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[just some guy]

Mod Edit: Thread split from a series of posts debating BMC v OPQS in the transfers thread


Andy Fenn from An post to QSOP -

all this talk of supper teams QSOP are coming the closest imo.

Good all year maybe missing a GT top 3 but will have top 10 and stage wins in the GT and Spring if Tom is on could be very very good.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Andy Fenn from An post to QSOP -

all this talk of supper teams QSOP are coming the closest imo.

Good all year maybe missing a GT top 3 but will have top 10 and stage wins in the GT and Spring if Tom is on could be very very good.

Say what???

Leipheimer, Velits x2, Martin, Ciolek, Chavanel, Boonen V Hushovd, Cadel, Gilbert, TJVG, Van Avermaet, Pinotti

 

[theyoungest]

Say what???

Leipheimer, Velits x2, Martin, Ciolek, Chavanel, Boonen V Hushovd, Cadel, Gilbert, TJVG, Van Avermaet, Pinotti

When you put it like that...

Boonen > Hushovd
Leipheimer > Pinotti
T. Martin > Van Garderen
Chavanel > Van Avermaet

We're left with Cadel and Gilbert. This season's most successful riders, but with the return of an on-form Contador and Valverde, they'll have a hard time repeating that.

 

[dlwssonic]

When you put it like that...

Boonen > Hushovd
Leipheimer > Pinotti
T. Martin > Van Garderen
Chavanel > Van Avermaet

We're left with Cadel and Gilbert. This season's most successful riders, but with the return of an on-form Contador and Valverde, they'll have a hard time repeating that.

Gilbert and Cadel>>All of OSPQ riders combined
Hasn't Contador been around all season, except after the tour as usual.

 

[ingsve]

When you put it like that...

Boonen > Hushovd
Leipheimer > Van Garderen
T. Martin > Pinotti
Chavanel > Van Avermaet

We're left with Cadel and Gilbert. This season's most successful riders, but with the return of an on-form Contador and Valverde, they'll have a hard time repeating that.

Fixed your post.

 

[theyoungest]

Fixed your post.

Yeah, that was a bit random. But either one of them is better than BMC's counterpart.

 

[El Pistolero]

When you put it like that...

Boonen > Hushovd
Leipheimer > Pinotti
T. Martin > Van Garderen
Chavanel > Van Avermaet

We're left with Cadel and Gilbert. This season's most successful riders, but with the return of an on-form Contador and Valverde, they'll have a hard time repeating that.

Hushovd > Boonen

I'm sorry, but it's true. BMC edges it, but only because they have real big winners in their team(Cuddles and Phil). If QSOPL signed Phil they'd really have a super team.

Contador still won't focus on the Ardennes next year and with his pollen allergy things can easily go wrong again next year. Valverde is overrated if people really think he's all of a sudden going to stop Phil from winning. As good as he is, he's never done accelerations like on the Cauberg, Mur de Huy, Saint Nicholas or the final hill on the Clasica. He's also 2 years older, no race days in his legs and probably more cautious with regards to doping. Phil probably won more one day races this year alone than Valverde in his entire career(or it's going to be very close).

 

[El Pistolero]

Boonen is past it. Hushovd was better in the classics this year. Boonen crashes in every race he enters.

 

[auscyclefan94]

errmm haven't you disliked them since they were created.

Precisely.

To be honest the anti-BMC started when certain people overrated the team and overrated them to ridiculous extents, hyping up riders with little cause. And that was when the team was weak. Now that they are finally growing into a broader all-round team (still quite lopsided really), words like super-team and such are being thrown around.

It is just one massive face-palm.

Never had a signature, I might dedicate one to bmc soon.

Ahh, so it is other peoples faults that you have an opinion about a team? Unbelievable...

When you put it like that...

Boonen > Hushovd
Leipheimer > Pinotti
T. Martin > Van Garderen
Chavanel > Van Avermaet

We're left with Cadel and Gilbert. This season's most successful riders, but with the return of an on-form Contador and Valverde, they'll have a hard time repeating that.

Van Avermaet > Chavanel - Depends what you look at. I'd say Greg is a better classics rider and Sylvain gets a lot of his results from breakaways.

Van Garderen can climb. Martin can't. Teejay is a far better all round rider. Van Garderen > Martin.

Leipheimer and Pinotti are completely different riders. I'd agree with you on Boonen and Hushovd. Velits bros? Give me a break... He'll need to a bit more before he proves himself and anyway, blind freddy can see Cadel is better than them.

Even then, you still forgot Cadel & Phil. Keep the hate coming.

 

[El Pistolero]

Precisely.

Ahh, so it is other peoples faults that you have an opinion about a team? Unbelievable...


Van Avermaet > Chavanel - Depends what you look at. I'd say Greg is a better classics rider and Sylvain gets a lot of his results from breakaways.

Van Garderen can climb. Martin can't. Teejay is a far better all round rider. Van Garderen > Martin.

Leipheimer and Pinotti are completely different riders. I'd agree with you on Boonen and Hushovd. Velits bros? Give me a break... He'll need to a bit more before he proves himself and anyway, blind freddy can see Cadel is better than them.

Even then, you still forgot Cadel & Phil. Keep the hate coming.

No way, Chavanel is way better than Van Avermaet. GVA is the one that got all his results this year from breakaways. Chavanel was second at the Ronde van Vlaanderen despite being in a breakaway that already got caught twice(by Cancellara and later the peloton).

 

[auscyclefan94]

No way, Chavanel is way better than Van Avermaet. GVA is the one that got all his results this year from breakaways. Chavanel was second at the Ronde van Vlaanderen despite being in a breakaway that already got caught twice(by Cancellara and later the peloton).

At the conclusion of the Ronde, the 3 who got away in the finale were not the strongest. Ballan & Gilbert were. Chavanel got his yellow jerseys from breakaways. Nothing wrong with that but he often gets results from breaks and not against the big boys. Greg often in the classics or the stages races dukes it out head to head with the other big riders.

 

[Praetor]

Boonen is past it. Hushovd was better in the classics this year. Boonen crashes in every race he enters.

No, he wasn't. Boonen got 4th in Flanders en won Gent-Wevelgem, which is, admittedly, a pretty crappy race, but still a classic win nonetheless.

Hushovd just got 8th in Roubaix and not even in a very flattering way. The WC hiding behind a teammate so he wouldn't have to do any work in his dream-race (which he seems to do every year, I can't remember a Paris-Roubaix with Hushovd giving everything he's got, no, always using tactics, which is why he'll never win it).

 

[theyoungest]

Van Avermaet > Chavanel - Depends what you look at. I'd say Greg is a better classics rider and Sylvain gets a lot of his results from breakaways.

What on earth makes GVA a better classics rider than Sylvain Chavanel?

Van Garderen can climb. Martin can't. Teejay is a far better all round rider. Van Garderen > Martin.

I consider both of them to be most suited to one week stage races, and I think we can all agree that Tony Martin is way ahead of Tejay in those.

Leipheimer and Pinotti are completely different riders.

Why? They're strong time trialists/climbers who focus on stage races. Leipheimer is just much better at them.

 

[hrotha]

At the conclusion of the Ronde, the 3 who got away in the finale were not the strongest. Ballan & Gilbert were. Chavanel got his yellow jerseys from breakaways. Nothing wrong with that but he often gets results from breaks and not against the big boys. Greg often in the classics or the stages races dukes it out head to head with the other big riders.

I love Greg, but when he dukes it out head to head with the other big riders and still comes out on top, that's generally a sign that it was a .1 or .HC race. The only exception I can think of is San Sebastian.

 

[auscyclefan94]

What on earth makes GVA a better classics rider than Sylvain Chavanel?


I consider both of them to be most suited to one week stage races, and I think we can all agree that Tony Martin is way ahead of Tejay in those.


Why? They're strong time trialists/climbers who focus on stage races. Leipheimer is just much better at them.

Pinotti is a time trial specialist. Don't give me the crap that he is a stage racer.
Tejay is 22 and I would still say that head to head he is better than Tony.

I'll give you Chavanel over GVA in cobbled classics. As a ardennes/hilly classics rider I'd still take GVA with his punchyness.

 

[auscyclefan94]

No, he wasn't. Boonen got 4th in Flanders en won Gent-Wevelgem, which is, admittedly, a pretty crappy race, but still a classic win nonetheless.

Hushovd just got 8th in Roubaix and not even in a very flattering way. The WC hiding behind a teammate so he wouldn't have to do any work in his dream-race (which he seems to do every year, I can't remember a Paris-Roubaix with Hushovd giving everything he's got, no, always using tactics, which is why he'll never win it).

was Boonen 4th best rider at RVV? No fricken way. Hushovd was 2nd best at PR this year. Doesn't mean he won or came 2nd.

 

[GJB123]

Tejay is 22 and I would still say that head to head he is better than Tony.

And you base that on what? Probably the fact that TvG will wearing BMC-colors next year. ROFL

Regards
GJ

 

[roundabout]

Pinotti is a time trial specialist. Don't give me the crap that he is a stage racer.
Tejay is 22 and I would still say that head to head he is better than Tony.

I'll give you Chavanel over GVA in cobbled classics. As a ardennes/hilly classics rider I'd still take GVA with his punchyness.

Pinotti has some very good stage race results. Especially in the last couple of years or so.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Pinotti is a time trial specialist. Don't give me the crap that he is a stage racer.
Tejay is 22 and I would still say that head to head he is better than Tony.

I'll give you Chavanel over GVA in cobbled classics. As a ardennes/hilly classics rider I'd still take GVA with his punchyness.

he did top ten giro last year

and gva better than chavanel?? chavanel getting all his results from breakways and gva not?? lol more the other way around.

my god could you be any more full of ****

thank you for making me a good laugh again

 

[theyoungest]

Pinotti is a time trial specialist. Don't give me the crap that he is a stage racer.

2011
Tour de Romandie: 4th.
Tirreno-Adriatico: 6th.

2010
Giro d'Italia: 9th.
Tour de Romandie: 7th.
Vuelta al Pais Vasco: 5th.

2008
Tour de Romandie: 3d.

Pretty decent results for someone who is not a stage racer

Tejay is 22 and I would still say that head to head he is better than Tony.

Ah come on, the guy who won Paris-Nice and got 2nd at Romandie, and who is currently the best time trialist in the world, is worse than the guy who won a TT in the Tour of Utah?

 

[auscyclefan94]

And you base that on what? Probably the fact that TvG will wearing BMC-colors next year. ROFL

Regards
GJ

See I find it funny that whenever I say a future BMC rider or current BMC rider is better than another rider you put it down to my bias towards BMC when there are plenty of other posters who have bias towards teams and riders yet they aren't picked up on their bias.

Tony Martin is basically another Cancellara who can climb a little bit.

Teejay's results include wins at Colorado, Utah, some podiums at Algarve and Dauphine in the general classifications. IN many of those and other races he developed a pedigree of a guy who can tt and climb with some stunning results even at the age of 21. Do you want to know why Tony Martin won Paris-Nice? I think you can work that out foryour self.

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[auscyclefan94]

2011
Tour de Romandie: 4th.
Tirreno-Adriatico: 6th.

2010
Giro d'Italia: 9th.
Tour de Romandie: 7th.
Vuelta al Pais Vasco: 5th.

2008
Tour de Romandie: 3d.

Pretty decent results for someone who is not a stage racer


Ah come on, the guy who won Paris-Nice and got 2nd at Romandie, and who is currently the best time trialist in the world, is worse than the guy who won a TT in the Tour of Utah?

A lot of those results were down to Time trial results. tirreno is just a classics rider stage race. Same with romandie. marco can climb but I still wouldn't call him a stage racer. Tony got 2nd at romandoe for guess what. A TIME TRIAL!!!!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

do you know why van garderen won colorado? I think you can work that yourself out

 

[theyoungest]

Tony Martin is basically another Cancellara who can climb a little bit.

So by your line of reasoning Tejay is also stronger than Cancellara? Wow, super team BMC indeed

do you know why van garderen won colorado? I think you can work that yourself out

He didn't even win it.

 

[auscyclefan94]

So by your line of reasoning Tejay is also stronger than Cancellara? Wow, super team BMC indeed


He didn't even win it.

way to miss a point...

TJVG winning colorado was a typo on my behalf.