Americans don't dope

[Benotti69]

yeah we know they do. :lol:

But in case people wanted to talk about other WASP dopers, here will do.

Seth has a great view on cycling and life that he writes about in his blog

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2016/08/17/pure-as-west-virginia-snow/#comments

Pure as West Virginia snow

August 17, 2016 § 15 Comments

"Do you watch the Olamepics? You should be ashamed.

Or ignorant. You should be willfully ignorant.

Or in pharma sales. You should be in pharma sales.

A relative asked me if I thought anyone in the Olympics was clean. “Sure,” I said. “The lifeguard probably is.”

 

[Benotti69]

Re: American's don't dope

I have no substantive contribution to make (oh, aside from the fact that Gaimon is probably clean), but the apostrophe in the title is really irritating.

Can a mod please remove apostrophe in the title so cannibal can read the clinic in peace

Gaimon? Nah.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

do you mean athletes from all 35 countries that make up the American Continent.......or, those from the United Sates??

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

do you mean athletes from all 35 countries that make up the American Continent.......or, those from the United Sates??

I think we'll just keep it to USA.

 

[wrinklyvet]

I can't see the Clinicians being as entertained by this thread concering the American's or Americans (I wonder if the greengrocer's or greengrocers' apostrophe will remain) as they are by taking badly aimed pot shots in the other one. Where's the fun in it? I can't see myself joining in, even though somebody clearly anticipates some vindictive tit for tat. But I may be surprised.

By the way, there's this gem http://www.salon.com/2002/12/17/apostrophe/

 

[Benotti69]

https://twitter.com/rossiyasport/status/764950847545630721

List of USA athletes who have tested positive for doping.

 

[peloton]

Post, not poster. Simple.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

https://twitter.com/rossiyasport/status/764950847545630721

List of USA athletes who have tested positive for doping.

Can't seem to open it. How many on that list?

I am able, however, to look at the guy's tweets. He/she says they are American, yet are able to watch Russian channels/programs, and he seems to know a lot about Russia and Russian sport. Not sure if he's really American. Perhaps that's beside the point.

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

https://twitter.com/rossiyasport/status/764950847545630721

List of USA athletes who have tested positive for doping.

Can't seem to open it. How many on that list?

I am able, however, to look at the guy's tweets. He/she says they are American, yet are able to watch Russian channels/programs, and he seems to know a lot about Russia and Russian sport. Not sure if he's really American. Perhaps that's beside the point.

A little over 90.

 

[Savant12]

Re:

30 gold medals thus far at olympics.....is this a result of doping or more product

of greater investment in college system?

Mark L

Doping contributes but to what extent?

Does the program work successfully based on better doping? Or..
Does the doping work successfully based on the better program?

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

I can't see the Clinicians being as entertained by this thread concering the American's or Americans (I wonder if the greengrocer's or greengrocers' apostrophe will remain) as they are by taking badly aimed pot shots in the other one. Where's the fun in it? I can't see myself joining in, even though somebody clearly anticipates some vindictive tit for tat. But I may be surprised.

By the way, there's this gem http://www.salon.com/2002/12/17/apostrophe/

So you came here, made no attempt to address the thread title, but instead decided to use the thread as an opportunity to bait and insult certain posters, who haven't yet posted here.

<edited by mods>

 

[veganrob]

Re:

30 gold medals thus far at olympics.....is this a result of doping or more product

of greater investment in college system?

Mark L

Are you using college as substitute for university as many European posters use? If so then here in the USA, college is basically a professional system disguised as amateur. It is a fraud. It does help the public in their "oh, we are really so much better because we send our clean college athletes against their state sponsored athletes". It is a bunch of bullsh1t.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

30 gold medals thus far at olympics.....is this a result of doping or more product

of greater investment in college system?

Mark L

Greater investment in dope within the college system Is my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

 

[mike75]

I'm an American, and I don't know how much traction this topic will generate. Problem is a lot of us already know what's going on. We don't pretend to think our GT cycling superstar is clean (though we did at the time!!!), and we don't naively believe the sports we dominate in are not, at least partially, dope fueled. Maybe you'll get someone from the US defending every athletic achievement, but come on...most of us know the score.

 

[buckle]

My perception is that the American male swimmers are a little older this year. Is the college system failing to attract young white guys willing to take the needle? No agenda - just wondering.

 

[Catwhoorg]

The relay team needs to borrow some stickum from the NFL stocks.

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Re:

30 gold medals thus far at olympics.....is this a result of doping or more product

of greater investment in college system?

Mark L

Are you using college as substitute for university as many European posters use? If so then here in the USA, college is basically a professional system disguised as amateur. It is a fraud. It does help the public in their "oh, we are really so much better because we send our clean college athletes against their state sponsored athletes". It is a bunch of ******.

Let's just say that the American collegiate sports system is a professional sports system where each participant, except the athlete, is well paid.

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

30 gold medals thus far at olympics.....is this a result of doping or more product

of greater investment in college system?

Mark L

Are you using college as substitute for university as many European posters use? If so then here in the USA, college is basically a professional system disguised as amateur. It is a fraud. It does help the public in their "oh, we are really so much better because we send our clean college athletes against their state sponsored athletes". It is a bunch of ******.

Let's just say that the American collegiate sports system is a professional sports system where each participant, except the athlete, is well paid.

Certainly for the vast majority of them. Their are a few who have managed to play the system and get paid rather well for it. And more power to them.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

My perception is that the American male swimmers are a little older this year. Is the college system failing to attract young white guys willing to take the needle? No agenda - just wondering.

They are there just not able to make the qualifications yet. Hard to qualify over well established dopers when you have only been doing it for a couple of years.

 

[del1962]

Not dope related but is the American collegiate system limited to certain sports, say Athletics, American Rugby (cant call it football), Basketball and Baseball (Ice Hockey?)

 

[Cannibal72]

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Not dope related but is the American collegiate system limited to certain sports, say Athletics, American Rugby (cant call it football), Basketball and Baseball (Ice Hockey?)

Nope. Katie Ledecky, for example, is about to join Stanford's swim team, which Mays Dirado has just left.

By the way, North Carolina invented entirely fictitious programs and got teaching assistants (iirc, the whole football team were taking 'Sanskrit') to write their essays for them so their college athletes could meet the NCAA's academic eligibility standards. Clearly a principled and honest organisation. The money they receive for their athletic success leads to exploitation of students in this field (not providing an education). It will in others (doping).

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Let's just say that the American collegiate sports system is a professional sports system where each participant, except the athlete, is well paid.

contra

you get the education when even the underclass in america may not be able to afford the student loans and State university system(cost)

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Not dope related but is the American collegiate system limited to certain sports, say Athletics, American Rugby (cant call it football), Basketball and Baseball (Ice Hockey?)

Nope. Katie Ledecky, for example, is about to join Stanford's swim team, which Mays Dirado has just left.

By the way, North Carolina invented entirely fictitious programs and got teaching assistants (iirc, the whole football team were taking 'Sanskrit') to write their essays for them so their college athletes could meet the NCAA's academic eligibility standards. Clearly a principled and honest organisation. The money they receive for their athletic success leads to exploitation of students in this field (not providing an education). It will in others (doping).

but its stanford. even with the student athlete, they will still require the SAT of 1300 minimum for English and Math, and prolly a GPA of 4.0 thru highschool. The pointguard jeremy lin goes to harvard, but they aint offering athletic scholarships, think he had to pay, think he may have been offered some prestigious athletic scholarships like Berkley, but he chose to pay. I think his #1 choice was UCLA, which have some faculties of note, but they aint Berkley. Actually, I think it was Stanford that Lin was holding out for, and they offered him a walk-on but no scholarship. Obviously Stanford and Harvard are in another tier altogether.

An Australian 400metre runner Steve Soloman has a Stanford scholarship, he made the final of the 400metres in London. pre-med biochem student.

Also, gotta think how much revenue Texax horns and MU wolverines get thru their football programs, 100million? significant money.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Not dope related but is the American collegiate system limited to certain sports, say Athletics, American Rugby (cant call it football), Basketball and Baseball (Ice Hockey?)

yeah, you wont get a cycling scholarship anywhere, even Tom Danielson's alma mater Fort Lewis or Durango or wherever in Colorado. But Tommy D did kick in some cash for a quasi scholarship for a rider. There will be scholarships for lacrosse or other particularly american sports.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

30 gold medals thus far at olympics.....is this a result of doping or more product

of greater investment in college system?

Mark L

Greater investment in dope within the college system Is my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

they all dope, if it aint collegiate athletes it will be their russian competitors or their australian opponents, which then invites the question, are they cheating, and if cheating is a pre-requisite of qualfying as "dope(doping)"then, are they indeed doping? The kids get a collegiate diploma, so it aint all negatives for the student athlete.