Agostini's letter

[hiero2]

Surprised there isn't already a convo on this one:

Agostini gives up on cycling in letter over doping suspension

So, what's the dope, ooops, I mean scoop, on this one? Innocent as claimed? Or just trying to push the envelope?

Clobetasol (propionate)- one of the two primary ingredients - is a corticosteroid. The other primary ingredient is neomycin - no boost there.

 

[Netserk]

Surprised there isn't already a convo on this one:

There is.

 

[hiero2]

There is.

Ok, I didn't find it when I looked. So call me blind, I don't care - just don't forget to call me for dinner.

So, where is it?

 

[Cyivel]

Ok, I didn't find it when I looked. So call me blind, I don't care - just don't forget to call me for dinner.

So, where is it?

Cannondale thread.

Although there isn't much conversation going on.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Surprised there isn't already a convo on this one:

Agostini gives up on cycling in letter over doping suspension

So, what's the dope, ooops, I mean scoop, on this one? Innocent as claimed? Or just trying to push the envelope?

Clobetasol (propionate)- one of the two primary ingredients - is a corticosteroid. The other primary ingredient is neomycin - no boost there.

He'll make a lot more money writing fiction novels. Seems like he has the skills.....

 

[hiero2]

He'll make a lot more money writing fiction novels. Seems like he has the skills.....

Ok - What you say is assuming he is not being honest. So, let me ask you this - what if he is being honest? Telling the truth as far as he knows it?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What is that for a kind of drug?
I guess something like a cough medicine...
The anti doping fight is a joke. Less than 1% positives, and if they come up with something it´s crap like cough medicine. What a waste of money. They better use it for some true anti doping, get their acts together and look for blood transfusion and gene manipulation tests that actually work. WTF if someone takes something that improves his performance by 0.000001 %
BTW, I understand that guy Agostini, I am on his side...

 

[hrotha]

There are a couple of points in the letter that strike me as either incomplete or insincere, and as such I don't trust Agostini too much. He uses a lot of words but fails to mention a proper TUE. Did he not have one? Because if he didn't, then he can't blame anyone but himself.

 

[hiero2]

There are a couple of points in the letter that strike me as either incomplete or insincere, and as such I don't trust Agostini too much. He uses a lot of words but fails to mention a proper TUE. Did he not have one? Because if he didn't, then he can't blame anyone but himself.

Since he rather repeats the point that his topical treatment was doctor prescribed, I'm not sure how to regard your TUE thought.

As for a "couple of points" being incomplete, or insincere? How many people in the Clinic write clearly, or communicate well? Communicating so well that you are not misunderstood, and so that your points are taken, AS YOU INTENDED THEM, is not just a skill, nor even an art --- it is magic, magic of the highest degree. It is a confluence of skill, experience, luck, and talent - and of the condition of the readership population - so convoluted and so hard to define that it might as well be magic.

So if he misses a little here or there? Don't mean poop, in my mind. Mr. Natural would have used a different noun.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Still, the guy gets suspended for using a cream longer than Di Luca after getting popped for CERA (having been part of a previous scandal too)

 

[hrotha]

Since he rather repeats the point that his topical treatment was doctor prescribed, I'm not sure how to regard your TUE thought.

A TUE is something you must request to the UCI, not to any doctor:
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI2/layout.asp?MenuId=MTU2ODY&LangId=1

If the medication which you need to treat an illness or medical condition is included in the Prohibited List, you must apply for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) if you wish to take the medication. After the UCI Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee has reviewed the application, you may be given authorization to take the needed medicine.

As for a "couple of points" being incomplete, or insincere? How many people in the Clinic write clearly, or communicate well? (...)
So if he misses a little here or there? Don't mean poop, in my mind. Mr. Natural would have used a different noun.

There's a difference between not being eloquent (and in this case I suspect a lot was lost in translation, too) and using arguments like "can't dope with creams!", as if there wasn't precedent of riders using creams as a cover for doping through other means.

 

[hiero2]

A TUE is something you must request to the UCI, not to any doctor:
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI2/layout.asp?MenuId=MTU2ODY&LangId=1


There's a difference between not being eloquent (and in this case I suspect a lot was lost in translation, too) and using arguments like "can't dope with creams!", as if there wasn't precedent of riders using creams as a cover for doping through other means.

Ok then. Re the TUE, your point is made, and I see how it (negatively) affects Agostini's arguments. If one were an active racer, or a pro, one would be expected to be aware of this TUE requirement. And, pleading ignorance of same has long been disregarded by the authorities as a valid argument.

And, yeah, I can see the point that his arguments may be somewhat disingenous. But, overall, imo, the tone of the letter, to me, is believable. It does not sound, to me, like the guy is covering up or diverting.

Be that as it may, I will still put my faith in our anti-doping system and people. Since they are all we have at the moment. And, until they are proven incompetent . . . yada, yada.

Thanks;
H

 

[biokemguy]

I'd hazard a guess the TUE process is way too slow for rash treatment.

Anybody know for sure?

Having dealt with nasty things like poison oak, I always wonder how riders
are supposed to get the go ahead for treatment before they lose a week of training due to the rash.

I'd guess if he would have lied about the treatment, it would have never been detected and he'd still be racing.

 

[thehog]

Surprised there isn't already a convo on this one:

Agostini gives up on cycling in letter over doping suspension

So, what's the dope, ooops, I mean scoop, on this one? Innocent as claimed? Or just trying to push the envelope?

Clobetasol (propionate)- one of the two primary ingredients - is a corticosteroid. The other primary ingredient is neomycin - no boost there.

And you just think. The Garmin riders and Rogers. How does this happen in the Cookson independent anti-doping era?

Stooge comes to mind.

 

[Netserk]

And you just think. The Garmin riders and Rogers. How does this happen in the Cookson independent anti-doping era?

Stooge comes to mind.

Nice to see you back hog!

 

[thehog]

Nice to see you back hog!

Thank-you.

How Cookson talked about cameras on bikes whist I was gone? For the 900th time? (Cookson that is, not my ban).