Any clinic members ever doped?

[Gavandope]

I'm an ex roid user myself to go from a 11 stone rake to nearly 16 stone with bb, though my youth loving sprint cycling meant I could never get my arms in proportion to my calfs. Most I ever got my arms was 15.5 inch and my calves were almost 20" with 26 inch thighs at their peak. Thankfully they have shrunk a lot!

Last course I took was 97-98 ish. Took orals, injectibles, hcg and tamoxifen. Haven't touched any since and won't.

I've saw what Eprex could do first hand about 96-97 without having a clue what it was, one shot totally bury a gym instructor with a cardio challenge for a bet.

So I saw first hand what EPO could do and in much bigger doses what roids could do to my own body so I'm wondering here if any of you have experiences of Edgar in the past. Me personally I think Edgar and co should have double the bans for endurance events they are more effective in one shot than a 6 week course of 200 dianabol tablets ever did for my strength pumping iron.

JV is of course the only one I know of here but are there any more who can talk through past experience?

 

[Energy Starr]

I'm an ex roid user myself to go from a 11 stone rake to nearly 16 stone with bb, though my youth loving sprint cycling meant I could never get my arms in proportion to my calfs. Most I ever got my arms was 15.5 inch and my calves were almost 20" with 26 inch thighs at their peak. Thankfully they have shrunk a lot!

Last course I took was 97-98 ish. Took orals, injectibles, hcg and tamoxifen. Haven't touched any since and won't.

I've saw what Eprex could do first hand about 96-97 without having a clue what it was, one shot totally bury a gym instructor with a cardio challenge for a bet.

So I saw first hand what EPO could do and in much bigger doses what roids could do to my own body so I'm wondering here if any of you have experiences of Edgar in the past. Me personally I think Edgar and co should have double the bans for endurance events they are more effective in one shot than a 6 week course of 200 dianabol tablets ever did for my strength pumping iron.

JV is of course the only one I know of here but are there any more who can talk through past experience?

Awesome topic Gavandope! I'm amazed at the things people will put in their body. My girlfriend was prescribed tamoxifen after chemo and radation following breast cancer. She was supposed to take it for 5 years. She started having undesirable side effects and quit, thankfully, after 2 years. I realize this isn't the point of your topic, but when I saw that you tried that drug I was surprised that it could even possibly be considered a performance enhancer. Not only that, after learning more about ti I'm shocked that they now want post breast cancer patients to take it for 10 years. This is a drug that has some really, really undesirable side effects. Not intended to be a knock on you at all. I really appreciate the honesty you've shown. I've never taken any peds but boy have I felt like I would want to at times. Several Tuesday night **** whoopings can do that to me.

 

[Gavandope]

My missus is almost 2 years into probably a lifetime of tamoxifen, post breast C. Hot and cold flushes a side effect.

I must admit a wry smile when she was prescribed it, I took it to stop getting breasts when I took hcg post roid course to kick my balls back to life!

 

[Energy Starr]

My missus is almost 2 years into probably a lifetime of tamoxifen, post breast C. Hot and cold flushes a side effect.

I must admit a wry smile when she was prescribed it, I took it to stop getting breasts when I took hcg post roid course to kick my balls back to life!

Please you guys research the hell out of it....cause there are much worse side effects. Hope everything goes well for her!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Curious if anyone ever tried finishing bottles?

I was encouraged to try a coffee + vitamin C + panadol concoction by an old skool coach when I first started out, but never got around to it - too lazy I think haha.

It's not doping IMO, but a bit of an entry "drug".

 

[Energy Starr]

Lets see if anyone else is as honest as you....

 

[Gavandope]

Please you guys research the hell out of it....cause there are much worse side effects. Hope everything goes well for her!

There are but really depends on the type of breast cancer. My missus had a mixed type, scattered clumps not a single tumour. Thanks to the nucleic acid sequencing cos we live in the area of one of the best cancer hospitals world wide - the Marsden they strongly advised her to keep taking it to suppress oestrogen levels.

It was only performance enhancing for me so I didn't have boobs

 

[Gavandope]

Lets see if anyone else is a honest as you....

I hope so - as with any drug having a bit of experience at what it does changes your viewpoint somewhat. I felt the side effects of roids, doses that a cyclist would never remotely take. Hence why I think a bit of andriol in olive oil which a bodybuilder would laugh dosage wise compared to Edgar is like comparing a fire cracker to a truck bomb!

 

[Energy Starr]

I'm an ex roid user myself to go from a 11 stone rake to nearly 16 stone with bb, though my youth loving sprint cycling meant I could never get my arms in proportion to my calfs. Most I ever got my arms was 15.5 inch and my calves were almost 20" with 26 inch thighs at their peak. Thankfully they have shrunk a lot!

Funny, I have the opposite problem! My arms grow pretty easily but I can't get any calves and legs to save my life....not exactly ideal for a cyclist. Maybe some roids would help...jk.

 

[Gavandope]

I'm an ex roid user myself to go from a 11 stone rake to nearly 16 stone with bb, though my youth loving sprint cycling meant I could never get my arms in proportion to my calfs. Most I ever got my arms was 15.5 inch and my calves were almost 20" with 26 inch thighs at their peak. Thankfully they have shrunk a lot!

Funny, I have the opposite problem! My arms grow pretty easily but I can't get any calves and legs to save my life....not exactly ideal for a cyclist. Maybe some roids would help...jk.

I put mine down to racing other kids and grown ups for sprints on my bike around my council estate for 5-10p bets. I never forget going into a gym at my peak and the owner saying you had legs and calves that most of the 20 plus stone monsters would die for but absolute rubbish above the waist like theirs below it!

Squats with a bar as long as your back is ok to handle the weight and heavy leg presses should add mass, eating a lot of complete protein too. I hardly do them even no as I don't want my legs to get bigger, even now my calves must be over 16"

 

[SeriousSam]

What the hell is Edgar?

Only coffee and recreational drugs.

 

[Energy Starr]

What the hell is Edgar?

Only coffee and recreational drugs.

Allen Po. EPO. The biggie in cycling.

 

[Gavandope]

Curious if anyone ever tried finishing bottles?

I was encouraged to try a coffee + vitamin C + panadol concoction by an old skool coach when I first started out, but never got around to it - too lazy I think haha.

It's not doping IMO, but a bit of an entry "drug".

Never tried bottles, I only cycled as a kid and it was fun cos I was terrible at football and I could whip all my friends on two wheels in a sprint. Done plenty of bb style drinks pre and post training.

Though when I have my very high pressure massage tomorrow from my sadistic masseur from I will dope myself with ibuprofen to numb a tiny bit of the immense pain when he takes all the knots out of my feet, insteps, calves, thighs shoulders and back. My legs will be complete agony regardless, sore for days but walking on air for months!

 

[Hawkwood]

Curious if anyone ever tried finishing bottles?

I was encouraged to try a coffee + vitamin C + panadol concoction by an old skool coach when I first started out, but never got around to it - too lazy I think haha.

It's not doping IMO, but a bit of an entry "drug".

There was an early 1970s sports science book that advocated a variation on your recipe, not sure that it had the coffee. Quite legal at the time I think.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There was an early 1970s sports science book that advocated a variation on your recipe, not sure that it had the coffee. Quite legal at the time I think.

Still legal now.

 

[Gavandope]

Allen Po. EPO. The biggie in cycling.

I would not be surprised if someone has dabbled but I can understand an omertà in keeping quiet about it on here. I saw with one shot a mate who never beat his instructor absolutely trounce him for a bet. There must be more besides jv.

I have no baggage or post history to hide and prefer to be upfront and honest if I'm asked about anything in life and never hold back whether in person or on a message board - though I live in the uk and libel laws are an utter ar*e!

The whole truth however unpalatable sets you free if you tangle yourself in a web of lies and deceit. Hence why I respect those who do confess completely like Landis and Tyler did and jv can only do to an extent though I have no doubt trusted friends and loved ones have heard the whole story.

Those who don't completely on the other hand and still lie are the equivalent of something I've trodden on

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

There was that one time at a Phish concert. But I didn't inhale.

 

[TexPat]

Once---and only ONCE, while in Amsterdam I ate a piece of cake of unknown origin that made me ride one of those awesome Dutch bikes really, really fast (or, so I thought).
But, I only made it from Damrak to Vondel Park, where I later woke...three hours later.
Is this what you mean?
If not...
Back in The Day of real MTB "racing" everybody did it.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Coffee when caffeine was on the prohibited list

Some OTC medications which contain ingredients that are banned IC, that may or may not have cleared my system by the time I raced. (Decongestants).

Some OTC pain medications to manage a shoulder issue when running races.

2 would be an issue if I were a proathelete, at the level I run my 5ks and half marathons at, not so much.

 

[zebedee]

There's little commonality that I can see between narcissistic gym rats acting relatively freely, often within their own knowledge base, to abuse themselves with steroids and the situation with pro-cyclists on carefully-organised ped programmes which, as recent history tells us, are largely managed by medical doctors with more than half an eye fixed firmly on doping controls.

Chalk and cheese really.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Coffee when caffeine was on the prohibited list

When it was on the list it had a minimum threshold level. It'd have to be a lot of coffee in one sitting.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I may or may not have been above the threshold level, but as a typical lab rat I ingested significant amounts on a daily basis for years.


Still do actually.


It was more in the spirit of full declaration, I consider myself a clean amateur 'athlete'.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Never done it myself. Not building any muscle mass really, and my 15 hours a week on my bike is done without EPO (amazing I know). I Know quite a few people that has used roids form time to time though, but no large quantities.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Pseudoephedrine and Rolaids for Kilo and Sprint.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Played my best soccer match ever having a gigantic hangover from way too much beer, hashies and wine, perhaps my body doped itself that day. Adrenaline rush or something like that.

One time I took a recreational caffeine pill or two, perhaps three, never again. No finishing bottles here; slept with my eyes open for two days. Now I understand why some sportsmen are hooked on sleeping pillls...

No, never doped myself, didnt need to too, vitamine C worked just fine in those days.

As a recreational cyclist I really dont see the point in it. There are lots of methods to enhance your endurance; better nutrition, better bikes, better roads



I do kinda feel sad for people who dope though, they seem to have a low self esteem. I mean, they cannot accept the fysiologic bounderies of there own body.