Christopher Columbus's True Origin

[Netserk]

La investigación liderada por el catedrático de la UGR José Antonio Lorente apunta al origen judío sefardí de Colón | Ideal

El trabajo que ha comandado el catedrático de Medicina Legal y Forense ha dado a conocer las conclusiones de un estudio que se inició hace 20 años y que indica que viene

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https://www.reuters.com/science/columbus-was-sephardic-jew-western-europe-study-finds-2024-10-13/

His DNA indicates Spanish ancestry, and that he was a Sephardic Jew.

How are Italians taking this??? @Eshnar @Extinction @Mayomaniac @Ilmaestro99 @SafeBet @pastronef

 

[Extinction]

La investigación liderada por el catedrático de la UGR José Antonio Lorente apunta al origen judío sefardí de Colón | Ideal

El trabajo que ha comandado el catedrático de Medicina Legal y Forense ha dado a conocer las conclusiones de un estudio que se inició hace 20 años y que indica que viene

www.ideal.es

https://www.reuters.com/science/columbus-was-sephardic-jew-western-europe-study-finds-2024-10-13/

His DNA indicates Spanish ancestry, and that he was a Sephardic Jew.

How are Italians taking this??? @Eshnar @Extinction @Mayomaniac @Ilmaestro99 @SafeBet @pastronef

The Italians don't doubt he was from the Republic of Genoa. The Venetian painter Sebastiano del Piombo in 1519 made a posthumous portrait of Columbus, which suggests this belief goes back to a very early date. One would thus have to ask, did the Italians have no idea in the Renaissance itself regarding Columbus' origins?

 

[Eshnar]

La investigación liderada por el catedrático de la UGR José Antonio Lorente apunta al origen judío sefardí de Colón | Ideal

El trabajo que ha comandado el catedrático de Medicina Legal y Forense ha dado a conocer las conclusiones de un estudio que se inició hace 20 años y que indica que viene

www.ideal.es

https://www.reuters.com/science/columbus-was-sephardic-jew-western-europe-study-finds-2024-10-13/

His DNA indicates Spanish ancestry, and that he was a Sephardic Jew.

How are Italians taking this??? @Eshnar @Extinction @Mayomaniac @Ilmaestro99 @SafeBet @pastronef

I didn't see this analysis so I can't tell, but I do know there are quite a few of documents of the time (allegedly) that say Columbus was from Genoa (or to be more precise from Savona).
Every few years the Spaniards try to claim Columbus with some new study. I would be more inclined to believe them if the claim came from a "neutral" source.
Either way, being the homeland of Columbus is not something to be much proud of, nowadays.

 

[Extinction]

At any rate, the study clearly is not grounded in historical fact, for Columbus in 1501-1502 wrote the El Libro de las Profecías (Book of Profecies) in which he states in apocalyptic terms that Christianity must spread throughout the world. Therefore, he clearly was a Christian, not Jewish.

 

[RedheadDane]

At any rate, the study clearly is not grounded in historical fact, for Columbus in 1501-1502 wrote the El Libro de las Profecías (Book of Profecies) in which he states in apocalyptic terms that Christianity must spread throughout the world. Therefore, he clearly was a Christian, not Jewish.

I suppose he could have been of Jewish descent but converted to Christianity.

Not necessarily 100% voluntarily

 

[Extinction]

I suppose he could have been of Jewish descent but converted to Christianity.

Not necessarily 100% voluntarily

This, too, is possible, but I think unlikely since such a noteworthy conversion would have entered the historical record. There were some converted Jews who taught humanists like Pico della Mirandola, Marsilio Ficino and Egidio da Viterbo Hebrew, but these cases are recorded.

 

[hrotha]

The investigation is based on a DNA analysis, of course they aren't saying anything about the guy ever following Judaism. They're talking about his ethnic background and saying that he was of Sephardi origin, nothing more

Note however that this documentary is facing quite a bit of backlash in Spain from historians and geneticists who question its methodology and conclusions as well as the reporting on it. Every Spanish historian I've read on the matter seems to be saying that nothing in their investigation actually refutes what still looks like the most likely theory - that he was Genoese

 

[Red Rick]

Rick meanwhile having missed the original memo that Columbus was Italian

 

[Extinction]

The investigation is based on a DNA analysis, of course they aren't saying anything about the guy ever following Judaism. They're talking about his ethnic background and saying that he was of Sephardi origin, nothing more

Note however that this documentary is facing quite a bit of backlash in Spain from historians and geneticists who question its methodology and conclusions as well as the reporting on it. Every Spanish historian I've read on the matter seems to be saying that nothing in their investigation actually refutes what still looks like the most likely theory - that he was Genoese

And then there is the problem of if the bones are those of Columbus at all.

 

[BullsFan22]

Clearly named after Columbus, Ohio…

 

[Netserk]

The investigation is based on a DNA analysis, of course they aren't saying anything about the guy ever following Judaism. They're talking about his ethnic background and saying that he was of Sephardi origin, nothing more

Note however that this documentary is facing quite a bit of backlash in Spain from historians and geneticists who question its methodology and conclusions as well as the reporting on it. Every Spanish historian I've read on the matter seems to be saying that nothing in their investigation actually refutes what still looks like the most likely theory - that he was Genoese

Yeah, the reactions I've read since have been quite sceptical. Especially of the team not publishing their data.

 

[Eshnar]

Rick meanwhile having missed the original memo that Columbus was Italian

I'm curious now, where did you think he came from?

 

[Extinction]

Its something I just never thought about. Pretty sure I have come acropss that information and just forgotten about it.

If youd ask me and I didnt sound like a trick question and I didnt think id probably guess Spanish

The Italians believed he came from Liguria from very early date, as is testified by this posthumas portrait by the Venetian painter Sebastiano del Piombo made in Rome in 1519, possibly at the behest of Columbus' son, who visited the Eternal City in 1516-17.

Sebastiano del Piombo (Sebastiano Luciani) | Portrait of a Man, Said to be Christopher Columbus (born about 1446, died 1506) | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

<strong>Inscription:</strong> Signed, dated, and inscribed: (center right) SEBASTIANVS / VENETVS FACIT; (across top) HÆC.EST.EFFIGIES.LIGVRIS.MIRANDA.COLVMBI.ANTIPODVM.PRIMVS / RATE.QVI.PENETRAVIT.IN.ORBEM. 1519 (This is the admirable portrait of the Ligurian Columbus, the first to enter by ship...

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Haec est efigies miranda liguries cristofori antipodum primus rate qui penetravit in orbem. Sebastianus Venetus facit. (This is a portrait of the admirable Ligurian Columbus, the first considered to have arrived at the other end of the earth. The Venetian Sebastiano made this. )

 

[RedheadDane]

If youd ask me and I didnt sound like a trick question and I didnt think id probably guess Spanish

Awww... I don't think you sound like a trick question.

 

[hrotha]

Awww... I don't think you sound like a trick question.

More like a Rick Qu-

Ok no I can't do this

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Isn't this heritage DNA thing, linking it to certain ethnic groups, a bit of pseudoscience anyway?

I remember coming across multiple articles that at least argued this for the professional "heritage DNA" things on offer for the public.

 

[Netserk]

No, it is quite solid. The result here is down to how good a sample they can obtain of Columbus's DNA. With a sample as good as from a living person, it'd be no problem to tell whether he had Sephardic Jewish ancestry or Italian ancestry.

 

[E_F_]

I'll just stick this here. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4301023/

 

[E_F_]

I remember coming across multiple articles that at least argued this for the professional "heritage DNA" things on offer for the public.

Those things (such as my24 or whatever it's called) are absolute garbage. I believe they just compare to the other samples they have, and that's it. Means nothing. Of course proper DNA analysis can tell you something, but saying that an Italian has Sephardi genetics sounds completely ridiculous. Did they expect him to have blue eyes, or what?

 

[Izzyeviel]

Clearly named after Columbus, Ohio…

Amazing they named a town after a football team.

 

[Unchained]

Those things (such as my24 or whatever it's called) are absolute garbage. I believe they just compare to the other samples they have, and that's it. Means nothing. Of course proper DNA analysis can tell you something, but saying that an Italian has Sephardi genetics sounds completely ridiculous. Did they expect him to have blue eyes, or what?

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMUj1_SL5_E&pp=ygUHMjNhbmRtZQ%3D%3D

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I like the teory that Colombus really was Portuguese better.