Andrew Talansky (garmin) going vegetarian

[craig1985]

I am interested in knowing of very succesful riders in the past or present that were vegeterians. Anyone know?

By Succesful I mean GT succes. Not like DZ.

Thanks.

It's not a GT obviously, but Tjallingii came 3rd at Roubaix, which is a pretty good effort!

 

[rata de sentina]

Do we really need religion in the pro road racing forum? If it's a thread about pros/cons of vegetarianism for performance, Form & Fitness is a legit place for it, but this thread is just going nowhere...

Mods?

Amen.

As usual acf94 is just winding them up and setting off another round of proselytising. There's a proper place for trolling the vegans to get them thumping the pulpit and that's the general forum.

 

[jobiwan]

I just saw an ad on this site for "vegan-themed gear"

What timing!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Amen.

As usual acf94 is just winding them up and setting off another round of proselytising. There's a proper place for trolling the vegans to get them thumping the pulpit and that's the general forum.

I am not winding anyone up.

I can read, you said "so many" which would indicate a large amount, perhaps even a majority.

And actually, with the exception of my food (i have no problem eating meat) you wont find very much in our house that is an animal byproduct. I have a bodhran which does have a skin made from animal hide, and an african drum. Outside of that, neither of us own anything leather, suede or fur (and that includes shoes), we also dont own anything made from angora - rabbit wool - (normal wool is not cruel). We dont purchase anything tested on animals, all toiletries, cleaning products etc are guaranteed not tested (or ingredients tested either). We dont even buy pet foods from companies that do animal testing (iams, proctor and gamble etc), as well as various other companies with very bad reputations, nestle etc. We dont buy from Body Shop as their owners are renowned for animal testing. The list goes on an on. a large percentage of our clothing is fair trade, and not just "fair trade" but bought directly from sellers in india and africa (the joys of the internet).

So before you generalise based on your experiences with some fashion veggies (and your relative who may or may not be a hippocrite) get your facts straight.

edit: i stand corrected. I have gone through the whole of down stairs and in addition to my bodhran there is a traditional roman game (similar to draughts) that is in a leather drawstring bag that the wife bought me at a roman day. Frankly im surprised she bought that for me, but there you go. Two items.

Honestly, to people concerned about animal welfare, your "most vegetarians are hippocrites" comment is like saying most black americans are murderers, or most english people are stupid, or most french people smell of garlic.

So you assume a large amount is a majority? Saying many is not stereotype. Hypothetically lets say 2 million people out of a populations of 22 million people in Australia are Vegetarians. 2 million is a lot of people and the word many people could be associated with that. If you look at it as a proportion or percentage then 2 million is 9.1% or 0.0909090 of the population which doesn't seem that large.

Also many cakes, chips, chocolates and different sorts of lollies have animal by products in them from which an animal is killed yet in vegetarian restaurants will still sell those sorts of things or use those ingredients in their meals.

So what I am saying is that saying many does not equate to a stereotype. and I find that last paragraph associating a stereotype of me saying vegetarians are hypocrites with all black americans are murderers. That is taking it way too far.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Was he(she) really??

Never heard of it.

He (!) still is. Not for moral reasons; Millar just couldn't stand alle the chemical sh*t involved in industrial meat production.

 

[Archibald]

So you assume a large amount is a majority? Saying many is not stereotype. Hypothetically lets say 2 million people out of a populations of 22 million people in Australia are Vegetarians. 2 million is a lot of people and the word many people could be associated with that. If you look at it as a proportion or percentage then 2 million is 9.1% or 0.0909090 of the population which doesn't seem that large.

Also many cakes, chips, chocolates and different sorts of lollies have animal by products in them from which an animal is killed yet in vegetarian restaurants will still sell those sorts of things or use those ingredients in their meals.

So what I am saying is that saying many does not equate to a stereotype. and I find that last paragraph associating a stereotype of me saying vegetarians are hypocrites with all black americans are murderers. That is taking it way too far.

he didn't assume, he said that it indicated - was it not you who said "learn to read"??

as for hypocrites, your accusation of assumption is rich considering your own foolish assumption. You've been assuming that every person who's vegetarian or vegan is doing so for animal welfare. I know plenty of vegetarians and a few vegans - nearly all of them do it for completely different reasons...

you are stereotyping by constantly bringing up that assumption.
you also assume that items like cakes and chocolate can only be made with animal byproducts - again, wrong...

as for the comparison being "way too far", so's your 2million people relativity argument - talk about grasping at straws

give it up already

 

[auscyclefan94]

he didn't assume, he said that it indicated - was it not you who said "learn to read"??

as for hypocrites, your accusation of assumption is rich considering your own foolish assumption. You've been assuming that every person who's vegetarian or vegan is doing so for animal welfare. I know plenty of vegetarians and a few vegans - nearly all of them do it for completely different reasons...

you are stereotyping by constantly bringing up that assumption.
you also assume that items like cakes and chocolate can only be made with animal byproducts - again, wrong...

as for the comparison being "way too far", so's your 2million people relativity argument - talk about grasping at straws

give it up already

you said "so many" which would indicate a large amount, perhaps even a majority

the perhaps a majority is certainly assuming that he meant that I was saying that majority were that way. Again I never assumed or stated that every vegetarian was a hypocrite.

I never said that chcocolates can't be made without animal products but many do and the ones that don't are rare. I think you need to learn to read as you are taking what I am saying out of context.

Vegetarian Society - Fact sheet

My comparison is perfectly appropriate.

Many: 1. constituting or forming a large number; numerous: many people
Actually

2 million people is a large number though as a percentage or proportion it is not so large.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I am going to delete all my posts as I feel it is way off topic due to my posts though I still stick to my contention.

 

[Bavarianrider]

I lost all respect for him

 

[saganftw]

all my clothes were tested on animals - they didnt fit

 

[Anonymous]

I am going to delete all my posts as I feel it is way off topic due to my posts though I still stick to my contention.

So youre going to delete all your posts and leave us looking like we were arguing with ourselves?

Maybe you are deleting your posts because you realise you assumtions and generalisations were silly.

 

[Anonymous]

you also assume that items like cakes and chocolate can only be made with animal byproducts - again, wrong...

as for the comparison being "way too far", so's your 2million people relativity argument - talk about grasping at straws

give it up already

Ditto. Im struggling to find any chocolate with animal by products in it, unless you count milk, and vegetarians on the whole do drink milk, but its perfectly easy to get chocolate without cows milk in it.

And vegetarian cakes are perfectly common.

maybe its an australian v british thing. Over here, all the supermarkets sell soya milk, gluten free products, vegetarian versions of just about everything. You certainly wouldnt find a vegetarian restuarant over here selling cakes and things made from animal products, gelatin etc. They would be shut down in weeks. Maybe australia is a bit backwards as far as vegetarians go?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Maybe australia is a bit backwards as far as vegetarians go?

The last five words are extraneous.

 

[Archibald]

So youre going to delete all your posts and leave us looking like we were arguing with ourselves?

Maybe you are deleting your posts because you realise you assumtions and generalisations were silly.

naah, we've quoted him so they'll all still be there in our answers. which makes the deletions a bit petulant, but there we go...

Ditto. Im struggling to find any chocolate with animal by products in it, unless you count milk, and vegetarians on the whole do drink milk, but its perfectly easy to get chocolate without cows milk in it.

And vegetarian cakes are perfectly common.

maybe its an australian v british thing. Over here, all the supermarkets sell soya milk, gluten free products, vegetarian versions of just about everything. You certainly wouldnt find a vegetarian restuarant over here selling cakes and things made from animal products, gelatin etc. They would be shut down in weeks. Maybe australia is a bit backwards as far as vegetarians go?

chocolate is usually milk solids, milk powder and whey - all can be substituted with non-animal based products.
both soy and rice milks are available in Australia, as are some excellent vegetarian restaurants
I can't really speak for Coles/Safeway/Woolies these days as I've not been back there for some time, but they did have small sections catering for this - or you went to the wholefoods styled stores
the amount of fresh fruit n veg in Aus (both in variety and quality) far outweighs what you can find here in the UK, so it should be far easier back home to re-arrange your diet if you want or need to.

my housemate is a pastry chef and what he can do without using animal based foods is amazing.

 

[max_powers]

DZ is on the right track

PED should be the acronym for Performance Enhancing Diet!

 

[kiwimatt]

Aus is backwards in lots of things,no need to limit it to vegetarians.

 

[yourwelcome]

Aus is backwards in lots of things,no need to limit it to vegetarians.

Ha ha, I was about to post the same thing.

Reading this thread, it strikes me again that real life is the polar opposite of the stereotype of preaching vegetarians looking down on meat eaters.

 

[mr. tibbs]

Ha ha, I was about to post the same thing.

Reading this thread, it strikes me again that real life is the polar opposite of the stereotype of preaching vegetarians looking down on meat eaters.

I'm a veggie (lacto-ovarian), and I'm surprised at the flack I get from a LOT of people for being so. They're almost offended that I don't choose to eat meat, and they're compelled to ridicule me and my diet. This despite that fact that I don't advertise it, and most people I meet (Heh. Meat.) only notice it if I order a veggie burger at dinner or demur from trying the brisket that a co-worker brings to the office.

Very strange.

As for being preachy, I do my best to avoid even talking about it seriously with certain people b/c I know they're just looking for a chance to label me as such. While I'd like to actually engage them in a meaningful conversation about the social, economical, and environmental positives involved in giving up meat, I rarely do. It's just not worth the backlash, and true communication is rarely possible.

 

[briannamur5681]

People also have a tendency to forget that their eating habits are just that, mere habits. While the process of changing habits can be temporarily challenging for some people, once new habits are formed, continuing the new habits is usually very easy.

The most difficult aspect of being vegan also happens to be the most difficult aspect of life: other people. Other people can make it more difficult to be a vegan.

 

[theyoungest]

I'm a veggie (lacto-ovarian), and I'm surprised at the flack I get from a LOT of people for being so. They're almost offended that I don't choose to eat meat, and they're compelled to ridicule me and my diet. This despite that fact that I don't advertise it, and most people I meet (Heh. Meat.) only notice it if I order a veggie burger at dinner or demur from trying the brisket that a co-worker brings to the office.

Very strange.

As for being preachy, I do my best to avoid even talking about it seriously with certain people b/c I know they're just looking for a chance to label me as such. While I'd like to actually engage them in a meaningful conversation about the social, economical, and environmental positives involved in giving up meat, I rarely do. It's just not worth the backlash, and true communication is rarely possible.

+1

I have the exact same experience, I rarely start a discussion about it myself but somehow I always end up in boring conversations about vegetarianism. The workings of those conversations are indeed very funny, it's almost as if meat eaters feel guilty but take it out on you.