Teams & Riders Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

[Bolder]

I am interested to see how Simon goes at Visma Lease A Bike. He is entering a very different environment where his race program will be different and he will need to go on team altitude camps, however, he will receive more overall support to help his performance.

Simon could use a change of scenery, and he may even, or should, get leadership at the Giro. Cian is hardly a lock at the moment and Jorgenson is not yet proven to be GC material.

 

[Gigs_98]

On one hand I love the anime storyline aspect of him joining the rival of his twin brothers team. But then I'm really not enjoying the "rich get richer" aspect which will probably be the much more relevant one.

 

[Brullnux]

I wish that teams stopped hoarding second tier GC riders

 

[shadowrider]

The aspect of the brotherly struggle/fight, each brother in one of the two current top teams, is of course interesting.

But it remains a shame that almost all the good sub-toppers are taken away from the "normal" teams in order to strengthen the already monstrously strong UAE and VLAB teams. To a slightly lesser extent the Bora and Ineos teams. It is becoming increasingly difficult for the regular decent teams (Soudal-Quickstep, Movistar, Lotto, Uno X, a few promising French teams) to compete. Just outnumbered in champions, superdomestiques and power.

 

[Brullnux]

The aspect of the brotherly struggle/fight, each brother in one of the two current top teams, is of course interesting.

But it remains a shame that almost all the good sub-toppers are taken away from the "normal" teams in order to strengthen the already monstrously strong UAE and VLAB teams. To a slightly lesser extent the Bora and Ineos teams. It is becoming increasingly difficult for the regular decent teams (Soudal-Quickstep, Movistar, Lotto, Uno X, a few promising French teams) to compete. Just outnumbered in champions, superdomestiques and power.

I don't think Bora are doing it to a lesser extent, Hindley is a GT winner and isn't even Roglic's main domestique.

At least Ineos just have three GT podium pretenders (Thomas, Rodriguez, Bernal), all at a similar level. One per race, if needed. None are being used mainly as luxury domestiques for the other.

 

[Juan Pelota]

What has Simon been doing since Romandie? Very light schedule so far. Hard to know what kind of form he is on, and if he can do another top 5.

 

[Strawberry_Jams]

What has Simon been doing since Romandie? Very light schedule so far. Hard to know what kind of form he is on, and if he can do another top 5.

worked last year.

 

[Wyndbrook]

What has Simon been doing since Romandie? Very light schedule so far. Hard to know what kind of form he is on, and if he can do another top 5.

Signing a contract for more money, learning Dutch perhaps.

 

[Juan Pelota]

worked last year.

Touche.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Shocking images emerging tonight from stage 13 of Adam Yates heroically resisting attempts to physically wrestle him out of the breakaway.

 

[jmdirt]

Congrats AY! TAKE some time! I love it!

 

[Lequack]

'I took a pay cut to go to Visma-Lease a Bike' - Simon Yates ensures no regrets with transfer to super team

'I took a pay cut to go to Visma-Lease a Bike' - Simon Yates ensures no regrets with transfer to super team

Brit to have 'open role' at Dutch outfit but happy to work for others at new team as he leaves Jayco-AlUla after 11 years

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

It's not a pay cut compared to being out of contract, and he doesn't say that they offered him renewal on the same or improved terms...

 

[yaco]

It's not a pay cut compared to being out of contract, and he doesn't say that they offered him renewal on the same or improved terms...

I can assure you that Yates has taken a pay cut. His wage at Jayco was around 2 million.

 

[Rob5091]

So Adam helps Pogi and Simon helps Vingegaard. 2025 could be the Summer of "brotherly aid".

 

[Netserk]

I can assure you that Yates has taken a pay cut. His wage at Jayco was around 2 million.

For his previous contract, but AC alluded to what his alternative was for next year. It's only a real pay-cut to sign for Visma if their offer was lower than another offer.

 

[Bolder]

'I took a pay cut to go to Visma-Lease a Bike' - Simon Yates ensures no regrets with transfer to super team

'I took a pay cut to go to Visma-Lease a Bike' - Simon Yates ensures no regrets with transfer to super team

Brit to have 'open role' at Dutch outfit but happy to work for others at new team as he leaves Jayco-AlUla after 11 years

www.cyclingnews.com

He could very well be their GC guy for Giro or Vuelta, too.

 

[yaco]

For his previous contract, but AC alluded to what his alternative was for next year. It's only a real pay-cut to sign for Visma if their offer was lower than another offer.

Jayco expected Yates to stay and were happy to offer him a commensurate wage to his last contract. Yates could have received more money in his last two contracts if he had left Jayco. AC can allude as much as they want, but there is no reason to doubt Yates version of events. After all, it is common for riders to seek fresh opportunities at a lower wage. For example,Jorgenson publically stated he accepted a lower wage to join Visma.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Yates had interest from Tudor and Israel, who I assume were offering more than Visma would given Froome will be off the books at the end of next year.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Simon Yates said in January that he never got a superteam offer when questioned about Adam at UAE.

The implication was that he would definitely take an offer and it didn't give the best impression of jayco

 

[Sciatic]

Simon Yates said in January that he never got a superteam offer when questioned about Adam at UAE.

The implication was that he would definitely take an offer and it didn't give the best impression of jayco

He has said other things too . . . Some of which came back to haunt him

 

[Hugh Januss]

Simon could use a change of scenery, and he may even, or should, get leadership at the Giro. Cian is hardly a lock at the moment and Jorgenson is not yet proven to be GC material.

I feel like Jorgenson is closer than Cian. 8th in the TDF while riding in support of eventual 2nd place teammate is more impressive than 8th in the Vuelta after a back and forth battle with a teammate. Also Jorgenson can time trial.

 

[yaco]

I am interested in whether Simon will ride the World's. He's not stellar at one-day races, however, the parcours is reasonably suitable for his characteristics.