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Armstrong's 09/10 blood values

The USADA letter claims that Armstrong’s blood values from 2009/10 are consistent with manipulation. This raises an obvious question: if they are so suspicious, why wasn’t he sanctioned, or at least flagged, before?

The first thing to note is that during the period of LA’s comeback UCI was in charge of the passport program. While measurements of blood parameters were often carried out in WADA-accredited laboratories, WADA ordinarily was not itself given access to these data. And this resulted in some friction between the two bodies. In August of 2010, the WSJ reported that while the passport system had flagged eight riders and begun proceedings against three of them, the UCI had not taken any action on the remaining five. WADA reacted sharply to this news:

World Anti-Doping Agency director general David Howman is quoted as saying that his organisation is now seeking access to the blood and urine profiles that are collected via the UCI’s biological passport programme. “Our job is to make sure the system isn't being sidestepped,” Howman said. “We have the right of intervening if we think cases aren't being prosecuted appropriately.”

Meanwhile, UCI president Pat McQuaid has explained that the UCI does not divulge the biological passport panel’s recommendations to WADA as it is not obliged to do so. “That's a question for WADA. They're the ones who make the rules,” McQuaid said, before reiterating his credo in cycling’s right to police itself.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-voices-concerns-on-uci-biological-passport

Ten days later, however, UCI issued a press release saying that the correct number of flagged riders was six, not eight, and that one of the remaining three had already been suspended as a result of a positive test (presumably for EPO), while they were still pursuing the other two cases. It also took pains to smooth over or minimize its differences with WADA, saying that the anti-doping organization had

"never expressed any particular concerns on this subject and has taken no measures against the UCI. WADA has received the full collaboration of the UCI each time it has requested information on specific cases (which it has the right to do and which is part of its mission)."


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-still-investigating-two-passport-cases

The correction of eight riders under review to six is interesting. I find it hard to believe the WSJ originally misheard the UCI official. One wonders if initially UCI did find eight riders suspicious, but later dropped two of them.

In any case, since that time, I believe a total of five riders have been sanctioned solely on the basis of passport abnormalities. They include Franco Pellizotti and Tadej Valdavec, who were two of the three named in the WSJ story, along with Pietro Caucchioli, Igor Astarloa, and Francisco DeBonis. The third rider mentioned in the WSJ story, Jesus Rosendo, AFAIK, escaped sanction. In addition to these five riders sanctioned solely for passport violations, at least three others--Antonio Colom, Thomas Dekker and Ricardo Serrano—tested positive for EPO, subsequent to being targeted by passport abnormalities. IOW, their blood values alone were not sufficient to sanction them, but were sufficient to justify a closer look, retesting stored samples in some cases, and this turned up positive tests that became the basis of their sanctions. This is important, because it means that values that do not trigger the criteria for a sanction may still form part of a case against a rider.

Beginning in January of this year, the passport program has been managed by Lausanne Athlete Passport Management Unit (APMU). WADA recommended this, and I believe they now have full, or at least easier, access to all passport data. including LA’s samples. This would explain why only now are they claiming abnormalities in these parameters, though it does not explain, as I noted earlier, why UCI did not.

A key figure in any hearing that might take place is likely to be Michael Ashenden. He has been closely associated with the passport program since it began in 2008, but he resigned a few months ago, because he was unwilling to sign a clause that prevented him from speaking out about it. At Contador’s CAS hearing, he claimed he had data that was consistent with blood transfusions, but was prevented from presenting all of it. AFAIK, he has been silent about the USADA claims that Armstrong’s data are also consistent with manipulation. I find this very interesting. He is obviously aware of the charge. He did speak out specifically about another charge mentioned in the USADA letter, the alleged EPO positive in 2001 that might have been covered up. I think his analysis must be the one USADA is basing their claim of manipulation on, and that he will be testifying at the hearing, assuming there is one.
 

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What is the procedure for letting the accused see the blood data?
Is it kept secret from the accused? For how long?
 
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Polish said:
What is the procedure for letting the accused see the blood data?
Is it kept secret from the accused? For how long?

Again, do your own heavy lifting. It will make you a better person.
 
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Polish said:
What is the procedure for letting the accused see the blood data?
Is it kept secret from the accused? For how long?

The accused has the date. Why is he scared to share it with the public and show his innocence?
 

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ChewbaccaD said:
Again, do your own heavy lifting. It will make you a better person.

So you do not know either. Nothing wrong with that.
Ask questions. Make mistakes. Learning process.

But there has to a procedure.
Did the USADA follow it? Doubt it.
 
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I remember this vaguely. LA released all of his data during the TdF. In the third week, his hemtocrit increased without the appropriate change in reticulocytes (immature red cells). The ratio that was calculated from this, I forget what it is called now, was a bee's you know what from being flagged by the biologic passport cutoffs. Soon after this controversy hit the internet, LA pulled his data from his website.
 
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elapid said:
I remember this vaguely. LA released all of his data during the TdF. In the third week, his hemtocrit increased without the appropriate change in reticulocytes (immature red cells). The ratio that was calculated from this, I forget what it is called now, was a bee's you know what from being flagged by the biologic passport cutoffs. Soon after this controversy hit the internet, LA pulled his data from his website.

Off Score. 2009 was very suspect, especially as it was the 3rd week of the Tour when most drop 12-15%. I made no sense

Lance should release his 2010 numbers. Wonder why he does not this? Is he afraid of something?
 
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But there has to a procedure.
Did the USADA follow it? Doubt it.

why do you doubt it? does USADA have a history of not following its procedures?
 
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So you do not know either. Nothing wrong with that.
Ask questions. Make mistakes. Learning process.

But there has to a procedure.
Did the USADA follow it? Doubt it.

Cool story bro.
 
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So you do not know either. Nothing wrong with that.
Ask questions. Make mistakes. Learning process.

But there has to a procedure.
Did the USADA follow it? Doubt it.

Burden of proof on you Polish. You make the claim you back it up.
 

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why do you doubt it? does USADA have a history of not following its procedures?

Of course they follow "their" procedures. By definition.
They make up their procedures. As they go?
 
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Polish said:
Of course they follow "their" procedures. By definition.
They make up their procedures. As they go?

I don't know. It's a good question. They definitely make up the procedures. Then again, I agreed to them. I'm guessing Lance did, too. Hard to get a license without signing a bunch of stuff.

Their website is thick and full of rules. They have pamphlets available if you don't have internet. I understand the whereabouts stuff, since it's part of my job and all. It's pretty arduous. I skipped over the "results management" part though, since I'm not doping. Maybe I'll give it a read one of these days. Should probably understand my rights better.
 
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I don't know. It's a good question. They definitely make up the procedures. Then again, I agreed to them. I'm guessing Lance did, too. Hard to get a license without signing a bunch of stuff.

Their website is thick and full of rules. They have pamphlets available if you don't have internet. I understand the whereabouts stuff, since it's part of my job and all. It's pretty arduous. I skipped over the "results management" part though, since I'm not doping. Maybe I'll give it a read one of these days. Should probably understand my rights better.

+1 A beautiful reposte and a great summary. Should be quoted widely.
 
So what about this norwegian dude in the cn article who says the results are indicative of a clean rider. does he have a point ( im not the best at understanding this ) if he.does how else.might the absence of a drop be explained.
 
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So what about this norwegian dude in the cn article who says the results are indicative of a clean rider. 1) does he have a point ( im not the best at understanding this ) if he.does 2)how else.might the absence of a drop be explained.

Can you quote the exact article Hitch?.... not sure if you actually mean Damsgaard, in which case the answers to you question would be 1) NO and 2) HE DOESN'T, but if you link the article in question I will give a fuller answer.
 
I Watch Cycling In July said:
Can you quote the exact article Hitch?.... not sure if you actually mean Damsgaard, in which case the answers to you question would be 1) NO and 2) HE DOESN'T, but if you link the article in question I will give a fuller answer.

greatking88 said:

Yes that's the article but not damsgard, this guy.

As stated earlier, Armstrong has not responded as yet. In the meantime he has been defended by the Norwegian professor Hans Erik Heier, who said that he didn’t believe an athlete with such blood levels was doping. “The hemoglobin values are too low for it to be possible to manipulate them down there,” he toldDagbladet. “I interpret this to mean that he must be clean.”