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Teams & Riders Cian Uijtdebroeks - From the wetlands to the top of cycling

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Look we can discuss about the definition of racism, you know exactly what I mean. I actually agree with you, I don't think "racism" is the best term to describe it (but I don't which one is), but you can't deny that certain comments here about Belgians in general are just... well wrong?

Say things about Logic or other Remco and Uijtdebroecks fanboys (As a Belgian myself I've had my fair share of discussions with them about it) all you want, but if this thread is just gonna turn into hating on everything that's Belgian it isn't any better than it was.
You can call it bigotry.
 
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I can't comment on whether logic deserve a ban or not since I didn't see the posts, but it's quite funny to see somebody who was so reluctant to post for months in fear of getting banned again, descend so quickly into their previous habits.

Constantly derailing discussions into pedantic arguments over small points that really nobody cares about, and being unnecessarily confrontational and aggressive. Forcing people to skip pages of a thread they are reading through at a time because of the endlessly repetitive argumental tactics. It's so boring.

We all come here to have fun and joke around, to enjoy discussing the sport we love, to read different perspectives, i doubt it's a serious pastime for any of us. I never enjoyed threads where logic was posting.

We all follow certain riders and want them to succeed, we all have certain biases (apart from me, as the forum's objective poster).

But constantly claiming riders as superior, and looking to their achievements as a way to show yourself as superior, for being a fan of a 'more successful' rider, as if their achievements are yours, is a trait that logic and some others have and it's getting really annoying. It's like being the worst kind of football fan.

Having said all this, I would never want to see people banned because their viewspoints on cycling are different to my own.
 
I can't comment on whether logic deserve a ban or not since I didn't see the posts, but it's quite funny to see somebody who was so reluctant to post for months in fear of getting banned again, descend so quickly into their previous habits.

Constantly derailing discussions into pedantic arguments over small points that really nobody cares about, and being unnecessarily confrontational and aggressive. Forcing people to skip pages of a thread they are reading through at a time because of the endlessly repetitive argumental tactics. It's so boring.

We all come here to have fun and joke around, to enjoy discussing the sport we love, to read different perspectives, i doubt it's a serious pastime for any of us. I never enjoyed threads where logic was posting.

We all follow certain riders and want them to succeed, we all have certain biases (apart from me, as the forum's objective poster).

But constantly claiming riders as superior, and looking to their achievements as a way to show yourself as superior, for being a fan of a 'more successful' rider, as if their achievements are yours, is a trait that logic and some others have and it's getting really annoying. It's like being the worst kind of football fan.

Having said all this, I would never want to see people banned because their viewspoints on cycling are different to my own.

This can't be written by the real llmaestro99, who is this imposter???
 
I can't comment on whether logic deserve a ban or not since I didn't see the posts, but it's quite funny to see somebody who was so reluctant to post for months in fear of getting banned again, descend so quickly into their previous habits.

Constantly derailing discussions into pedantic arguments over small points that really nobody cares about, and being unnecessarily confrontational and aggressive. Forcing people to skip pages of a thread they are reading through at a time because of the endlessly repetitive argumental tactics. It's so boring.

We all come here to have fun and joke around, to enjoy discussing the sport we love, to read different perspectives, i doubt it's a serious pastime for any of us. I never enjoyed threads where logic was posting.

We all follow certain riders and want them to succeed, we all have certain biases (apart from me, as the forum's objective poster).

But constantly claiming riders as superior, and looking to their achievements as a way to show yourself as superior, for being a fan of a 'more successful' rider, as if their achievements are yours, is a trait that logic and some others have and it's getting really annoying. It's like being the worst kind of football fan.

Having said all this, I would never want to see people banned because their viewspoints on cycling are different to my own.
What a post. Well said.
 
Yep. It's all the same with you two and couple other belgium fans. It would be fantastic if you would be able to move your goalpost just a bit and allow others to have an opinion without belittle them all the time and scream belgium agenda all over the place. Logic was not capable of that and him getting banned all the time proves that. I'm sorry you lost your hero. Now go back to the topic.
There is mo Belgian agenda. Think about what you're saying: move the goalposts". That's crazy man. The goalposts are perfect...let the goalkeeper, improve. With all due respect, you sound a bit paranoid.
 
Logic is innocent, his only crime was that he is a passionate fan. I will never understand why the mods/admins are so ban happy, and towards core members of this community, it's just crazy.
Because when a few posters indulge is such futile never-ending discussion an internet forum becomes borderline unreadable and most other posters / lurkers stop using it.
 
Well the alternative is that the community withers away because no one wants to post anything controversial.
On my own behalf, I can say that I don't shy away from disagreements or contested topics, yet I've managed to play within the lines of this field to a degree that has meant my last sanction (including personal warnings) was more than 2½ years ago (not counting an overturned ban). You come a long way if you refrain from personal attacks on other posters.
 
On my own behalf, I can say that I don't shy away from disagreements or contested topics, yet I've managed to play within the lines of this field to a degree that has meant my last sanction (including personal warnings) was more than 2½ years ago (not counting an overturned ban). You come a long way if you refrain from personal attacks on other posters.
Pat yourself on the back.
 
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Do you think that cyclingnews using a picture of Cian as the banner image for an article on ridiculous looking TT helmets qualifies as harassment?
I had the same idea. And Cian appears in the Bora outfit, which is even more questionable. Either way, I think the kid already has a career as a prima-donna firestarter. If he doesn't walk the talk soon he will slide into oblivion.
 
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And no law privileges a rider with the right to ride UCI races. If he doesn't follow the rules, UCI are free to deny him the right to race.
Actually not; there have been court cases (example the Bosman-arrest) where sport organisation got obliged to allow sporters to practice their job dispite the sportorgansiations rules. Reasoning is that you cannot deny a person to do his job (which takes priority of possible 'sport rules'). So it doesn't automatically follow that UCI can just deny someone to race. The complexity is of course that a sporter might have to go to court which can take until he reaches retirement age....
In practice for cycling discussion cases have been handled outside of court so there is little jurisdiction - where I believe UCI is helping to handle these cases outside of court so they don't have to change their rules.

Example of rules from sport organisation's that got overruled by courts;
- a minimum of team members of certain country
- end of contract payments between teams
- sporters can terminate their contract like other workers
 
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