Baby Giro 2012

[Lupetto]

Giro Ciclistico d'Italia Under27
08.06. - 17.06.2012

Stage 1, Monte Urano - Tortoreto Lido, 144 km
Stage 2a, Colonella - Alba Adriatica, 76 km
Stage 2b, Giulianova - Alba Adriatica (Cronometro individuale), 12,1 km
Stage 3, Notaresco - Sora, 193 km
Stage 4, Avezzano - Monte Terminillo-Campoforogna, 168 km
Stage 5, Perugia - Gaiole in Chianti, 156 km

Rest Day

Stage 6, Greve in Chianti - Perignano, 164 km
Stage 7, Monticelli Terme - Lonato del Garda, 147 km
Stage 8, Rovereto - Passo Gavia, 168 km
Stage 9, Asiago - Asiago, 123 km

Overview, tabelle di marchia & profiles.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

from what I've heard the course is going to be insane and the colombians are sending hopefully an incredible team again. last year they didn't go, also after italian teams begged the organisers publicly in presentation to not invite them. one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen

 

[Ruudz0r]

Dombrowski!

 

[theyoungest]

Indeed, Dombrowski has to be the favourite.

 

[hrotha]

Haha, those Openrunner profiles.
But at least they're not useless exaggerated mockeries, I suppose.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

I don't think that a US team/BLS will be present there. They have never ridden that race before and I don't see why they should do it in 2012.

The big favorites are of course the Italians: Aru, Bongiorno, Cattaneo. Let's see if a Colombian team is coming.

 

[janraaskalt]

I don't think that a US team/BLS will be present there. They have never ridden that race before and I don't see why they should do it in 2012.

They are coming with a national team with Dombrowski and Warbasse.

Dombro's tweet:
http://twitter.com/JoeDombro/status/204581764717481984

Headed back to VA. Home for a week. Up next, off to Italy for the Baby Giro.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

They are coming with a national team with Dombrowski and Warbasse.

Dombro's tweet:
http://twitter.com/JoeDombro/status/204581764717481984

Headed back to VA. Home for a week. Up next, off to Italy for the Baby Giro.

Thanks, haven't seen that. But I don't think Dombrowski will be a contender for a podium spot. His May peak form will be over then.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

it all depends on the colombians that will go. if the federation make the selection it will be a colombian 1-2 again and probably whole podium. if cep are allowed to go they will "suck"

 

[Parrulo]

will the portuguese send a team?

also this course with 50k instead of 12k of time trial would be better then any1 1 week race on this year's calendar

 

[profff]

it all depends on the colombians that will go. if the federation make the selection it will be a colombian 1-2 again and probably whole podium. if cep are allowed to go they will "suck"

aru is very strong climber
he already was better than dombrowski last year in valle d' aosta
when colombian made 1-2 ( betancur.beltran) the most accredited italian climber were s locatelli (hyped in italy as you do with the colombians but not so strong) and santoro which is weaker then cattaneo and bongiorno and he is sucking since he became a pro.

colombian will find a very strong opposition.cep (chamorro and salazar probably the best ) has no chance against aru

they have to integrate the team with some of the best rider of the under 23 peloton to be real contender.

who will they choose , beltran, pantoya, jaramillo (which one of the two?), k rios, r gomez , recent winner in vuelta joventud?
i do not see any of them of the same class of betancur, maybe beltran in the mountain...,maybe s henao (is he a the same level of his uncle?), possibly gomez ...

b ramirez and ospina have been deceiving in the vuelta, bohorquez has been a surprise but there are some suspect on him ( coming from nowhere, castelblanco ds, anyway he has to confirm).

so definitely, even if there is a lot of talent in colombia, I do not see them coming and dominating as in betancur year. they have to srnfd their best team and fight.


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[greenedge]

I will say one of Aru, Dombrowski or a Colombian will win.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

aru is very strong climber
he already was better than dombrowski last year in valle d' aosta
when colombian made 1-2 ( betancur.beltran) the most accredited italian climber were s locatelli (hyped in italy as you do with the colombians but not so strong) and santoro which is weaker then cattaneo and bongiorno and he is sucking since he became a pro.

colombian will find a very strong opposition.cep (chamorro and salazar probably the best ) has no chance against aru

they have to integrate the team with some of the best rider of the under 23 peloton to be real contender.

who will they choose , beltran, pantoya, jaramillo (which one of the two?), k rios, r gomez , recent winner in vuelta joventud?
i do not see any of them of the same class of betancur, maybe beltran in the mountain...,maybe s henao (is he a the same level of his uncle?), possibly gomez ...

b ramirez and ospina have been deceiving in the vuelta, bohorquez has been a surprise but there are some suspect on him ( coming from nowhere, castelblanco ds, anyway he has to confirm).

so definitely, even if there is a lot of talent in colombia, I do not see them coming and dominating as in betancur year. they have to srnfd their best team and fight.


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cep won't go. the sponor want them to do vuelta colombia. is fed chooses a team they will be unbeatable. but probably have no money again

 

[janraaskalt]

Thanks, haven't seen that. But I don't think Dombrowski will be a contender for a podium spot. His May peak form will be over then.

He'll be in his June peak Seriously, he hasn't raced that much this season.

Regarding Aru "already" better than Dombrowski in last year's Valle d'Aosta, I think that Dombrowski has improved more than Aru.

 

[theyoungest]

it all depends on the colombians that will go. if the federation make the selection it will be a colombian 1-2 again and probably whole podium. if cep are allowed to go they will "suck"

Normally, if Dombrowski reaches his California level, the Colombians have no chance. But we'll see.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Normally, if Dombrowski reaches his California level, the Colombians have no chance. But we'll see.

lol. like you have an idea about colombians

 

[theyoungest]

lol. like you have an idea about colombians

Yeah, that Duarte kid is also pretty crap

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

He'll be in his June peak Seriously, he hasn't raced that much this season.

Regarding Aru "already" better than Dombrowski in last year's Valle d'Aosta, I think that Dombrowski has improved more than Aru.

At the Toscana Nations Cup race Aru was unstoppable (as part of an impressive Italian team, I have to admit); apart from Venezia Giulia he only did one day races since then. As Aru has his pro contract already in his pocket maybe he'll lack that last piece of ambition. But as a rider in general I see him on par with Dombrowski.

Let's see what the Italians can do at the Giro delle Pesche Nettarine (starting tomorrow), the most important preparation race for the Baby Giro.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

aru ride with palazzago, a team known to dope their riders and burn them up before they become pro. aru is no different. italian u23 cycling is the worst system for developing talent that you can find.

 

[janraaskalt]

At the Toscana Nations Cup race Aru was unstoppable (as part of an impressive Italian team, I have to admit); apart from Venezia Giulia he only did one day races since then. As Aru has his pro contract already in his pocket maybe he'll lack that last piece of ambition. But as a rider in general I see him on par with Dombrowski.

Let's see what the Italians can do at the Giro delle Pesche Nettarine (starting tomorrow), the most important preparation race for the Baby Giro.

Yes, it'll be fun to follow that race as well. Hopefully there will be 1 or 2 new names that can be in the mix for the GC. Maybe Formolo can step up. Will Bongiorno regain his old form?

I agree on Aru.

 

[janraaskalt]

aru ride with palazzago, a team known to dope their riders and burn them up before they become pro. aru is no different. italian u23 cycling is the worst system for developing talent that you can find.

Palazzago has a long history of doping & destroying talent. However, the last couple of years, the Italians have changed their mentality. The cycling federation and most of the top teams are looking for development of talent. I am confident that we will see Aru shine on pro level as well.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

nothing has changed at all in italian amateur cycling. except some teams have been heavily warned to stop doping but nobody cares about developping talent. for that you have to understand how big amateur cycling is in italy and those teams have higher budgets than many pro teams

 

[hrotha]

nothing has changed at all in italian amateur cycling. except some teams have been heavily warned to stop doping but nobody cares about developping talent. for that you have to understand how big amateur cycling is in italy and those teams have higher budgets than many pro teams

It was similar in Spain, and that's why many pro teams ended up setting up feeder amateur teams so that they could have a good idea of what the actual level of the youngsters they were promoting was. Of course, highly professional rogue teams still abound.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It was similar in Spain, and that's why many pro teams ended up setting up feeder amateur teams so that they could have a good idea of what the actual level of the youngsters they were promoting was. Of course, highly professional rogue teams still abound.

spain was the same thing but that is now at least really clean and the level is very low. but at least it gives more of an indication than italian u23

 

[janraaskalt]

nothing has changed at all in italian amateur cycling. except some teams have been heavily warned to stop doping but nobody cares about developping talent. for that you have to understand how big amateur cycling is in italy and those teams have higher budgets than many pro teams

If you see from which teams the big Italian pro teams are taking their neo pros, you know which teams are the ones that know how to develop talent---or at least not to destroy them. The rest of the amateur teams I wouldn't trust.