his riders to stop working and ride for the bunch sprint. It certainly helps paint the picture.

Well there were no commercials in the original broadcast, so no problem was made of that. But the commentators specifically stated that it was not live just to ensure that there would be no corruption of the manner in which the race went.

 

[Astana1]

Well there were no commercials in the original broadcast, so no problem was made of that. But the commentators specifically stated that it was not live just to ensure that there would be no corruption of the manner in which the race went.

I live in Germany and watched on Eurosport 2 in German, so I have no idea what the announcers were saying half the time because my German is pretty poor. And we had commercials, that Sidi commercial is even worse than Farrar/Transistions commercial.

 

[roundabout]

Sporza broadcast

 

[sublimit]

I dont know how the following cars would be able to relay safety information anyway. 'Look out for the pothole!' Oh hang on they just hit it...

Vaughters needs to talk in code next time to not make himself look an idiot.

 

[veganrob]

cobblestoned to appear and defend DS's everywhere in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...........

That's because he's fallen and hit his head a few times too many

 

[Stingray34]

The teams' argument that radios are needed for safety has always been a false one. The UCI first began talking about banning them back in 2004 because they are expressly unsafe: riders are distracted by an voice appearing suddenly in their ear, fumbling with cables, taking hands of the bar to press mic buttons, etc.

Don't forget, Kivilev died because he had both of his hands behind his back fiddling with his transmitter when he crashed and hit his head.

That said, I'm actually on the fence about a radio ban. One the one hand, it makes the racing more exciting by having riders rely on their own wits, on the other, radios are an efficient way to communicate flats, etc.

If they were to stay, the public broadcast/in-car cam aspect would be a good compromise..

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

While i agree that probably did happen in the Tv Coverage i look at the situation where Farah was willing to ride and was directed not too.

If you were a company thinking about getting in the game ,who knew nothing about cycling, you would just sit there and think what a corrupt sport it is , there is no positive spin you can put on it from a fans or sponsors perspective IMO

Only if the fans or sponsors are completely ignorant.

Telling Farrar not to ride was a completely correct attempt to optimise Farrar's chances of winning, and therefore the team's chances of winning. With Farrar, their last rider with any legs, saving himself there was a very slim chance of a sprint victory. With Farrar spending energy in the chase, assisting teams which had many more riders in the bunch, they wouldn't even have that slim chance.

I can understand people getting annoyed and confused at the time. It wasn't clear to the viewer that only Farrar and Hushovd were still with the main group and that Hushovd was about to get dropped. But still whining about it now is just stupid.

There are many things to criticise Vaughters for, but this was something he made the right call on and every other DS would have done the same.

As far as radios are concerned, I'd still prefer to get rid of them, although I'd allow a single common channel available to all riders communicating safety issues and safety issues only. If they don't get rid of them though, I do actually quite like the in car excerpts.