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Another bike hit-and-run but this time with especially insulting DA attitude

Mar 4, 2009
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Hi all,

Unjust outcomes are obviously nothing new in bike vs. car hit-and-run incidents but I can't recall one where the attitudes we all felt were in place were so publicly spoken.

Apparently the takeaway message is that it's ok for a driver to mercilessly run you down if they're rich.

http://bit.ly/9RHQgq
 
Jul 14, 2009
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James Huang said:
Hi all,

Unjust outcomes are obviously nothing new in bike vs. car hit-and-run incidents but I can't recall one where the attitudes we all felt were in place were so publicly spoken.

Apparently the takeaway message is that it's ok for a driver to mercilessly run you down if they're rich.

http://bit.ly/9RHQgq

I am in shock after reading that. I hope locals think this out and put some pressure where it is necessary
 
Oct 8, 2010
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icebreaker said:
If this carried an agreed consent judgement against the driver that could be registered in every state it would mean something. Every penny he earned for the rest of his life would be forfeit.

I suspect that no such judgement is being registered which means the cyclist is being sacrificed.

He's paying restitution as part of the plea deal, as well. Try reading the article.
 
Mar 4, 2009
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I have - several times today, in fact. Colorado law states that hit-and-run incidents like this should produce a felony charge:

http://www.deadlyroads.com/laws/colorado-hit-and-run-laws.shtml

As for restitution, if this guy is already managing $1B in client assets, he likely already isn't exactly poor. Money issue or not, what's the message here? That you can buy your way out of legal responsibility? The article clearly also states that the victim isn't exactly happy about the DA's decision.
 
Move along. Nothing to see here...

James Huang said:
Money issue or not, what's the message here? That you can buy your way out of legal responsibility?

Yes. Even if it were a slam-dunk win for the D.A., the law is not applied equally to all. A typical DA will never attempt less certain wins with heavy political baggage attached.

The big difference in this one is the victim has higher standing in society. The average hit and run victim can't afford to litigate or even engender enough public support to get the local DA's office to prosecute.

This is the essence of Capitalism. Might makes right.

You really should get out more because this is nothing special.
 
Aug 11, 2009
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I would love to know how the DA would be treating this if both parties were from New York.

Here, the victim is an out-of-town doctor while the driver is a local investment advisor with about one-and-a-half billion dollars under management--and surely some of those assets are valuable to the State of Colorado.

I can't help but wonder whether a similar investment advisor would get the book thrown at him if only he were one of those currently hated Wall Street financiers.

Either way, Erzinger is going to pay enormous damages in the inevitable civil suit against him. Hopefully there will be a punitive damages award commensurate with both the nature of his offense and his much-touted "ability to pay".

Here's a link if you want to put a face to your hate:

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2007/02/26/focus5.html
 
Oct 28, 2010
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DirtyWorks said:
You really should get out more because this is nothing special.

While I agree that this is nothing special, I hardly think that we should "move along" as there is "nothing to see here." Surely the point of posting this article is to encourage people to not move along? By moving along, we are impliedly condoning the actions of the accused. By not calling this out, it sends the message that we as a society are fine with money being more powerful than justice. Obviously, the article being posted on this forum is not going to change the world, but we shouldn't require that as a prerequisite for caring.

Might may make right, but that doesn't mean that we have to stand silent on the sidelines.
 
Jun 9, 2009
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Thanks for the post.

I found it absolutely disgusting.

As a resident of Colorado, I have found this state to be much more cyclist-friendly than the Southeast, but this article makes me wonder.

Anyone in Colorado is urged to join BicycleColorado. Membership is about $50 and the organization is building power as a lobbying group as membership improves.

Be safe.
 
May 20, 2010
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Pleading ignorance...not familiar with US law.

Under misdemeanour charges what is the likely penalty faced?
How does this likely penalty, compare with that faced under felony charges?

My belief is that if jail time is a likely outcome under felony charges then taking account of effect on employment is irrelevant. Such matters should not be considered in deciding what level of charges should be applied.

The resulting penalty applied may (and often does) take into account the impact of that penalty on various factors...including employment. This is where I believe the discretion should remain, Not on the charges leveled.

For many people, the simple loss of car licence will result in loss of employment and therefore have a devastating impact in the current economic climate. And loss of licence may result from prosecuting comparatively minor traffic offences.
 
Jul 23, 2009
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Incredible. What is that bit about all men being considered equal in the eyes of the law?

You'll have to excuse the foreigner's ignorance about the US legal system, but this makes me wonder if justice can be truly served when officials such as the DA are elected. There must be a powerful lobby group supporting men as wealthy as Erzinger. On the other hand, supporters of the system may say that it brings better accountability.
 
Jul 7, 2009
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pedaling squares said:
Incredible. What is that bit about all men being considered equal in the eyes of the law?

You'll have to excuse the foreigner's ignorance about the US legal system, but this makes me wonder if justice can be truly served when officials such as the DA are elected. There must be a powerful lobby group supporting men as wealthy as Erzinger. On the other hand, supporters of the system may say that it brings better accountability.

More often than not, it all depends upon how much justice one can afford.
 
May 8, 2009
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As European citizen to me reading these kind of news is like reading about a far away planet. What does it have to do the financial position of the guy in the legal case? What is the point of writing about a Mercedes sedan 2010?

But specially the following phrase is just undescribable: "A financial manager for wealthy clients will not face felony charges for a hit-and-run because it could jeopardize his job". The same could apply to any job as far as I am concerned. Who wants to make bussines with or contract a guy that is an offender?? The point is that he is an offender, he very well would deserve his prestige to collapse given that he abandoned a seriously injured guy in the middle of the road.

Hope he goes to jail, money is not enough.
 
Aug 11, 2009
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khardung la said:
But specially the following phrase is just undescribable: "A financial manager for wealthy clients will not face felony charges for a hit-and-run because it could jeopardize his job". The same could apply to any job as far as I am concerned.

Exactly. And, in fact, being a convicted felon does cause pretty much anyone problems in applying for a job. Many US job applications will require such information to be disclosed, and being a felon makes many people effectively unemployable. This, of course, has the most profound negative effect on people who are not at all wealthy, do not have extensive business connections, etc.

So, the argument that a felony conviction causes employment trouble certainly applies to just about everyone.
 
Nov 5, 2010
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David Suro said:
Thanks for the post.

I found it absolutely disgusting.

As a resident of Colorado, I have found this state to be much more cyclist-friendly than the Southeast, but this article makes me wonder.

Anyone in Colorado is urged to join BicycleColorado. Membership is about $50 and the organization is building power as a lobbying group as membership improves.

Be safe.

Somebody should organise a protest ride.
 
Nov 5, 2010
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khardung la said:
As European citizen to me reading these kind of news is like reading about a far away planet. What does it have to do the financial position of the guy in the legal case? What is the point of writing about a Mercedes sedan 2010?

But specially the following phrase is just undescribable: "A financial manager for wealthy clients will not face felony charges for a hit-and-run because it could jeopardize his job". The same could apply to any job as far as I am concerned. Who wants to make bussines with or contract a guy that is an offender?? The point is that he is an offender, he very well would deserve his prestige to collapse given that he abandoned a seriously injured guy in the middle of the road.

Hope he goes to jail, money is not enough.

Hear, hear!
 
Nov 5, 2010
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DirtyWorks said:
Yes. Even if it were a slam-dunk win for the D.A., the law is not applied equally to all. A typical DA will never attempt less certain wins with heavy political baggage attached.

The big difference in this one is the victim has higher standing in society. The average hit and run victim can't afford to litigate or even engender enough public support to get the local DA's office to prosecute.

This is the essence of Capitalism. Might makes right.

You really should get out more because this is nothing special.

Is this person really a cyclist? I wonder what you would be saying if it was a member of your family!

Is it any wonder, with this apathetic and pathetic attitude, that the USA is considered backwards?

Only right makes right. Might can only be right when it is good!
 
Aug 16, 2009
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50% of his total worth in restitution and 20 years in jail. That sounds about right for a hit-and-run.
 
Jan 18, 2010
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Boycott Quiznos Pro Challenge

mtbvfr said:
Somebody should organise a protest ride.

Maybe it would be more effective to organize a boycott of the Quiznos Pro Challenge until the organizers agree to remove Vail from the list of cities the race will visit.

A bike race shouldn't be held in a city that condones hit and run of cyclists.
 

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Nov 7, 2010
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Felonies vs. Misdemeanors: What's the Difference? Under Colorado Law.

Felonies

What is the punishment for a felony?
How does the "three strikes" law work?
Can a felon vote?
Felonies are typically the most serious crimes in any system of criminal law. A standard definition of a felony is any crime punishable by more than one year in prison or by death. This means that any crime that has a sentence of only a fine or confinement in the local jail is not a felony. Often the offense itself is not labeled as a felony, but the punishment tells the public that the offense is a felony. On the other hand, state codes may label a crime a "gross" or "aggravated" misdemeanor but provide for a sentence of more than one year in the state penitentiary system, thereby ensuring that the so-called misdemeanor is treated as felony in many respects.

If a crime is a felony, additional criminal procedures apply. The right to a court-appointed attorney in cases where the defendant is too poor to afford to hire a lawyer is usually triggered if the charge is a felony, but not for less-serious crimes. Likewise, whether or not a criminal defendant must be present in court for various parts of the process may depend on whether he or she is charged with a felony.

In some jurisdictions, felonies can only be charged upon a grand jury indictment, while lesser crimes can be charged by a written information. Criminal defendants and witnesses can have their testimony disregarded in some jurisdictions by showing a prior conviction for a felony but not for a lesser crime. Finally, many jurisdictions base their "three strikes" laws on felonies but not misdemeanors. If the offender has been twice convicted of a felony, one more felony conviction will subject him to life in prison.

In addition to differences in procedural criminal law, the substantive law can be affected if a crime is designated a felony. Some statutes make an accidental death a murder if it occurs in the commission of a felony, but if it occurs in the commission of a lesser crime, it is only manslaughter. Burglary is defined at common law as breaking and entering a house for the purpose of committing a felony; if the purpose was not to commit a felony the crime cannot be charged as burglary.

The crime of conspiracy may carry a harsher penalty if the offense is conspiracy to commit a felony rather than conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor. Justifiable homicide is sometimes described as a killing to prevent the commission of a felony, although more commonly it is limited to prevention of certain of the most serious felonies.

A person convicted of a felony may have more restrictions on their rights than a person convicted of a lesser crime. In many jurisdictions, felons cannot serve on juries. Often times they lose their right to vote or to practice certain professions, such as lawyer or teacher. Felons may be prohibited from owning guns or serving in the military. Some states have a "three strikes, you're out" statute which provides that a person who already has been convicted of two felonies may be sentenced to life in prison if he or she is convicted of a third felony.

Some felonies are assault in the first degree or assault that causes serious bodily injury, all degrees of murder, rape or sexual abuse in the first degree, grand theft, kidnapping, embezzlement of large amounts of money, serious drug crimes, and racketeering.

Misdemeanors

Are misdemeanors serious crimes?
What is a misdemeanor?
Misdemeanors are less-serious crimes. They are generally punishable by a fine or incarceration in the county jail for less than one year. The prosecutor does not usually convene a grand jury to investigate and charge misdemeanor offenses, although such charges can be generated along with felonies. Most misdemeanors are charged by written indictment and in many jurisdictions, poor defendants are not entitled to a court-appointed lawyer. Often, misdemeanors are handled by special courts with abbreviated procedures. For instance, the defendant may have to request and pay a fee in order to get a jury trial. Misdemeanor traffic offenses may have pre-set penalties in the form of scheduled fines.

The consequences for misdemeanor convictions are generally less severe than for felony convictions. A person with a misdemeanor crime on his record may still be able to serve on a jury, practice the professions, and vote. Serious felonies like assault and sexual abuse may have misdemeanor charges as part of the statutory scheme. For instance assault causing severe bodily injury is a felony, but simple assault which leaves no lasting injury is a misdemeanor. Likewise, rape is a felony, but lascivious acts is a misdemeanor.



But on Sept. 7, Brostrom told County Court Judge Katharine Sullivan that the case would be pleaded as a misdemeanor. That's the first time Milo or his attorneys had heard of it, Haddon wrote, and they protested “in the strongest possible terms,” Haddon wrote.

How can this case be pleaded as a misdemeanor when it is clearly a felony ?

Reckless driving causing severe bodily harm against the person. ( Hit and Run ) A felony no doubt.
 
Mar 16, 2009
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State ur opinion on the Vail hit&run! http://bit.ly/9RHQgq RT @rappstar Email Congressman Jared Polis at jared@jaredpolis.com

Traffic laws exist to motivate all drivers to act in a manner that is safe for other users of the road, including pedestrians, cyclists, and other drivers. To those of us who rely on bicycles for transportation and recreation, enforcement of laws that ensure our safety on the road is vital.

The enforcement of traffic laws should not differ depending on a driver's ability to write a check, but rather on the ability of the law to motivate drivers to drive safely. What Martin Joel Erzinger is accused of doing is clearly criminal, but dropping felony charges will set a message to drivers that the penalties for neglecting the welfare of others on the road, causing life-altering injury, and showing no concern for the victim might not be as serious as the law indicates.

While Martin Joel Erzinger would like to write a few checks and move on with his life, we must ensure that actions such as his are punished to the full extent of the law. Please do not drop felony charges against Martin Joel Erzinger.
 
Oct 25, 2010
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Yesterday, I sent a few emails to a couple of pundits at Huffington Post, mentioning it is right up their alley. Just logged into HP and they are leading with the story. I am sure many others wrote them as well. At least it is getting some more national attention.
 
Watch Out

mtbvfr said:
Is this person really a cyclist? I wonder what you would be saying if it was a member of your family!

Is it any wonder, with this apathetic and pathetic attitude, that the USA is considered backwards?

Only right makes right. Might can only be right when it is good!

Where is this paradise you live in where cyclist hit-and-runs are treated fairly? Probably not in the U.S.

Yes, I am "really" a cyclist. An older one that has been to too many cyclists funerals, where, the driver got the gentlest to the point of absurdity treatment from the appropriate California law enforcement agency. Read the article, the driver has two misdemeanor charges pending. End of story.

The number of times cases have been never opened for being "in the way" of a driver are countless. I'm not sure why you are just discovering it, but newsflash, a couple of misdemeanors is as good as it gets with sober drivers.

Might makes right. You heard it here first.
 
Nov 6, 2010
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poeticjustice

take him at his dubious word of sleep apnea and take his license way indefinitely for health/public safety reasons. He can afford a chauffeur who will drive more safely and courteously anyway.