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Blood Sweat and Gears - CVV interview

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Has anyone seen the movie "Blood, Sweat and Gears" and seen the part where CVV highlights how Lance lied about CVV's Lactate levels.

In the movie there is an interview with CVV and he's talking about his early days at Postal. Just before one of the TdFs the Postal team, doctors and JB/LA are trying to figure out who should make the TdF team. They setup a 10Km Anaerobic/lactate test and tally up all of the riders levels. LA's was listed as the lowest (best) and the other's values ascended respectively.

As CVV explains in the movie his level was above LA's and so he thought I'll never beat or be in the same league as LA. I guess he thought at that point he'd be a domestique forever. Later when he was with CSC he learned that his Lactate (a reproducible value) was lower than reported at Postal. CVV confronted LA and the Doctors and they told him years later that Lance wanted to be the alpha team leader and 'doctored' the values to ensure that. CVV laughs on the video and actually compliments LA for his craftiness.

My question is: does CVV have a legal case that LA bullied or impaired his ability to achieve the success and monetary rewards by lying to CVV about his values? Maybe directly or indirectly, maybe LA/JB told other DSs that CVV doesn't have the biology to be a team leader when physiologically he's actually better positioned than LA a 7 times TdF winner. Or is this just another negative ethical scenario surrounding Lance?

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Yeah I saw that. very interesting. It kind of describes the type of person LA is. What else is a person who does that, capable of? It's a pretty big lie in my book, not craftiness. Just another example of LA's true colours. Wolf in sheeps clothing. Can't wait for him to go down in flames. Having to rebuild cycling will ultimately do it good.
 
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If his physiology was so awesome, why didn't he just win a GT his peak?

You don't actually understand much about bike racing, do you? It's not a 170 man, 3 week individual time trial... Your comment is the sort of thing I hear from triathletes?

If CVV didn't crash out of this year's Tour, where do you think Ryder H would have finished? Hint: it wouldn't be in the top 10.
 
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As CVV explains in the movie his level was above LA's and so he thought I'll never beat or be in the same league as LA. I guess he thought at that point he'd be a domestique forever. Later when he was with CSC he learned that his Lactate (a reproducible value) was lower than reported at Postal. CVV confronted LA and the Doctors and they told him years later that Lance wanted to be the alpha team leader and 'doctored' the values to ensure that. CVV laughs on the video and actually compliments LA for his craftiness.

My question is: does CVV have a legal case that LA bullied or impaired his ability to achieve the success and monetary rewards by lying to CVV about his values? Maybe directly or indirectly, maybe LA/JB told other DSs that CVV doesn't have the biology to be a team leader when physiologically he's actually better positioned than LA a 7 times TdF winner. Or is this just another negative ethical scenario surrounding Lance?

NW

Okay, that made me giggle. Legal action? Really? You mean CVV didn't know what his Lactate level was? Since it is, as you suggest, reproducible, I find it hard to believe CVV didn't know what his was. I like CVV, but I don't think it was some doubts about his Lactate levels that was keeping him down. Top 10 guy, but not a Tour winner.
 

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Okay, that made me giggle. Legal action? Really? You mean CVV didn't know what his Lactate level was? Since it is, as you suggest, reproducible, I find it hard to believe CVV didn't know what his was. I like CVV, but I don't think it was some doubts about his Lactate levels that was keeping him down. Top 10 guy, but not a Tour winner.

The legal action thing is a little silly.

It is just another anecdote that shows what a complete scumbag Pharmstrong is.

Regarding your last sentence. Pharmstrong isn't even a top 30 guy without PED's.
That's already been proven.
 
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Or is this just another negative ethical scenario surrounding Lance?


garbage collector = waste resource allocation specialist

public relations representative = spin doctor

negative ethical strategist = Lance Armstrong
 
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You don't actually understand much about bike racing, do you? It's not a 170 man, 3 week individual time trial... Your comment is the sort of thing I hear from triathletes?

If CVV didn't crash out of this year's Tour, where do you think Ryder H would have finished? Hint: it wouldn't be in the top 10.
You act like Christian was never a team leader himself. Hint: The domestique excuse is for wimps who don't know how to assert themselves as leaders. Let's face it, the mentally strong are more suitable to be champions with all other things being reasonably equal.
 
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You act like Christian was never a team leader himself. Hint: The domestique excuse is for wimps who don't know how to assert themselves as leaders. Let's face it, the mentally strong are more suitable to be champions with all other things being reasonably equal.

This is what we're dealing with here people. :rolleyes:
 

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You act like Christian was never a team leader himself. Hint: The domestique excuse is for wimps who don't know how to assert themselves as leaders. Let's face it, the mentally strong are more suitable to be champions with all other things being reasonably equal.

Never go full ***!

You've been toeing the line for a while now, but this is a major slip-up. Turn it down a notch if you want to appear authentic.
 
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Never go full ***!

You've been toeing the line for a while now, but this is a major slip-up. Turn it down a notch if you want to appear authentic.

That's funny. I forgot to notice you. Who are you and What exactly am I doing wrong here?
 
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This is what we're dealing with here people. :rolleyes:

So exactly how many chances does CVV need to actually showcase his abilities? It's one thing to read about how good he is, outside of palmares.
 

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That's funny. I forgot to notice you. Who are you and What exactly am I doing wrong here?

You cranked up the idiocy too high on that post. Keep it reasonable to avoid suspicion. We're all in this together!
 
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So exactly how many chances does CVV need to actually showcase his abilities? It's one thing to read about how good he is, outside of palmares.

"The domestique excuse is for wimps who don't know how to assert themselves as leaders."

That line....seriously, the ignorance is incredible.
 
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Digger said:
"The domestique excuse is for wimps who don't know how to assert themselves as leaders."

That line....seriously, the ignorance is incredible.

At some point, one rises above the position to domestique and asserts himself. You can't say the Postal franchise didn't give guys plenty of opportunity in several other races of the season.
 
"The domestique excuse is for wimps who don't know how to assert themselves as leaders."

That is really a stoopid statement, it takes more mental toughness to be a really good domestique than to be a team leader. The ability to slave away and bury yourself for someone elses benefit is something that some people (your buddy Lance for example) would not be able to achieve in a million years.
 
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That is really a stoopid statement, it takes more mental toughness to be a really good domestique than to be a team leader. The ability to slave away and bury yourself for someone elses benefit is something that some people (your buddy Lance for example) would not be able to achieve in a million years.
Sort of like..... LeMond? (lol, this is almost too easy)
 
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That is really a stoopid statement, it takes more mental toughness to be a really good domestique than to be a team leader. The ability to slave away and bury yourself for someone elses benefit is something that some people (your buddy Lance for example) would not be able to achieve in a million years.

No one rode for Levi in the Tour after LA failed. Kinda telling seeings how LA was team leader. It seemed to me Retirement Shack was every man for himself, thus Horners high placing.

Back to CVV, I read somewhere that he had a mental block about winning for himself and it wasn't until his high placing in the 2008 Tour that he had the confidence. Could this be from being a domestique for so many years? This is a serious question, I don't have the answer but don't really want to be called a *** for asking either.