Better Win: Nibali 2014 TdF or Gilbert 2017 RVV

[Asero831]

Let's discuss

Nibali won 2014 TdF by more than 7 minutes and wore the maillot jaune for 19 days.
Gilbert won his 3rd monument race in a 55km solo fashion.

Which win is better?

 

[jaylew]

Easy. Tour >>> Flanders (unless you're Flemish, of course). Well, actually it depends what you mean by "better" - more impressive, more prestigious, etc..

Btw, you have to delete a poll option, save, then re-add it for the poll to work.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

This is a very important question; I'm glad that we finally have a thread to discuss this issue...

 

[StryderHells]

Who Would Win In A Fight, Jesus Or The Easter Bunny?

That's how I feel about this thread

 

[rick james]

Re:

This is a very important question; I'm glad that we finally have a thread to discuss this issue...

no it isn't, its a stupid question

 

[Volderke]

Who Would Win In A Fight, Jesus Or The Easter Bunny?

That's how I feel about this thread

If you watched South Park, you would know

ps: this topic feels like Alien vs. Predator

 

[infeXio]

Re: Re:

This is a very important question; I'm glad that we finally have a thread to discuss this issue...

no it isn't, its a stupid question

I'm guessing the "..."-part at the end of his post was a hint of sarcasm

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

By the way - better win: Davide Casarotto 2001's Rund um den Flughafen Köln-Bonn success or Gregorio Ladino smashing the 2006 edition of the Vuelta a El Salvador? You decide.

 

[Jspear]

I think it's an odd poll and question, but I'll still bite. Phil Gil's win of course. He beat good competition. Who did Nibbes beat over 3 whole weeks?

 

[Ramon Koran]

This makes no sense, comparing a overall tour win with a tour of Flanders win is ridiculous.

 

[Netserk]

I think Nibali would have been more likely to win without the crashes than Gilbert would have been without the crash on Kwaremont.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Neither of them wouldve won without those crashes, but at least Gilbert was arguably the best rider on the startlist in the first place

 

[Gigs_98]

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Neither of them wouldve won without those crashes, but at least Gilbert was arguably the best rider on the startlist in the first place

I think you are underestimating 2014 Nibali a bit. It's possible that would have been beaten but you are saying that as if thats for sure.

 

[Red Rick]

Why....

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re:

Why....

Last time I checked, discussion forums were for discussing events mentioned in the OP of a topic

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Neither of them wouldve won without those crashes, but at least Gilbert was arguably the best rider on the startlist in the first place

I think you are underestimating 2014 Nibali a bit. It's possible that would have been beaten but you are saying that as if thats for sure.

That seems to be the way to express an opinion on this forum these days :lol:

But fwiw, Contador was able to drop Nibs off his wheel on a cat 3 before crashing out. Even without a temporary alliance between Froome and Contador, the 2 mins Nibs gained on the cobbles wouldnt have lasted long on the harder stuff

 

[Mr.White]

Not comparable. Guy won 4 stages and with 7min advantage! To top that you need a Ronde/Roubaix double, no solo ride can challenge that!

 

[portugal11]

Contador would have crushed nibali in the mountains...

 

[El Pistolero]

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Not comparable. Guy won 4 stages and with 7min advantage! To top that you need a Ronde/Roubaix double, no solo ride can challenge that!

The two best riders, besides Nibali, crashed out, so it's not that surprising he won with such an advantage.

Philippe Gilbert won the Ronde van Vlaanderen with a solo of 56 km, the longest since Eddy Merckx in 1969. I'm sure Armstrong won a couple of Tours with a bigger advantage than that. So Nibali's win is more prestigious, but Gilbert's win is more impressive.

Tour de France > 2 wins in the Ronde van Vlaanderen (just barely)
3 wins in the Ronde van Vlaanderen (shared record holder) >> Tour de France

That's how I rank the races in general.

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

Neither of them wouldve won without those crashes, but at least Gilbert was arguably the best rider on the startlist in the first place

I think you are underestimating 2014 Nibali a bit. It's possible that would have been beaten but you are saying that as if thats for sure.

That seems to be the way to express an opinion on this forum these days :lol:

But fwiw, Contador was able to drop Nibs off his wheel on a cat 3 before crashing out. Even without a temporary alliance between Froome and Contador, the 2 mins Nibs gained on the cobbles wouldnt have lasted long on the harder stuff

Nibali has always been better on longer climbs than sorter climbs. The times he put in Risoul and Hautacam (especially this one) were more than enough to stay with Bertie and 2013 Froome.

 

[Red Rick]

Let me put it like this.

The Ronde 2017 is a big what if

The 2014 Tour is the biggest what if I can remember

 

[Mr.White]

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Not comparable. Guy won 4 stages and with 7min advantage! To top that you need a Ronde/Roubaix double, no solo ride can challenge that!

The two best riders, besides Nibali, crashed out, so it's not that surprising he won with such an advantage.

Philippe Gilbert won the Ronde van Vlaanderen with a solo of 56 km, the longest since Eddy Merckx in 1969. I'm sure Armstrong won a couple of Tours with a bigger advantage than that. So Nibali's win is more prestigious, but Gilbert's win is more impressive.

Tour de France > 2 wins in the Ronde van Vlaanderen (just barely)
3 wins in the Ronde van Vlaanderen (shared record holder) >> Tour de France

That's how I rank the races in general.

But basically we agree, which is some sort of a miracle :razz:

 

[DBotero]

Nibali 2014 TDF.His numbers in that race were insane,Froome level.He would have won it even with Froome/Contador still there.I don't think Gilbert would have won it without the crashes.

 

[Squire]

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Let me put it like this.

The Ronde 2017 is a big what if

The 2014 Tour is the biggest what if I can remember

You obviously don't remember the 2006 & 2007 Tours then. Or Steven Bradbury.

This topic is no discussion. Nibali absolutely decimated the Tour de f*****g France.

 

[Netserk]

Armstrong would have won both 2006 and 2007 if he hadn't retired, I think. But it would have been insane without Puerto.