Are Giro and Tour 2012 more gentle than 2011?

[rantanplan]

Some statistics talking about it:

http://plataformarecorridosciclista...l-tour-2012-mas-suaves-que-su-pasada-edicion/


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[Zam_Olyas]

Not to be a pain ...glenter?¿

 

[Havetts]

gentler.

But ofcourse they are, hard to get tougher than the 2011 Giro.

 

[rgmerk]

The riders make the race

To a large extent, if the parcours is easier, the riders will just ride harder.

 

[Caruut]

Depends who you are surely - for TTers, yes, much gentler. Climbers are gonna have to work the climbs harder and TT moderately well, which could be a struggle.

Giro 2011, as said, was a bit of a high water mark.

 

[jens_attacks]

see the 2009 tour and 1996 tour they will ride the shiit out of those beautiful watts.

to answer the question,the differences are not big,le tour keeps it itself for the big asz centenary and il giro sells the "piu humano" crap after the zomegnan hardest grand tour in the last 20 years i think.no surprise but in 2013 we're back to the usual stuff

 

[gustienordic]

Depends who you are surely - for TTers, yes, much gentler. Climbers are gonna have to work the climbs harder and TT moderately well, which could be a struggle.

Giro 2011, as said, was a bit of a high water mark.

The climbers could maybe attack more viciously since they only have a few limited opportunities. That could make things exciting... The TT kms will make it a more open race I think.

 

[Caruut]

The climbers could maybe attack more viciously since they only have a few limited opportunities. That could make things exciting... The TT kms will make it a more open race I think.

As I was scrolling down to see the newest post I read mine and thought just this. Andy this year was like me doing boring tasks. I go "there's always tomorrow to do them", and he says "there's always going to be another mountain I can attack on". Still, I prefer mountain stages to TTs by a long shot.

 

[Eshnar]

Some statistics talking about it:

http://plataformarecorridosciclista...l-tour-2012-mas-suaves-que-su-pasada-edicion/


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The 2012 Giro gives only an impression of gentleness, but it disappears once you look closely at the last week.
As for the Tour, I think it actually IS a bit gentler, but not that much.

 

[Eshnar]

http://plataformarecorridosciclista...l-tour-2012-mas-suaves-que-su-pasada-edicion/

It is a great work but...
Why had the Giro 2011 got 223.8 kms of climbing WITH Crostis, and 230.35 WITHOUT it?

 

[roundabout]

It is a great work but...
Why had the Giro 2011 got 223.8 kms of climbing WITH Crostis, and 230.35 WITHOUT it?

It's a list of 15 most difficult climbs not all of the climbs. So with Crostis not done it is substituted by Macugnaga which is the next climb on the list in terms of difficulty and is longer than Crostis.

 

[Eshnar]

It's a list of 15 most difficult climbs not all of the climbs. So with Crostis not done it is substituted by Macugnaga which is the next climb on the list in terms of difficulty and is longer than Crostis.

Oh, thanks, I didn't notice.

 

[Ferminal]

There's just as many hard stages in the 2012 Giro as this year. Mortirolo-Stelvio > Zoncolan (-Crostis). 17 and 19 not quite as hard as 15 this year, but still very difficult.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the giro next year won't be any easier than the giro this year in terms of climbing. the difference is that now you have real flat and mountainstages and not all the in between stages with hilly finishes that aren't hard but simply make little timegaps every day. also the sterrato stage next year will feature sterrato only in the climbs and not in flat and downhil

 

[Eshnar]

There's just as many hard stages in the 2012 Giro as this year. Mortirolo-Stelvio > Zoncolan (-Crostis). 17 and 19 not quite as hard as 15 this year, but still very difficult.

I'm not sure this stage 19 is easier than Gardeccia...

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Angelo's last stand was brutal but good

 

[Cobblestoned]

Weather and riders will have more influence than courses themself

 

[The Hitch]

It's a list of 15 most difficult climbs not all of the climbs. So with Crostis not done it is substituted by Macugnaga which is the next climb on the list in terms of difficulty and is longer than Crostis.

lol. Macugnaga was the 15th hardest climb of that Giro.

15th.

Even after they took out the Crostis.

WOW!!!. That shows more than any other just how hard that Giro was.

 

[roundabout]

As hard as it was the 2012 edition will be about as difficult.

In 2011

Montevergine

Etna twice

Iselberg-Glockner

Zoncolan

Piancavallo-Cibiana-Giau-Fedaia-Gardeccia

Nevegal

Mottarone-Macugnaga

Ganda

Tonale

Finestre

2012

Laceno

Joux-Cervinia

Valcava-San Pietro-Resinelli

Valparola-Duran-Staulanza-Giau

Manghen-Passo Pampeago-Lavaze-Pampeago

Tonale-Mortirolo-Stelvio


More stages with 2 big climbs and more in 2012 while smaller number of difficult stages in total

 

[airstream]

I think '12 the Giro queen stages are harder than Gardeccia. It's difficult to call Montevergine or Macugnaga a mountain stages. Yea, Macugnaga gave real gaps, but it was rather the exception to the rules.

 

[Ferminal]

From the numbers of the profile (google reconstructions give over-inflated figures):

Giro 2011 Stage 15 to Gardeccia: 229km 5768m
Giro 2012 Stage 17 to Cortina: 187km 4404m
Giro 2012 Stage 19 to Alpe di Pampeago: 197km 4897m
Giro 2012 Stage 20 to Stelvio: 218km 5697m

The Pampeago stage packs more into a shorter distance than any of the others. Without Crostis-Zoncolan, Mortirolo-Stelvio is the hardest consecutive climb combination. Although Manghen-Pampeago pass is probably just as difficult.

Looking at it again a month later the Giro route doesn't look as bad, with few sizzling stages to finish. Still though the first two weeks are so uninspiring.

 

[Eshnar]

From the numbers of the profile (google reconstructions give over-inflated figures):

Giro 2011 Stage 15 to Gardeccia: 229km 5768m
Giro 2012 Stage 17 to Cortina: 187km 4404m
Giro 2012 Stage 19 to Alpe di Pampeago: 197km 4897m
Giro 2012 Stage 20 to Stelvio: 218km 5697m

The Pampeago stage packs more into a shorter distance than any of the others. Without Crostis-Zoncolan, Mortirolo-Stelvio is the hardest consecutive climb combination. Although Manghen-Pampeago pass is probably just as difficult.

Looking at it again a month later the Giro route doesn't look as bad, with few sizzling stages to finish. Still though the first two weeks are so uninspiring.

Yes, Manghen/Pampeago is as hard as Mortirolo/Stelvio, but it doesn't have 25 kms of false flat in between. Plus, it's followed by other two climbs with a total of 10 kms of flat in the last 100 kms. Something that Gardeccia stage hadn't.

 

[The Hitch]

Yes, Manghen/Pampeago is as hard as Mortirolo/Stelvio, but it doesn't have 25 kms of false flat in between. Plus, it's followed by other two climbs with a total of 10 kms of flat in the last 100 kms. Something that Gardeccia stage hadn't.

Wow, thats great to hear you're getting me really excited for 19. But Mortirolo Stelvio will be special, even if it isnt as hard because It has probably the 2 most iconic climbs in the history of La Corsa Rosa back to back and it is the last stage for GC changes.

 

[Eshnar]

Wow, thats great to hear you're getting me really excited for 19. But Mortirolo Stelvio will be special, even if it isnt as hard because It has probably the 2 most iconic climbs in the history of La Corsa Rosa back to back and it is the last stage for GC changes.

That's for sure