Alpe d'Huez 2006 / Landis vs Pantani

[the3verB]

i have recently reviewed the stage of Alpe d'Huez in the Tour 2006, and i wonder one thing : Did Floyd have the possiblility to beat the time of the Pirate this day??

the record is 36'50. In 2006 Landis put a 38'36 but he was just training. He wanted Pereiro to keep the yellow and just suck easily kloden wheel. He was so easy during the ascension, accelerating, deceleration, just playing with the others contenders.

I think if he had done it full gaz, he could put a sub 38' easily and maybe a sub 37'.

it was a clinic performance of course, but amazing!!

 

[will10]

i have recently reviewed the stage of Alpe d'Huez in the Tour 2006, and i wonder one thing : Did Floyd have the possiblility to beat the time of the Pirate this day??

the record is 36'50. In 2006 Landis put a 38'36 but he was just training. He wanted Pereiro to keep the yellow and just suck easily kloden wheel. He was so easy during the ascension, accelerating, deceleration, just playing with the others contenders.

I think if he had done it full gaz, he could put a sub 38' easily and maybe a sub 37'.

it was a clinic performance of course, but amazing!!

Not a chance.

 

[just some guy]

Not a chance.

Quoted for the truth

 

[jens_attacks]

that was floyd's style though just like now this is rolland style.it is creepy because it looks like they don't need any oxygen at all but i really doubt that they don't feel the pain all over the body and that they aren't at the limit

we'll never know but i don't think landis could have done that day better than armstrong in 2001,38:01...


pantani's time i doubt it will be ever beaten,only contador can do it but until now he went full-gas just on two climbs,verbier and etna.pantani stormed every climb he rode on

 

[The Hitch]

that was floyd's style though just like now this is rolland style.it is creepy because it looks like they don't need any oxygen at all but i really doubt that they don't feel the pain all over the body and that they aren't at the limit

we'll never know but i don't think landis could have done that day better than armstrong in 2001,38:01...


pantani's time i doubt it will be ever beaten,only contador can do it but until now he went full-gas just on two climbs,verbier and etna.pantani stormed every climb he rode on

Platea de beile was pretty impressive too. a 24 year old beating all 3 of Armstrongs times up the moumtain and not mugh slower than pantani whose stage finished 100m lowe. also grossglockner only that he took it a bit easier at the end to let Rujano get the stage

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

How do we keep this out of the Clinic?

It was a clinical performance in more ways than one.

And yeah, not a chance.

 

[jens_attacks]

Platea de beile was pretty impressive too. a 24 year old beating all 3 of Armstrongs times up the moumtain and not mugh slower than pantani whose stage finished 100m lowe. also grossglockner only that he took it a bit easier at the end to let Rujano get the stage

it was impressive indeed.difficult to compare though.the finish in '98 was actually at the same elevation but just 50 m less short,5-7 seconds difference i'd say in the favour of contador-rasmussen.also pantani's ascent was one of the poorest by him

 

[the3verB]

that was floyd's style though just like now this is rolland style.it is creepy because it looks like they don't need any oxygen at all but i really doubt that they don't feel the pain all over the body and that they aren't at the limit

we'll never know but i don't think landis could have done that day better than armstrong in 2001,38:01...


pantani's time i doubt it will be ever beaten,only contador can do it but until now he went full-gas just on two climbs,verbier and etna.pantani stormed every climb he rode on

I think Floyd could really go faster on the Alpes d Huez climb. Not forget that two days later hé attacked 130kms from the goal and win with more than 5 min over the entire field. A exploit Pantani had never be able to do.

In 2000 Marco tried to do the same thing but failed. He attacked in the col des Saisies with jaja but cracked in Joux Plane, doing the climb in more than 45min. On the other hand, Landis put the 3rd time on Joux Plane, in 36'50.

Of course, the two were over doped!

 

[McLovin]

the record is 36'50. In 2006 Landis put a 38'36 but he was just training. He wanted Pereiro to keep the yellow and just suck easily kloden wheel. He was so easy during the ascension, accelerating, deceleration, just playing with the others contenders.

You should see the next stage also. He was the same, and about 10 k to go, he shoot a Kenny.

 

[will10]

A exploit Pantani had never be able to do.

In 2000 Marco tried to do the same thing but failed.

1998 Les Deux Alpes.

 

[Fetisoff]

Hmm, so they moved the Ricco thread to the Clinic, and this one's still here? Strange.

Anyway, the answer is "No Way".

 

[issoisso]

I remember Landis being asked at the end of that stage about how easy his pedalling looked.

He replied "I've got a great poker face" and proceeded to explain just how on the limit he was.

 

[the3verB]

How do we keep this out of the Clinic?

It was a clinical performance in more ways than one.

And yeah, not a chance.

Are you the most naïve man of the Universe????

We talk about one TdF mountain stage of the past decade, its not more clinical than the mountain stages of 2011,2010,2009,..1903,...1789.

You just can t win the TdF without Clinic material!

I dont know the rider you support but he is certainly doped except if its Thomas Voeckler!

Its all except a Clinic topic!

 

[bikeguy]

You just can t win the TdF without Clinic material!

Thus any reference to the TDF will go in the Clinic...

 

[ultimobici]

1998 Les Deux Alpes.

Hear hear!
http://youtu.be/h2FQqHF8x5I
http://youtu.be/lkAlb8A5B2E
Attacked 48km out and took 9 minutes out of Ulrich, despite stopping on the descent of the Galibier to put his cape on!

 

[jens_attacks]

I think Floyd could really go faster on the Alpes d Huez climb. Not forget that two days later hé attacked 130kms from the goal and win with more than 5 min over the entire field. A exploit Pantani had never be able to do.

In 2000 Marco tried to do the same thing but failed. He attacked in the col des Saisies with jaja but cracked in Joux Plane, doing the climb in more than 45min. On the other hand, Landis put the 3rd time on Joux Plane, in 36'50.

Of course, the two were over doped!

different circumstances though.the caisse d'epargne and t-mobile screwed up big time.they soft-pedalled and let him take almost 10 minutes.epic tactical failure above all.

on the other hand,in 2000 that never happened.USPS with livingston and hamilton chased pantani until they dropped dead,pantani never had more than 2 minutes advantage i think.
landis was god that day no doubt but still it was also a big mistake by the other teams to let him take so much time.
maybe if they'd chased landis so hard right after saisies,he would have failed too like marco.we'll never know.

 

[unsheath]

Poor thread. Clinic please!

 

[The Hitch]

I remember Landis being asked at the end of that stage about how easy his pedalling looked.

He replied "I've got a great poker face" and proceeded to explain just how on the limit he was.

Man you should release a book with all the cycling quotes and facts you remember, it would be so helpful.

So many times I have had an opinion on something and you come in with a quote or fact that totaly turns it on its head (eg Gino being a *** to other riders, Frank being told off by Bjarne about not letting Sastre attack before his whining).

 

[BroDeal]

i have recently reviewed the stage of Alpe d'Huez in the Tour 2006, and i wonder one thing : Did Floyd have the possiblility to beat the time of the Pirate this day??

the record is 36'50. In 2006 Landis put a 38'36 but he was just training. He wanted Pereiro to keep the yellow and just suck easily kloden wheel. He was so easy during the ascension, accelerating, deceleration, just playing with the others contenders.

I think if he had done it full gaz, he could put a sub 38' easily and maybe a sub 37'.

it was a clinic performance of course, but amazing!!

The super hot temperatures increased his time. Drop the temp by 10F and Landis' time would fall quite a bit. It seems fairly likely that Landis could have beaten Pantani's time. Landis was crazy talented.

 

[issoisso]

Man you should release a book with all the cycling quotes and facts you remember, it would be so helpful.

So many times I have had an opinion on something and you come in with a quote or fact that totaly turns it on its head (eg Gino being a *** to other riders, Frank being told off by Bjarne about not letting Sastre attack before his whining).

I re-watched that Tour recently. At the end of that stage Landis goes on about how on the limit he was, and on the next stage he blows up completely, so naturally the quote stuck with me.

 

[lukinox]

Alpe d'Huez or not any comparison between Landis and Pantani is just blasphemy, blasphemy I tell you!! It's like comparing Jesus (Pantani) and Judas (Landis).

 

[gregrowlerson]

This appears to be a fairly illogical thread. Landis was strong that day, but I would argue that Kloden was fractionally stronger. Andreas did almost all the work, and the 2 times that Flloyd tried to break him (he broke Evans, but Kloden surged easily up to him; then when he attacked with his teammate Merckx Kloden again had no issues) he failed to do so. That's not so say that Landis was at all worried about not doing so, given that he had 2 minutes on the German and was taking time on everyone else. But didn't Pantani mostly ride solo on the Alp? And NO way that Kloden ever comes close to Pantani when the pirate was near his best (and that was Kloden's best ever career climb). So Landis no way jose also.

 

[Havetts]

Pantani somewhat rode solo up the mountain, after like 700 meters he took the front and never looked back.. Only Virenque & Ullrich could keep up, for 1 or 2 kms.

 

[greenedge]

I think Floyd could really go faster on the Alpes d Huez climb. Not forget that two days later hé attacked 130kms from the goal and win with more than 5 min over the entire field. A exploit Pantani had never be able to do.

In 2000 Marco tried to do the same thing but failed. He attacked in the col des Saisies with jaja but cracked in Joux Plane, doing the climb in more than 45min. On the other hand, Landis put the 3rd time on Joux Plane, in 36'50.

Of course, the two were over doped!

The day before the 130km break he lost 8 minutes.
And no he would not have been able to beat Pantanis' time.

 

[Race Radio]

Floyd would have crushed him..... because he is a superhero!