CCN relevations !

[skippy]

Comments on this , please !

http://www.changecyclingnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CCN_Press_Release_300113.pdf

 

[will10]

Concerning but unfortunately, not surprising.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Comments on this , please !

http://www.changecyclingnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CCN_Press_Release_300113.pdf

The EPO and Blood doping generation rides on...........

Hein heads UCI's anti doping task force. Indeed.

 

[roundabout]

what exactly does "old" riders mean?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The press release says the minutes are available from the CCN website, but I cannot see them or a link to them.

I am glad Vroomen has received some level of vindication at least.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

what exactly does "old" riders mean?

The ones that already passed enough IQ tests that testing them again is pointless.

vs neo pros.

 

[roundabout]

Minutes

http://www.changecyclingnow.org/wp-...ing_Anti-Doping_Foundation_Minutes_180610.pdf

In French though

 

[arjanh]

Anti-doping obviously has no priority at the UCI. But what else it new?

 

[sniper]

Rest assured.
The gaps in the testing only concern the older riders!
That should conclusively clear the 2012 tour winner of any suspicion.

 

[sniper]

compare this message with Benson's fluffy opinion piece.

But McQuaid is at least right in language if not sentiment when he says: "This is about doing what is right for cycling. This is not the time for showmanship, or political point scoring."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/comment-why-no-one-will-win-cyclings-war-of-words

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Anti-doping obviously has no priority at the UCI. But what else it new?

well it does. Hein just wants to make sure its directed at specific riders at his discretion. Then he instructs his puppet, Phat, to issue a couple of press releases.

 

[Mellow Velo]

what exactly does "old" riders mean?

Young RadioShack riders?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

compare this message with Benson's fluffy opinion piece.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/comment-why-no-one-will-win-cyclings-war-of-words

Benson's fluffy opinion piece needs to open itself up for comments - coz it's begging for some.

 

[meat puppet]

Nice contrast between them two stories, yes.

Benson's piece read like your standard politician's / political pundit's attempt to provide a "balanced" view. You know, matters are a little bit more complicated than you thought, but there is absolutely no reason to discuss any details. Or anything else, actually. Just trust us, and we'll put this dreadful thing behind us.

Apart from obfuscating things in general, the point seems to be that the ones who cooked up the mess in the first place acted with the best of intentions and there is no need to single anyone out. You know, we are all involved with cycling one way or another. Aren't we all really victims?

Also, please don't kill the cashcow.

 

[skippy]

My Letter to Brian Cookson !

" Attn Brian Cookson

ONCE AGAIN " UCI " , are in the news for ALL THE WRONG REASONS !

Cycling Fans are tired of the " Aigle Tag team " dragging the Sport through the MUD !

Only Brian Cookson and Delegates of his Status at UCI , have the ABILITY to Act !

Should phat & heinous , still be in a position to influence , UCI Policy , after FRIDAY , it will be , because DELEGATES , lack the will to ACT !

Sports People from ALL Sports are saddened by the " Independent Commission " being treated with such Cavalier Disdain ! The Panel was advertised as " Independent " , but it was seen Last Friday to have been " Handcuffed , Mugged and Sandbagged !

Where was the necessity for a GBP1500/hour QC & 6 Lawyers to represent the UCI at a Procedural Hearing of a Commission that was created by the UCI ?

Have the UCI Auditors been called in to discover the " Additional Expenses , created by Pat Mc Quaid's , inability to say what he told the QC , to say ?

Nobody at present , has a bad thing to say about Brian Cookson , HOWEVER , the Minutes published , will tell the World , what IF ANYTHING , he did to remove the Aigle Tag Team from office !

This letter will be published to a variety of sources , so that other Cycling Fans , can approach their Delegates , and remind them , that their ALLEGIANCE is to the Members , not to the aigle tag team !

These items surfaced today and reflects , how badly , UCI , attempts to deceive their members :

http://www.changecyclingnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CCN_Press_Release_300113.pdf

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENe...rTextList=&CharFromList=&CharToList=&LangId=1

There are more !

Turtur of Oceania , has GONE !

Lund of Denmark , has GONE !

How many more , must GO , before the Aigle tag team are sent packing ?

Your decision to preserve the " Status Quo ", will see a CHANGE at British Cycling !

Sincerely

Skippy Mc Carthy

Suggest ALL CLINIC Members write their UCI Delegate , put them on NOTICE that they are accountable !

Still not seen a clinic member , sign onto a petition , so doubt the ability of the Clinic to be the " force for change " it imagines itself !

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Just shows cycling is so much cleaner now, hell, since 2008 we might say. They do not need to test, they just know the boys do not drug.

 

[sniper]

Benson's fluffy opinion piece needs to open itself up for comments - coz it's begging for some.

Nice contrast between them two stories, yes.

Benson's piece read like your standard politician's / political pundit's attempt to provide a "balanced" view. You know, matters are a little bit more complicated than you thought, but there is absolutely no reason to discuss any details. Or anything else, actually. Just trust us, and we'll put this dreadful thing behind us.

Apart from obfuscating things in general, the point seems to be that the ones who cooked up the mess in the first place acted with the best of intentions and there is no need to single anyone out. You know, we are all involved with cycling one way or another. Aren't we all really victims?

Also, please don't kill the cashcow.

It's an absolute puff piece by Benson.

"Each press release has been more farcical and ambivalent than the last, with only the Independent Commission coming out of the situation with any credibility"

It's almost impossible to pinpoint where this mess began

With such statements in a free-to-speak-up commentary article, it looks to me Daniel lacks either the class or the courage to call out the UCI, or both.

By the way, Daniel, the gentleman's name is Jamie Fuller.

and even a lobby organisation led by a gentleman who makes compression kit has released statements on the state of cycling's doping problems.

 

[coinneach]

My Letter to Brian Cookson !

" Attn Brian Cookson


Suggest ALL CLINIC Members write their UCI Delegate , put them on NOTICE that they are accountable !

Still not seen a clinic member , sign onto a petition , so doubt the ability of the Clinic to be the " force for change " it imagines itself !

Thanks Skippy....I'm not a great believer in on'line petitions, but I;ve written to Cookson too.....I think Friday is his Hamlet moment: if he doesn't act now, he'll regret it for the rest of hislife (and will loose all credability in my eyes)

 

[orbeas]

Cookson

My Letter to Brian Cookson !

" Attn Brian Cookson

ONCE AGAIN " UCI " , are in the news for ALL THE WRONG REASONS !

Cycling Fans are tired of the " Aigle Tag team " dragging the Sport through the MUD !

Only Brian Cookson and Delegates of his Status at UCI , have the ABILITY to Act !

Should phat & heinous , still be in a position to influence , UCI Policy , after FRIDAY , it will be , because DELEGATES , lack the will to ACT !

Sports People from ALL Sports are saddened by the " Independent Commission " being treated with such Cavalier Disdain ! The Panel was advertised as " Independent " , but it was seen Last Friday to have been " Handcuffed , Mugged and Sandbagged !

Where was the necessity for a GBP1500/hour QC & 6 Lawyers to represent the UCI at a Procedural Hearing of a Commission that was created by the UCI ?

Have the UCI Auditors been called in to discover the " Additional Expenses , created by Pat Mc Quaid's , inability to say what he told the QC , to say ?

Nobody at present , has a bad thing to say about Brian Cookson , HOWEVER , the Minutes published , will tell the World , what IF ANYTHING , he did to remove the Aigle Tag Team from office !

This letter will be published to a variety of sources , so that other Cycling Fans , can approach their Delegates , and remind them , that their ALLEGIANCE is to the Members , not to the aigle tag team !

These items surfaced today and reflects , how badly , UCI , attempts to deceive their members :

http://www.changecyclingnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CCN_Press_Release_300113.pdf

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENe...rTextList=&CharFromList=&CharToList=&LangId=1

There are more !

Turtur of Oceania , has GONE !

Lund of Denmark , has GONE !

How many more , must GO , before the Aigle tag team are sent packing ?

Your decision to preserve the " Status Quo ", will see a CHANGE at British Cycling !

Sincerely

Skippy Mc Carthy

Suggest ALL CLINIC Members write their UCI Delegate , put them on NOTICE that they are accountable !

Still not seen a clinic member , sign onto a petition , so doubt the ability of the Clinic to be the " force for change " it imagines itself !

Nice one Skippy, but Cookson is a great fan of Fat Pat and a member of the olde boys club so will not 'spit in the soup ' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Benotti69]

Benson taking potshots at Kimmage and Tygart is a joke. Where is he calling out todays dopers? Where is he investigating Leinders year long stint at Sky?

****ing Joke Benson.

The reason the sport is in the toilet can be levelled at Aigle's doorstep. They had nemerous scandals with which to beat the riders, DS, teams and doctors into making doping a minority few in thesport and getting caught meant waiting a long time for a licence renewal, but no they used all the scandals to weep it under the carpet and in the case of Armstrong, cash in.

Benson wanna go after anyone, it is McQuaid and McQuaid only.

Time to do a big piece about the flip flopping that McQuaid has done since being president. Why not call McQuaid out on his stances constantly changing at every new piece of evidence come to light.

If Benson did a good piece it might get picked up intrnationally.

Get your finger out, now is the time to write the piece about the end game of McQuaid as he tries to hold on to power till re electin and then get a massive payoff to standdown.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Benson taking potshots at Kimmage and Tygart is a joke. Where is he calling out todays dopers? Where is he investigating Leinders year long stint at Sky?

****ing Joke Benson.

The reason the sport is in the toilet can be levelled at Aigle's doorstep. They had nemerous scandals with which to beat the riders, DS, teams and doctors into making doping a minority few in thesport and getting caught meant waiting a long time for a licence renewal, but no they used all the scandals to weep it under the carpet and in the case of Armstrong, cash in.

Benson wanna go after anyone, it is McQuaid and McQuaid only.

Time to do a big piece about the flip flopping that McQuaid has done since being president. Why not call McQuaid out on his stances constantly changing at every new piece of evidence come to light.

If Benson did a good piece it might get picked up intrnationally.

Get your finger out, now is the time to write the piece about the end game of McQuaid as he tries to hold on to power till re electin and then get a massive payoff to standdown.

In Bensons piece he does address that, quite clearly - although it is obviously more convenient for you to ignore it:

Now the cat's out of the bag. In Aigle, Pat McQuaid has surrounded himself with a new cadre of advisers charged with whispering wisdom to a crumbling leader. Enrico Carpani, who has worked hard as the UCI communications liaison for over a decade has been outmanoeuvred and is set to leave.

Those filling his shoes are the same individuals who persuaded McQuaid into his recent blind fit of ignorance to disband the Independent Commission and enter into a public war of words with WADA. And all along Hein Verbruggen is still active, having been at the UCI headquarters as recently as last week. Word has it, he prefers to sneak through the back door rather than enter through the front lobby.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Young RadioShack riders?

Hmm...Horner was one that popped into my mind...

 

[sniper]

In Bensons piece he does address that, quite clearly - although it is obviously more convenient for you to ignore it:

come on. it's a weak piece by Benson.
Not well written, and incoherent. Look what you just quoted and compare it with statements like these:

"Each press release has been more farcical and ambivalent than the last, with only the Independent Commission coming out of the situation with any credibility"

That statement implies that WADA and USADA have no credibility.

And:

"It's almost impossible to pinpoint where this mess began"

that's not exactly calling out the UCI.

and he then goes on to give McQuaid credit by quoting him:

But McQuaid is at least right in language if not sentiment when he says: "This is about doing what is right for cycling. This is not the time for showmanship, or political point scoring."

He either shouldn't quote McQuaid there, or quote him and point out the hypocricy behind it.

I agree that two or three paragraphs in that piece are worth reading, but as a whole the piece is inconsistent and (imo) not straightforward enough in pinpointing where the real problem lies.

Plus, his way of bringing Fuller into the equation is not very respectful.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

come on. it's a weak piece by Benson.
Not well written, and incoherent. Look what you just quoted and compare it with statements like these:
That statement implies that WADA and USADA have no credibility.

It would only when you ignore the context - DB was specific about the correspondence of the last 48 hours, (which has nothing to do with USADA)

And:

that's not exactly calling out the UCI.

and he then goes on to give McQuaid credit by quoting him:
He either shouldn't quote McQuaid there, or quote him and point out the hypocricy behind it.

I agree that two or three paragraphs in that piece are worth reading, but as a whole the piece is inconsistent and (imo) not straightforward enough in pinpointing where the real problem lies.

Plus, his way of bringing Fuller into the equation is not very respectful.

In the McQuaid quote DB says: "But McQuaid is at least right in language if not sentiment..." So he pointed out the hypocrisy.

If you want to discuss his piece take it any one of the 'media' threads - this is meant to be a thread about the UCI incompetence (yet again) and showing the Bio Passport is a fig leaf.

 

[skippy]

Just finished reading this item :

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-exclusive-interview

Seems clear that the decision of phat to reduce testing , had a lot to do with avoiding " Testing Lance related teams " !

So first we have a " Confessed Doper " , claiming that he was not using on his return in 2009 , then we have " Leaked Documents " demonstrating that he had little chance of being " tested "!

Any Manufacturer that tried to sell their Products to the public , with this approach , would find themselves , subject to Criminal Investigation !

When is Paul Kimmage's Lawyer , going to get a reply from the Swiss Authorities ? Wouldn't it be great news , if phat & heinous were detained in Switzerland on Friday ?