America, the land of the free and the "doped."

[rhubroma]

I can only say sarcastically: America, the land of the free and the "doped."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us-doping-control-burden-falls-to-race-promoters

 

[The Gnome]

because we stand for...standing...god bless amerika...

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/vubxh9/i-stand-for-standing#tab=featured

 

[Maxiton]

Bunga bunga

 

[The Gnome]

classic bungholio...

 

[peterst6906]

We should just open a "Look what's on cyclingnews home page now. Let's talk about that in the clinic!" thread.

Jeez we're a bunch of tossers (me included). Why don't we come up with some original ideas for a change (Ducks for cover) rather than regurgitating material posted by others on a site that we all read?

Seriously though - this may have originated in the US, but it applies equally in many countries (I would hazard to say most).

 

[The Gnome]

We should just open a "Look what's on cyclingnews home page now. Let's talk about that in the clinic!" thread.

Jeez we're a bunch of tossers (me included). Why don't we come up with some original ideas for a change (Ducks for cover) rather than regurgitating material posted by others on a site that we all read?

Seriously though - this may have originated in the US, but it applies equally in many countries (I would hazard to say most).

I believe this thread originated in italy...hence the humor and or irony...

 

[dadane]

I believe this thread originated in italy...hence the humor and or irony...

As did hamburgers. Italy has a lot to answer for

 

[Maxiton]

We should just open a "Look what's on cyclingnews home page now. Let's talk about that in the clinic!" thread.

Jeez we're a bunch of tossers (me included). Why don't we come up with some original ideas for a change (Ducks for cover) rather than regurgitating material posted by others on a site that we all read?

Seriously though - this may have originated in the US, but it applies equally in many countries (I would hazard to say most).

Doping did not originate in the US, far from it. This country was probably among the last to discover the efficacy of doping in cycle sport, if only because the US was among the last to discover the sport at all. Though it must be said that once we did discover it - first the sport, then the doping - we were ultimately all in, as Rhubroma's link illustrates.

It would be fair to say that the US was perhaps the first to truly professionalize, even industrialize, a doping regime - AKA Lance Armstrong and the Blue Train - but even that was largely orchestrated, and coordinated, by Europeans, in what was and still is a European sport.

It would also be fair to say that the US is the only country to have vigorously pursued such a mythic sports legend and strip him of his titles. In this as in so much else, the country shows its Janus-face.

 

[peterst6906]

Doping did not originate in the US, ...blah blah blah pointless bunch of unrelated tosh.

Show me in the original story, or even in my post, where I suggested that?

I must have missed that angle of my writing.

 

[Maxiton]

Show me in the original story, or even in my post, where I suggested that?

I must have missed that angle of my writing.

When you said

this may have originated in the US, but it applies equally in many countries (I would hazard to say most).

what were you referring to?

 

[blackcat]

Bunga bunga

is that Ruby Heartbreaker?

The 16yo Moroccan "belly dancer" <cough cough>

Goodvibes ruthy

 

[blackcat]

Doping did not originate in the US, far from it. This country was probably among the last to discover the efficacy of doping in cycle sport, if only because the US was among the last to discover the sport at all. Though it must be said that once we did discover it - first the sport, then the doping - we were ultimately all in, as Rhubroma's link illustrates.

It would be fair to say that the US was perhaps the first to truly professionalize, even industrialize, a doping regime - AKA Lance Armstrong and the Blue Train - but even that was largely orchestrated, and coordinated, by Europeans,

underestimating the Russians and the Germans. Conflating the confluence of commericalising and exploiting the sport, via leveraging doping. The East Euros, the the unified Germans, just did it for nation mythology and racial superiority.

 

[peterst6906]

When you said...
what were you referring to?

Um, well maybe (logically), the actual story.

Let's see:

Title: US Doping Control...
First sentence: Chauner calls for USA Cycling to invest in fighting doping
First paragraph: ... what the US Anti-Doping Agency called ... but US race promoter David Chauner has called for...
Second paragraph: ... organises the Philadelphia International ... including USA Cycling, pointing out flaws in the domestic anti-doping control system ... USADA ...
Third paragraph: More controls are needed in the country's [ie. USA] top events... and have joined American teams because testing is sporadic and there is now enough cash in prize lists and team contracts to make a decent, albeit modest, living."
Fourth paragraph: ... in 2012, eight American amateur riders ... of the many national championship events, ... outside the USA, but two were caught at a Gran Fondo in New York and one out of competition.

Lest I go on (only 2 paragraphs in the whole story don't contain US centric references).

Pretty straight forward where the story originated. Just takes some reading and some common sense sometimes.

 

[rhubroma]

is that Ruby Heartbreaker?

The 16yo Moroccan "belly dancer" <cough cough>

Goodvibes ruthy

Yes. She evidently was more than just a heartbreaker though.

 

[rhubroma]

Bunga bunga

I appreciate the irony. Naturally my original sarcasm was a provocation. I mean there is sublime irony in the fact that the national anti-doping federation which has just brought down the greatest doper of sport, who is also one of its own riders, has a cycling governing body that has been the most lax on doping controls, because 'foreign' to the culture for which doping has been considered a mainstream practice in the sport.

The nation that has just contributed the most to anti-doping at the juridical level, has thus also been the most remiss at the level of anti-doping within the same sport.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I can only say sarcastically: America, the land of the free and the "doped."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us-doping-control-burden-falls-to-race-promoters

Ms. Wieslo, Chauner lied to you to pretend he's not part of the problem. It's a lie of ommission, that's for sure. If I were you, I'd either pull the story or follow-up with another one that's a little tiny bit more critical of the "buy everything! Doping is another thing to buy" culture inside U.S. Cycling and USAC's efforts to promote doping.

What Chauner and every other promoter in the U.S. wants is for USA Cycling to pay the anti-doping bill for their highly ranked UCI events. It means more money to the promoter, of which a tiny sliver would actually go back into the event.

USA Cycling won't do it because it would cut into the money siphoned off to USACDF so, that's not going to happen. It helps that the guy that owns USA Cycling has a long history of running doped teams.

 

[rhubroma]

Doping did not originate in the US, far from it. This country was probably among the last to discover the efficacy of doping in cycle sport, if only because the US was among the last to discover the sport at all. Though it must be said that once we did discover it - first the sport, then the doping - we were ultimately all in, as Rhubroma's link illustrates.

It would be fair to say that the US was perhaps the first to truly professionalize, even industrialize, a doping regime - AKA Lance Armstrong and the Blue Train - but even that was largely orchestrated, and coordinated, by Europeans, in what was and still is a European sport.

It would also be fair to say that the US is the only country to have vigorously pursued such a mythic sports legend and strip him of his titles. In this as in so much else, the country shows its Janus-face.

Well evidently the entire 84 Olympic team was already on the sauce. When sport became Cold War propaganda, the US, Soviet and East German labs sought in the 60's, 70's and 80's to develop peds in an arms race to 'demonstrate' the superiority of state ideology through Olympic medals.

Cycling may have not been popular in the US back then, however, the 84 Games probably changed this discipline's pioneer innocence.

 

[rhubroma]

Ms. Wieslo, Chauner lied to you to pretend he's not part of the problem. It's a lie of ommission, that's for sure. If I were you, I'd either pull the story or follow-up with another one that's a little tiny bit more critical of the "buy everything! Doping is another thing to buy" culture inside U.S. Cycling and USAC's efforts to promote doping.

What Chauner and every other promoter in the U.S. wants is for USA Cycling to pay the anti-doping bill for their highly ranked UCI events. It means more money to the promoter, of which a tiny sliver would actually go back into the event.

USA Cycling won't do it because it would cut into the money siphoned off to USACDF so, that's not going to happen. It helps that the guy that owns USA Cycling has a long history of running doped teams.

I think my two posts between yours in part resolves some of your critical concerns. I was, admittedly, taking the story at face value with irony and sarcasm. The business conflicts of interest in sport, in the US as elsewhere, means that the stories we get from those invested in these sports at the promotional level, shouldn't be otherwise taken at face value I agree.

 

[theonlyjones]

Doping did not originate in the US, far from it. This country was probably among the last to discover the efficacy of doping in cycle sport, if only because the US was among the last to discover the sport at all.

I am under the impression that in the 1984 summer Olympics in Los Angeles quite a number of the USA team blood doped. It wasn't illegal at the time but it does show American willingness to adopt slightly suspect advantage medically when they can.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

In 1989, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the hormone, called Epogen, which remains in use today. Epogen was made by Amgen, who were funded by Thomas Weisel.

 

[blackcat]

I appreciate the irony. Naturally my original sarcasm was a provocation. I mean there is sublime irony in the fact that the national anti-doping federation which has just brought down the greatest doper of sport, who is also one of its own riders, has a cycling governing body that has been the most lax on doping controls, because 'foreign' to the culture for which doping has been considered a mainstream practice in the sport.

the testing has been captured by vested interests and commercialism. see don caitlins quotes on giving them a wide berth for supplementation at certain times, to compete on an international playing field.

The nation that has just contributed the most to anti-doping at the juridical level, has thus also been the most remiss at the level of anti-doping within the same sport.

contest this. The professional sport unions can dictate the terms.

And Weisel had captured USA Cyling their governing body